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Blue Jays Discussion: 2024-25 Off-season: The free agent watch begins (and sometimes old baseball radio broadcasts)

Hellcat

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stickty111 said:
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Since we just like this stuff.
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I thought we were just going to grow from within?

Less than a 0% chance he comes here.. . if this was the late 80's when the Jays were considered the pinnacle of MLB with the Dominican players, I'd think we have the best chance but those days are gone and now we are just the leverage point for rich teams/agents to use, to get the most bang for their buck / best free agent for their client/team.

Rumors are he is looking for Othani-lite type numbers, this team needs catching, 3B, 2B, RF, CF (no Varsho is not the answer, maybe Loperfido becomes that guy but he is not there now, might be a better LF? Loperfido and Varsho have the same problem, they can't hit for shit), complete overhaul of the bull pen, a lead off guy (no Springer is no longer that guy) and a legit 1A starting pitcher. With so much to do, does it make sense to burry all that cash into a 3/4 hitter when we already have inconsistent Vlad, he's like a Leap year, once every 4 years he shows up? I'd rather see them invest in pitching, starting and bull pen, and a more balanced line up. I've never agreed with one player making a disproportionate amount into one player, I get that he is an elite elite hitter but you are one serious injury away from a lost season.
 
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This drama sucks, but I guess some people like it during the slow MLB off season which is fine. I just need to know who he signs with, the rest is just noise at the end of the day. Hopefully we get to that day when he actually signs with someone fairly soon.
 

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this team needs catching, 3B, 2B, RF, CF
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Uh... no.

They need a decent backup for Kirk. I'm not convinced Heineman is the answer, but it's not a priority since they have a very good starter.

Varsho is the best defensive OF in baseball and was a league average hitter last year. He absolutely is the answer in CF.

They have the pieces to cobble together a strong 3B/2B with some combination of Clement, Horwitz, Schneider and maybe a bit of Vlad at 3B. Addressing one of those positions would be nice, but they absolutely don't need both.

They have options, but corner OF is probably the biggest concern with Springer's decline and Schneider's regression.

What they really need is at least one middle-of-the-order bat and probably a second strong offensive upgrade. They have enough versatility on the roster that position should be secondary.
 
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Would we want Blake Snell? I feel like the Jays should get one of Burnes, Snell, or Fried.
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No

If he signs a 1 year deal, I would, but the only 1 year deal he would go for is a longterm deal with a player opt-out. He is a timebomb longterm (he will fall off a cliff and it could be as soon as this year).

I like Burnes, but only if you aren't paying for 3 years ago Burnes (he's closer to a Gausman when we signed him than the Cole he was 3 years ago).

Fried depends on money. I actually like him as much as I like Burnes (with the bonus caveat that he's a lefty), but again the money could be a miss.
 
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Hellcat said:
this team needs catching, 3B, 2B, RF, CF (no Varsho is not the answer, maybe Loperfido becomes that guy but he is not there now, might be a better LF? Loperfido and Varsho have the same problem, they can't hit for shit),
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What the hell are you talking about? We don't need to upgrade over the best defensive CF in the league, nor one of the best two-way catchers in the league. Varsho might not hit for average but he has a really intriguing power profile. Hell, he could hit for .160 and still be very valuable. There's not nearly as many holes as you're suggesting.
 
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What the hell are you talking about? We don't need to upgrade over the best defensive CF in the league, nor one of the best two-way catchers in the league. Varsho might not hit for average but he has a really intriguing power profile. Hell, he could hit for .160 and still be very valuable. There's not nearly as many holes as you're suggesting.
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Do you know what they call an elite fielder who can't hit? A late inning defensive utility replacement.

He is literally one of the worse hitters in MLB.
 
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Discoverer said:
Uh... no.

They need a decent backup for Kirk. I'm not convinced Heineman is the answer, but it's not a priority since they have a very good starter.

Varsho is the best defensive OF in baseball and was a league average hitter last year. He absolutely is the answer in CF.

They have the pieces to cobble together a strong 3B/2B with some combination of Clement, Horwitz, Schneider and maybe a bit of Vlad at 3B. Addressing one of those positions would be nice, but they absolutely don't need both.

They have options, but corner OF is probably the biggest concern with Springer's decline and Schneider's regression.

What they really need is at least one middle-of-the-order bat and probably a second strong offensive upgrade. They have enough versatility on the roster that position should be secondary.
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You think that what you just outlaid is a World Series champion lineup? They can compete with the Yankees, Phillies, Braves, Dodgers, Baltimore?

Varsho is an elite fielder with horrid Batting: https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/daulton-varsho-662139?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb

He is a bench player on an WS caliber team. Dont forget our former CF, who we played over Varsho in CF, didn't even make the Dodgers WS final roster.
 

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Hellcat said:
You think that what you just outlaid is a World Series champion lineup? They can compete with the Yankees, Phillies, Braves, Dodgers, Baltimore?

Varsho is an elite fielder with horrid Batting: https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/daulton-varsho-662139?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb

He is a bench player on an WS caliber team. Dont forget our former CF, who we played over Varsho in CF, didn't even make the Dodgers WS final roster.
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Every single one of those teams other than the Yankees played an inferior player in CF most games (Judge was NYY's primary CF)
 

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Are you suggesting that Judge and Varsho are in the same category?
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No, I am suggesting that every other team you listed employed an inferior player as their primary CF. Judge was the runaway MVP and best player in the AL.
 
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You're telling me a xBA of 1 is average? xSLG of 4 is average? xwOBA of 2 is average? He is literally on the last page of qualified hitters on mlb.com, he is 127th of 129 hitters. https://www.mlb.com/stats/batting-average?page=6

No I dont want to buy any swamp land in Florida.
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The average OPS for an MLB CF was .708 in 2024. Varsho was at .700.

We have lots of holes on our team, but CF is not one.
 
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