GDT: Trade and Free agent Rumours thread | Chayka off-season edition

[SprDaVE]

You in fact do look at every player. Some you conclude aren't worth looking at further, some you do. But you at least have an open mind.

But this isn't a long-term track record of bad for Frederic really. It's a season marred by injury, a bad team, and underlying good last year once he got going, before being injured. Given there is a shortage of big, fast wingers, who have the potential for 30-40 points you look.

Just the same as you look at Hayton, and I thought wasn't worth pursuing.... down year, why... etc. Some you conclude can rebound, some you conclude will, and we won't always agree.

If Hayton was signed until his mid to late 30s and had multiple seasons of being a sub 10 goal scorer and without any special roles ability... You wouldn't find a soul that would want him. Kind of a rough comparison to go with here. He's also a center which fills a much bigger role than a left handed 12 minute winger.

I understand the concept of why you'd want to acquire Trent Frederic. I'm saying it's a horrible mistake waiting to happen, but if they take on Stolarz and Domi or something, then maybe it's the best we can do lol sure I guess

I'd rather play Tverberg 12 minutes next year then to take the chance on Frederic to be perfectly honest.

 

[WTFMAN99]

It’s hard finding good centres these days so you might have to gamble taking a swing at one

Wonder about Kulich in Buffalo, they're crammed there.

 

[hamzarocks]

I'm not sure how "linked to Boone Jenner" we are... but he's 33 years old with 800 games of experience.

I'm not advocating for trading a 1st round pick + Hildeby for Barrett Hayton; but he is somebody that the Leafs should absolutely be interested in. Father time is eventually going to catch up to John Tavares, and he has very real potential as a high quality #2 centre.

Hayton has 0 shot of being a high quality 2C

He has been a 20-40 point player now for his entire NHL career.

He has been given ample playing time with Keller and Schmaltz and he cant produce consistently enough there either.

This isnt a Sam Bennett who had strong physical tools, and had shown ability to step up come playoffs.

Hayton isnt as impressive a plauer and he is likely a average 3C for the rest of his career. A JT compher type player.

Im not interested in him other than a buy low situation.

Oliver Moore is a potential 2C upside player whose young, and has upside and growth likely left.

I would like to target him if we wanted a potential 2C player whose currently a 3rd or 4th liner.

Hayton for Stolarz 1 for 1 is fine or Hayton for Robertson.

Otherwise I do hope Chayka looks elsewhere.

We arent replace Tavares with Haytons of the world if we are being honest.

It would need to be a young player two tiers above that. Think names like

Byfield
Wright
McTavish
Ritchie

Getting those types of pieces would be quite hard without giving an important core level asset however.

 

[Trapper]

McDavid better hope the bottom 6 guys are gud pros and don't get discouraged by Babcock and tank his efforts.

It’s not the game on the ice with Babs, it’s all the games off the ice that will sink or swim them.

 

[Vince Young]

any thoughts on acquiring Hertl? Vegas is cash strapped and will probably try doing something crazy.. so..

 

[phillipmike]

Or hold onto him until the TDL when teams alway over pay for his type of defenceman. (As we too painfully know)
By then you will know if a Villeneuve or a Danford can step in as a bottom pairing PK guy which is what Carlo is.

Sure. As long as we get a good deal.

But if the leafs are in contention, I can see them selling Carlo at the deadline for picks. Hence why I rather do it now and get free agent to replace him for nothing.

If you trade him at the deadline for a great return, you’re going to have to buy in the same market and will also likely be high.

 

[SprDaVE]

any thoughts on acquiring Hertl? Vegas is cash strapped and will probably try doing something crazy.. so..

I don't see them giving him away. Not that he's untouchable or anything but he's been good for them. I don't even know if Larkin would be much better either.

I don't even think they are that cash strapped, they can put Pietrangelo on LTIR. Depends what they give Doro, Andersson and if they can punt Adin Hill.

 

[cyris]

I don't see them giving him away. Not that he's untouchable or anything but he's been good for them. I don't even know if Larkin would be much better either.

They definitely need to shed cap. Dorofeyv needs a new contract and is venerable to an offer sheet.
I was looking at Karlsson there but they may prefer to trade Hertl.

That said with the weak FA class I don’t think they will need to just give either one away

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Wonder if we could pull off a trade to get Pettersson and Hronek from Vancouver. They’re entering a rebuild and Hronek at his age is useless to them, and they seem to want to dump Pettersson for whatever. Something around the Colorado 1st and Carlo, who while also not young does have an expiring contract after this season.

 

[SprDaVE]

Wonder if we could pull off a trade to get Pettersson and Hronek from Vancouver. They’re entering a rebuild and Hronek at his age is useless to them, and they seem to want to dump Pettersson for whatever. Something around the Colorado 1st and Carlo, who while also not young does have an expiring contract after this season.

I'd be pretty interested. I think it would take a lot more than that and Carlo has a NTC so I'd be surprised if he had an out to go to Vancouver... But maybe Petterssons contract brings down the value more then I think, not sure.

 

[HavocWreaker]

Hayton has 0 shot of being a high quality 2C

He has been a 20-40 point player now for his entire NHL career.

He has been given ample playing time with Keller and Schmaltz and he cant produce consistently enough there either.

This isnt a Sam Bennett who had strong physical tools, and had shown ability to step up come playoffs.

Hayton isnt as impressive a plauer and he is likely a average 3C for the rest of his career. A JT compher type player.

Im not interested in him other than a buy low situation.

Oliver Moore is a potential 2C upside player whose young, and has upside and growth likely left.

I would like to target him if we wanted a potential 2C player whose currently a 3rd or 4th liner.

Hayton for Stolarz 1 for 1 is fine or Hayton for Robertson.

Otherwise I do hope Chayka looks elsewhere.

We arent replace Tavares with Haytons of the world if we are being honest.

It would need to be a young player two tiers above that. Think names like

Byfield
Wright
McTavish
Ritchie

Getting those types of pieces would be quite hard without giving an important core level asset however.

Theres nothing wrong with buy low options. Also im not sure what Hayton will be but hes not some scrub. Hes a 90th percentile skater, who's elite defensivley and good on the dot. He also had 46 points two years ago and just freshly turned 26. Hes got a lot of hockey left ahead of him. Its nice the players you listed but eveything has a cost. Getting some of those guys wouldnt be easy.

If we can improve the roster for free or minimal assests that should be the priority. We're not drowning in riches here. If theres a bigger trade that makes sense ofc go for it but its easier said then done.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

I'd be pretty interested. I think it would take a lot more than that and Carlo has a NTC so I'd be surprised if he had an out to go to Vancouver... But maybe Petterssons contract brings down the value more then I think, not sure.

That’s my only hope with this. That EP40 is so toxic he drags down Hronek’s value, which is substantial on his own.

 

[Kiwi]

While also creating another hole.

Knies is pretty much the only top 6 that plays a heavy game on the Leafs.

Trading him for Cozens and a lottery ticket might make sense but that’s not a wise move

You can fill a top 9 wing spot, getting a 25 year old top 6C is bloody difficult, you also get an excellent prospect who can help in a couple of years time if you dont **** the pick up

For Hayton ? Really ? I feel the main reason to go after him was it’s a potential buy low op ( and Chayka familiarity ) .

There's buy low and there giving him away for free, he's still a young top 9C, those are valuable even if the player is average

Why are we adding to get a medicore player like Hayton?

Hayton isnt good enough to be on the leafs top 9

Matthews
Mckenna
Nylander
Tavares
Knies
Cowan

Thats 6 guys better than him already

Why would we pay a 1st + Hidelby for a potential 3C when we are linked to Jenner and he can be had for just cap space

He'd walk into our 3C position. Our options currently are Quillan and an injured Domi (who isn't a center imo)

 

[Vince Young]

I'd be pretty interested. I think it would take a lot more than that and Carlo has a NTC so I'd be surprised if he had an out to go to Vancouver... But maybe Petterssons contract brings down the value more then I think, not sure.

Right side of Raddysh - Hronek - Tanev would work!

 

[Avilaj07]

To Toronto-
Werenski

To Columbus-
Knies
Colorado 1st Round Pick

 

[Superstar]

I don't see them giving him away. Not that he's untouchable or anything but he's been good for them. I don't even know if Larkin would be much better either.

I don't even think they are that cash strapped, they can put Pietrangelo on LTIR. Depends what they give Doro, Andersson and if they can punt Adin Hill.

I think Doro is getting offer-sheeted.

 

[weems]

 

[HavocWreaker]

That’s my only hope with this. That EP40 is so toxic he drags down Hronek’s value, which is substantial on his own.

I don't see them giving him away. Not that he's untouchable or anything but he's been good for them. I don't even know if Larkin would be much better either.

I don't even think they are that cash strapped, they can put Pietrangelo on LTIR. Depends what they give Doro, Andersson and if they can punt Adin Hill.

Hes got a full NMC and his contract is 11.6 x 5. If Petey wants to play here and Vancouver is inclined to move him the cost would be low. Realistically EP will only go to a handful of teams and if we are one of them, Chayka can make that happen. Id love to get Hayton too. Petey on his down tick is a 70-80th percentile skater, if he returns to form hes a 90th percentile skater and so is Hayton. 3 two-way and pretty great skaters.

Matthews
EP
Hayton

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[hamzarocks]

If we do keep Knies here, I wonder how he handles all the rumors and repeatedly having to hear his name has been speculated as being open to trade.

If we dont deal him, hopefully Chayka can have a good sit down with him and be transparent that he was never actively looking to make a Knies deal.

He was just doing his job and letting any inquring teams know the cost to get Knies would be astronomical and cost more than Knies is worth.

Chayka hopefully keeps the relation strong with Knies.

I dont want to deal Knies unless its a major win where we get a top pairing Dman + top 6C/W assets (not immediate right away on both perhaps but within 2 years of the deal)

 

[Stephen]

If Hayton was signed until his mid to late 30s and had multiple seasons of being a sub 10 goal scorer and without any special roles ability... You wouldn't find a soul that would want him. Kind of a rough comparison to go with here. He's also a center which fills a much bigger role than a left handed 12 minute winger.

I understand the concept of why you'd want to acquire Trent Frederic. I'm saying it's a horrible mistake waiting to happen, but if they take on Stolarz and Domi or something, then maybe it's the best we can do lol sure I guess

I'd rather play Tverberg 12 minutes next year then to take the chance on Frederic to be perfectly honest.

We'd be better off just signing Corey Perry, finally, than clean up Edmonton's mess in Trent Frederic. His contract is so bad. The sweetener to take that garbage back is probably Evan Bouchard...

 

[Vince Young]

I'm not saying this isn't ridiculous but kinda crazy this team is still 1.9m under the cap.

 

[keonsbitterness]

The last Leaf goalie duo to win a cup were 42 and 37 respectively. Both are in the Hall of Fame. Bobs is headed there as well.

And then the idiot GM protected the 42 year old over the 37 year old.

To Toronto-
Werenski

To Columbus-
Knies
Colorado 1st Round Pick

Columbus would want more.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Hmmmmm an Edmonton return makes me a lot more nervous than a San Jose one

 

[ULF_55]

And then the idiot GM protected the 42 year old over the 37 year old.

Columbus would want more.

Not sure it is something Leafs would consider for a 2 year player.

Werenski can't be re-signed until next year.
Leafs take all the risk, you can't do conditions on re-signing.