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namttebih said:
I just heard CJ say that the Knies trade talks are still very much open. He suggested something like Mctavish. It wouldn't be straight up obviously since his value is lower at this point.

Would Rielly and Knies for OZ and MM work?

Would also signing Tuch make it more palatable?
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Wouldn't do Knies for OZ and MM

Mintyukov and McTavish might make me consider it.
 
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Fogelhund said:
You thought he was awful his 31 and 40 point seasons in Boston?
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No he was awful when he put up 15 points in 57 games with Boston in his final season and they couldn't wait to ship him out. And then followed that up with 4 goals in 74 games after a big contract. But yeah it's an Edmonton problem.

Also don't look at his playoff stats.
 
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Morgs said:
Hypothetically, sure. Realistically, he's more like a guy you have sometimes in the press box, sometimes on the 4th line, or sometimes hoping someone does you a favour and picks him up on waivers.
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Well, that's the recent vibe on him, but here was a better player there when he was in Boston.

We've often talked about Florida and how they took chances on the Montours and Bennetts and polished these stones up to make them gems.

You can't always buy high, especially if you're kind of strapped for assets.
 
ULF_55 said:
No one is thinking Frederic is a Top 6 forward are they?

Thinking more along the lines of Frederic for Rielly straight across?
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If we are taking Frederic, it has to be terrible contract for terrible contract. I see Frederic as a slightly friskier Dakota Joshua but Frederic was truly awful for the Oilers. I'm sure if you go ask their fans they will tell you.
 
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Rare Jewel said:
Well, that's the recent vibe on him, but here was a better player there when he was in Boston.

We've often talked about Florida and how they took chances on the Montours and Bennetts and polished these stones up to make them gems.

You can't always buy high, especially if you're kind of strapped for assets.
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I don't see the upside. Its not even like he's this physical guy on the 4th line. Look at the way his teams fans talk about him, dude has always been butt and a bad GM signed him to a bad deal
 
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How can we get a deal like

Knies + X for Kempe + Clarke

Kempe is a great top line player who has a heavy contract & clarke is a great potential #1D whose likely a good #3D at the moment needing a big contract.

I would hope it could be 1 for 2 if LA wanted to shed Cap and get a premier PwF.

This assumes we are actually dealing Knies. I would be good with Knies + Carlo for Kempe + Clarke + 2026 2nd

Then sign Tuch - 10.5Mx7 & Jenner 4.5Mx4

And run:

Mckenna - Matthews - Tuch
Kempe - Tavares - Nylander
Cowan - Jenner - Kapanen (3Mx4)
Joshua - Quillan - Lorentz

McCabe - Raddysh
OEL - Clarke (8Mx8)
Andrae - Tanev

This deal gets you a long-term potential #1D and that fixes your RHD for 10+ years if Danford develops and becomes the player he can (RH McCabe)
 
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Bravid Nonahan said:
This is crazy towns, but is there any world in which a deal centering around Rielly for Petterson could happen? I'm not saying 1 for 1.
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I’ve been pretty against trading for Pettersson, but I personally view Rielly, rightfully or wrongfully, as a cap dump. If we’re dumping Rielly’s $7.5M, that’s about the one scenario where I’d take a flyer on Pettersson. If it doesn’t work out in two years, he’d still have four years left, and you could buy him out for a little more than what it would cost to buy out Rielly now. But unlike Rielly, I think Petey has some potential at a big positional need which is 2c. He would be a solid fit on paper with Robertson and Nylander. Not sure what the + would have to be, maybe COL 1st and BUF 2nd.
 
Morgs said:
I don't see the upside. Its not even like he's this physical guy on the 4th line. Look at the way his teams fans talk about him, dude has always been butt and a bad GM signed him to a bad deal
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193, 155(in 58gp), 204 hits in his last 3 seasons.

He's at least that.


Whether there's more like in Boston prior, who knows. I do think it's interesting, a link to a more robust forward with all the Knies chatter going on.

Anyway, the upside comes in the form of Rielly going the other way or an asset attached to him as well.
 
Rare Jewel said:
193, 155(in 58gp), 204 hits in his last 3 seasons.

He's at least that.


Whether there's more like in Boston prior, who knows. I do think it's interesting, a link to a more robust forward with all the Knies chatter going on.

Anyway, the upside comes in the form of Rielly going the other way or an asset attached to him as well.
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I'm 100% sure Rielly will have positive value. This would be trading a positive value asset for a negative value one.
 
Fogelhund said:
Frederic was a pretty quality third liner with Boston. Edmonton doesn't play their bottom six enough, and they all seem to end up losing their offensive touch. Frederic plays RW primarily, has size, plays hard and physical, good speed, and put up 30 and 41 points with Boston. That's the type of reclamation project that we will be looking at. I don't know if there is more to the story that prevents a bounce back, but I always look at Edmonton's depth, and blame the team more than the players.
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Put me in the crazy camp, but I actually agree with you.

Guy gets a huge contract, stops playing for his livlihood, has a down year. He's a big guy, he's only 28 years old; if you can get 15 goals and 35 points out of him on a 3rd line, with the occasional move to centre when somebody's hurt; and not give up anything in terms of assets, it's not the world's most terrible deal.

Kind of feels like a Nic Roy replacement.
 
seanlinden said:
Put me in the crazy camp, but I actually agree with you.

Guy gets a huge contract, stops playing for his livlihood, has a down year. He's a big guy, he's only 28 years old; if you can get 15 goals and 35 points out of him on a 3rd line, with the occasional move to centre when somebody's hurt; and not give up anything in terms of assets, it's not the world's most terrible deal.

Kind of feels like a Nic Roy replacement.
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Different positions and much different deployment. No special teams, only hits and doesn't give you any sort of puck ability.

He's basically a faster version of Dakota Joshua if you want, the guy that was said to be awful most of the season despite better production and actually killed penalties.

If he was right handed and/or had good underlying numbers, maybe even played center, or some big upside swing ability then yeah sure ok... but I don't think people understand how awful he's been.
 
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colchar said:
First, 'expected' anything is a total loser stat.

Second, the team mailed it in/tanked so his numbers last year should be seen as an outlier.
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Expected goals looks at where the shots were taken from to try to account for the quality of defence infront of a goalie, how is that a loser stat?
 
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Hildeby or Akhtyamov

Rielly-Raddysh
Trouba-Carlson
Ekman-Larsson-Tanev
Andrae-Villeneuve/Danford

McKenna-Matthews-Batherson
Cowan-Tavares-Nylander
Cuylle-Cozens-Raddysh
Tanev-McBain-Joshua
Nylander-Domi(LTIR)


Toronto-
Batherson
Cozens
Ullmark
1st round pick(Tampa Bay)

To

Ottawa-
Knies
Quillan
Stolarz + Hildeby or Akhtyamov


Toronto-
Cuylle
Raddysh

To

NYR-
Grouix
Robertson(sign & trade)
Maccelli(sign & trade)
1st round pick 2027(Colorado)


Toronto-
Tanev
McBain

To

Utah-
Lorentz
Carlo
Tverberg
1st round pick(Tampa Bay)


Keep Domi on LTIR
Sign Carlson + Trouba

Obviously we might have to add for some of these trades to work, but this is who id be targeting if were retooling.

We would have more then enough cap space to make this plausible, especially if Domi is out for the season.
 
I can definitely see Larkin going to Dallas for JRob and I also strongly believe in Rielly to DET (Tessa link to Windsor).

To DET: Rielly, NRob, JRob
To DAL: Knies, Larkin, OEL
To TOR: Harley, Compher, JBD

I also wonder if there is an appetite for a Kadri reunion. Colorado traded their future 1st and 2nd for him. COL 27 1st+60OA is essentially the same thing. Do they take the refund?

Combine that with:
To LAK: Hildeby, Joshua
To TOR: Kuemper, Moore

Does Carlo return Spence 1-for-1?

Moore-Matthews-Nylander
McKenna-Tavares-X
Cowan-Kadri-Compher
Lorentz-X-X

Harley-Raddysh
McCabe-Tanev
Andrae-Spence

Kuemper
Stolarz
 
Gabriel426 said:
Still can’t believe some here still want to trade Knies away.

Guess it is fun to speculate
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I dont want to but I think you have to be realistic about what the team needs and the assets we have to fill them

If you can get Knies for a young center or defenseman who can fill a need and improve the team plus some other stuff you have to think about it

Like Cozens plus #9oa, thats your 2C solved for a decade and you also will get a very good prospect
 
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