Speculation: Trade Deadline: March 8, 2024

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

If Tanev got a 2nd that means the chances of dumba pulling a 1st went from 0.000010% to 0.000005%. Bummer.

 

[DustyDangler]

Tanev effectively got two 2nds and a 3rd and could wind up being 3 2nds.

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Edit, edit: Now it is being reported the conditional 3rd is not a 2nd but 3rd is received only if Stars make the SC Finals. So 1 2nd, 1 prospect who was 48OA and a maybe bonus pick.

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

To this day I still don’t understand how the Canadiens got a 1st for Chiarot a couple years ago. It seemed like it was simply willed into being by the Canadian media.

 

[lanky]

Tanev effectively got two 2nds and a 3rd and could wind up being 3 2nds.

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Edit, edit: Now it is being reported the conditional 3rd is not a 2nd but 3rd is received only if Stars make the SC Finals. So 1 2nd, 1 prospect who was 48OA and a maybe bonus pick.

I'd say a 2nd and 4th would be a fair assessment based on a quick look at Grushnikov's OHL/AHL point output since being drafted and the conditions on that 3rd.

 

[DustyDangler]

I'd say a 2nd and 4th would be a fair assessment based on a quick look at Grushnikov's OHL/AHL point output since being drafted and the conditions on that 3rd.

He is defensive dman. Low point expectation.

 

[Mosby]

Ask for a first for Dumba and accept a third. Always ask high.

 

[Jakey53]

Ask for a first for Dumba and accept a third. Always ask high.

Isn't asking for a third a high ask?.

 

[Mosby]

Flames are getting some backlash on the Tanev return. I think they did fine.

 

[hbk]

Flames are getting some backlash on the Tanev return. I think they did fine.

depends what you think of the prospect.

 

[Mosby]

2nd seems to be the sticker price. They got it. Tanev is not well-rounded enough to demand more, plus he is on an expiring deal. Anything else, while not overwhelming, is a nice bonus. I liked Grushnikov in Hamilton.

I wonder if Dumba goes soon. I figured he would be the backup plan to teams for Tanev, especially Dallas. It's too bad Tanev went there. Dallas especially knows what Dumba was like in the playoffs last year.

Doesn't seem to be a lot of D on the market (especially those in Dumba's category, so excluding guys like Chychrun and Hanifin), so we may benefit from that even though Dumba has had a poor season.

 

[Mosby]

It is interesting though that NJ got a 4th for eating half of Tanev's deal. Last year, BA got a 3rd for eating half of Kane's, whose salary was higher. So these seem to be the going rates.

In the event that we don't use our two remaining retention slots on Zucker and Dumba (or some other combination of two players), we really need to help facilitate some other deal(s) for essentially free picks. It is a missed opportunity otherwise.

 

[rt]

Flames are getting some backlash on the Tanev return. I think they did fine.

What did people expect? He’s a 34 year old rental defensive defenseman, that isn’t very physical. He’s a fine player. One any team would be happy to have. But they were NEVER going to get a 1st for him. My expectation all along was that they’d get a 2nd. They effectively got TWO seconds. One pick and one prospect who was just selected in the 2nd recently and is already in the AHL. They basically got twice the return I expected. Folks online are acting like they got half. It’s crazy.

depends what you think of the prospect.

I’ve seen people foolishly looking at his stat lines and writing him off. As if Tanev HIMSELF has ever been a point producer. The prospect plays the same style. And people are too blinded by default negativity to even think of an example that’s in front of their face as the principle asset in the trade. How can people forget about players LIKE tanev when discussing the return FOR tanev? It’s mind blowing.

“This Russian can’t play. Doesn’t put up points. No future…”

 

[Mosby]

I think my hope for Dumba is a third. If I was a playoff team, I wouldn't want him. He has been brutal this year, and on the decline for the past few years. But, the limited market may help us. Teams could feel they need to get something. Enter Dumba.

Makes me think of Gostisbehere last year. Had two great years in Arizona and the best we could do was a third. He was just not desirable (more so because of his play style not meshing to playoffs). I wouldn't be shocked if Carolina was the only team to make an offer on him.

 

[hbk]

I think my hope for Dumba is a third. If I was a playoff team, I wouldn't want him. He has been brutal this year, and on the decline for the past few years. But, the limited market may help us. Teams could feel they need to get something. Enter Dumba.

Makes me think of Gostisbehere last year. Had two great years in Arizona and the best we could do was a third. He was just not desirable (more so because of his play style not meshing to playoffs). I wouldn't be shocked if Carolina was the only team to make an offer on him.

I am hoping we upgrade a pick. That’s my expectation especially if we are eating cap.

 

[DustyDangler]

What did people expect? He’s a 34 year old rental defensive defenseman, that isn’t very physical. He’s a fine player. One any team would be happy to have. But they were NEVER going to get a 1st for him. My expectation all along was that they’d get a 2nd. They effectively got TWO seconds. One pick and one prospect who was just selected in the 2nd recently and is already in the AHL. They basically got twice the return I expected. Folks online are acting like they got half. It’s crazy.


I’ve seen people foolishly looking at his stat lines and writing him off. As if Tanev HIMSELF has ever been a point producer. The prospect plays the same style. And people are too blinded by default negativity to even think of an example that’s in front of their face as the principle asset in the trade. How can people forget about players LIKE tanev when discussing the return FOR tanev? It’s mind blowing.

“This Russian can’t play. Doesn’t put up points. No future…”

Their expectations are based on hype. The more a player is discussed in the media, the greater their perceived value of him is.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

I think my hope for Dumba is a third. If I was a playoff team, I wouldn't want him. He has been brutal this year, and on the decline for the past few years. But, the limited market may help us. Teams could feel they need to get something. Enter Dumba.

Makes me think of Gostisbehere last year. Had two great years in Arizona and the best we could do was a third. He was just not desirable (more so because of his play style not meshing to playoffs). I wouldn't be shocked if Carolina was the only team to make an offer on him.

I wouldn't be surprised if Tre has been inquiring about him... I'll likely cry but he always liked him.

A desperate team will likely cave, in the fear of missing out.

 

[Mosby]

IIRC, Toronto was one of the teams in on Dumba in the summer.

 

[rt]

IIRC, Toronto was one of the teams in on Dumba in the summer.

I wish they had a 2nd. I think Dumba(50%)+a 3rd gets us a 2nd. I just don’t think Dumba(50%)+a 2nd gets us a 1st.

 

[Foggy1097]

I wish they had a 2nd. I think Dumba(50%)+a 3rd gets us a 2nd. I just don’t think Dumba(50%)+a 2nd gets us a 1st.

What about Dumba + Carcone + a 2nd for a 1st?

 

[rt]

What about Dumba + Carcone + a 2nd for a 1st?

Or Dumba(50%)+Zucker(50%)+2nd. Whichever they prefer is fine by me.

 

[Mosby]

I think we'll do Zucker a solid and send him to Vegas. They have lots of picks.

 

[rt]

I think we'll do Zucker a solid and send him to Vegas. They have lots of picks.

Is there a way to do Zucker and Dumba both with max retention, and add a pick or something and maybe get one of Whitecloud or Korczak or Miromanov? I’d be thrilled to add any one of those three.

 

[Jagged Ice]

I wouldn't be surprised if Tre has been inquiring about him... I'll likely cry but he always liked him.

A desperate team will likely cave, in the fear of missing out.

Dangle and the SDPN crew were talking about that in his latest podcast during a "Why not Dumba?" discussion about improving your blueline.

IIRC, Toronto was one of the teams in on Dumba in the summer.

They were.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Dangle and the SDPN crew were talking about that in his latest podcast during a "Why not Dumba?" discussion about improving your blueline.


They were.

Apologies you had to listen to Dangle. Like many on the main boards, he is one of the loudest but not the most sensible Leaf fan.

I know we were in on him but I was relived we dodged him only to get Klingberg

 

[rt]

On the latest Marek Pod, Elliotte Friedman said that Dumba and Toronto wanted to make a signing happen this summer but Dumba needed 1 or 1.5 more than Klingberg at that time, so the leafs made their choice and dumba came here, ultimately for even less.

My take: Odds are both sides regret their choice and wish they made it work. With Tanev and Zadorov traded seemingly “anywhere but to Tre” - I guess dumba is likely VERY much on Torontos radar. He fits the type they want. And they wanted him specifically as recently as 6 months ago.

I think the Islanders ‘24 3rd makes some sense.