GDT: Trade and Free agent Rumours thread | Chayka off-season edition

[SprDaVE]

I wouldn't go that far... lol

Nurse only shot 4% this year. He's bound to bounce back. Big dude that can skate and hit and score goals. He was a career 6-10% shooter.

EDIT: Look! WAR CARD!

 

[Vince Young]

Wasnt the rumor years ago, ehile he was in Winnipeg, that Trouba wanted out of Canada and to play in the USA?

I could be wrong but I believe his wife was in medical school in NY, so wanted to be around that area

 

[Rare Jewel]

Nurse only shot 4% this year. He's bound to bounce back. Big dude that can skate and hit and score goals. He was a career 6-10% shooter.

I hope for the San Jose Sharks, you're right.

 

[Kiwi]

Would be one interesting set of trades lol not sure Utah does that though

I'm pretty sure we're throwing a 1st or 2nd in to make that deal work

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Plz no Bob . Put the money into the d . Harley would be an unreal get if Dallas truly needs to shed salary .

 

[SprDaVE]

I'm pretty sure we're throwing a 1st or 2nd in to make that deal work

Count me in.

 

[Gabriel426]

I dont want to but I think you have to be realistic about what the team needs and the assets we have to fill them

If you can get Knies for a young center or defenseman who can fill a need and improve the team plus some other stuff you have to think about it

Like Cozens plus #9oa, thats your 2C solved for a decade and you also will get a very good prospect

While also creating another hole.

Knies is pretty much the only top 6 that plays a heavy game on the Leafs.

Trading him for Cozens and a lottery ticket might make sense but that’s not a wise move

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

I'm pretty sure we're throwing a 1st or 2nd in to make that deal work

For Hayton ? Really ? I feel the main reason to go after him was it’s a potential buy low op ( and Chayka familiarity ) .

 

[Gabriel426]

Majority are willing to trade him if someone overpays. I don’t think that’s crazy. No one is untouchable on the leafs.

Overpays is the key word. Most of the trade proposals are not close to overpays unless it is Hartley plus 1st. That’s overpayment.

 

[hamzarocks]

I can definitely see Larkin going to Dallas for JRob and I also strongly believe in Rielly to DET (Tessa link to Windsor).

To DET: Rielly, NRob, JRob
To DAL: Knies, Larkin, OEL
To TOR: Harley, Compher, JBD

I also wonder if there is an appetite for a Kadri reunion. Colorado traded their future 1st and 2nd for him. COL 27 1st+60OA is essentially the same thing. Do they take the refund?

Combine that with:
To LAK: Hildeby, Joshua
To TOR: Kuemper, Moore

Does Carlo return Spence 1-for-1?

Moore-Matthews-Nylander
McKenna-Tavares-X
Cowan-Kadri-Compher
Lorentz-X-X

Harley-Raddysh
McCabe-Tanev
Andrae-Spence

Kuemper
Stolarz

OEL + Knies + Rielly + NRob for Harley + Compher + JBD is terrible for us.

Im not budging past Knies 1 for 1 for Harley. If that doesnt work, so be it.

Rielly for Compher + 4th is my ask there
OEL needs 2 2nds back
Robertson a 3rd + 4th

I wouldn't do these deals if Im Chayka. We are not getting enough value.

Knies for Harley
Rielly for Compher + 4th
OEL for Bourque (2 2nds value wise)
Robertson for a few picks to either team.

 

[Americanadian]

OEL + Knies + Rielly + NRob for Harley + Compher + JBD is terrible for us.

Im not budging past Knies 1 for 1 for Harley. If that doesnt work, so be it.

Rielly for Compher + 4th is my ask there
OEL needs 2 2nds back
Robertson a 3rd + 4th

I wouldn't do these deals if Im Chayka. We are not getting enough value.

Knies for Harley
Rielly for Compher + 4th
OEL for Bourque (2 2nds)
Robertson for a few picks to either team

There’s no world where Knies is worth Harley 1-for-1.

Similarly Rielly for Compher is about even. Robertson for JBD is about even.

 

[JEI]

Don't want to lose Hildeby so it's hard for me to support bringing in Bob without moving Stolarz.

 

[hamzarocks]

There’s no world where Knies is worth Harley 1-for-1.

Similarly Rielly for Compher is about even. Robertson for JBD is about even.

Then you dont trade Knies for Harley

Harley is overpaid at 10.7M and had a terrible year. He isnt bringing the same valuation he would get last year.

If he doesnt rebound next year he is a bad contract signed long-term for way too much.

I would avoid JBD, not a needed piece for us and Knies I would look at Mateychuk or Clarke as my main target dman, over Harley.

See if CBJ or LA are interested in a deal around those guys + for knies

 

[hamzarocks]

I'm pretty sure we're throwing a 1st or 2nd in to make that deal work

Why are we adding to get a medicore player like Hayton?

Hayton isnt good enough to be on the leafs top 9

Matthews
Mckenna
Nylander
Tavares
Knies
Cowan

Thats 6 guys better than him already

Why would we pay a 1st + Hidelby for a potential 3C when we are linked to Jenner and he can be had for just cap space

 

[JEI]

Updated list:

Free Agency Targets if the price is right:

Alex Tuch (fit perfectly into the top 6 as a needed RW option)
Viktor Arvidsson (another good top-six option with right-hand shot)
Claude Giroux (enough said)
Oliver Bjrorkstrand (middle-six right handed two-way who can move up the lineup if needed)
Andre Kuzmenko (offensive, right-hand, short-term deal)
Mats Zuccarello (Always liked him, good stop-gap option on LW if they move someone like Knies)
Mason Marchment (extremely slow, but good skill set so may not fit exactly the movement towards speed)
Scott Laughton (If they use him like a #3, he could be a good shut-down role if he wants back)
Boone Jenner (I like him as a player, although I'm not sure if he's the right fit for what they need as a 3rd line C compared to other options).
Eeli Tolvanen (two-way middle-six RW could look good on a line with a shut-down centre)
Kasperi Kapenen (former Leaf, has developed into a strong depth player at 5on5 with speed/grit)
Kevin Stenlund (Big defensive centre for the 4th line, right-hand shot)
Danton Heinen (utility defensive forward with speed, can play all positions if needed 11/12/13th forward)
Patrick Laine (wild card!)
Ryan Shae (two-way transition 2nd pairing option LH)
Brett Kulak (defensive minded 2nd pairing option LH)
Nick Blankenburg (small two-way 3rd pair option RH)
Nick Jensen (defensive-minded 3rd pair option RH)

Signed Elsewhere:
(SEA) Bobby McMann (known quality here, if the price is right as a LW 2/3rd line speedy depth scoring option)
(EDM) Jason Dickinson (3rd line defensive centre, can match up against top-lines as a shutdown)
(EDM) Connor Murphy (2nd/3rd pairing option RH..might just be better to keep Carlo as Murphy isn't helping your back-end speed?)

 

[Americanadian]

Then you dont trade Knies for Harley

Harley is overpaid at 10.7M and had a terrible year. He isnt bringing the same valuation he would get last year.

If he doesnt rebound next year he is a bad contract signed long-term for way too much.

I would avoid JBD, not a needed piece for us and Knies I would look at Mateychuk or Clarke as my main target dman, over Harley.

See if CBJ or LA are interested in a deal around those guys + for knies

Harley is also one year separated from being a top 5 defenseman in the league. The Leafs have never had a defenseman as good as he was in 24-25. Wingers don’t return that.

LA doesn’t touch Clarke for Knies. I’m not sure if CBJ touches Mateychuk for Knies if Werenski wants out.

JBD for Robertson is a wash where both teams deal from a surplus. He’s better than Myers as a 7D.

 

[Fogelhund]

No he was awful when he put up 15 points in 57 games with Boston in his final season and they couldn't wait to ship him out. And then followed that up with 4 goals in 74 games after a big contract. But yeah it's an Edmonton problem.

Also don't look at his playoff stats.

Everyone on Boston was terrible in 24-25... Coyle put up 22 points. Was he washed? Boston was just selling players off that year... everyone.

This is the exact exercise the Leafs and Chayka need to do. Look at players who SHOULD be more than they currently are, and figure out why that is, and if there is a chance to rebound. Is Frederic one of those players? I don't know, I'm asking that question.

But, the 23-24 version of Frederic very much is a player we could use. In some ways, his play was decent in Feb and March this year too, when you look under the hood.

Losing Trent Frederic for any period of time is a bigger problem for the Oilers than meets the eye

<p>It seems like the Edmonton Oilers will be without Trent Frederic for an unknown amount of time. If you told me that earlier this season, I wouldn’t have been too bothered, given his lack of production and the team being shelled when he was on the ice. But the thing is, since the calendar...

oilersnation.com

So the question is... how long did the high ankle sprain hinder him? Did it reduce the effectiveness of off season training? D=

The whole thing with buying low, is there will be recent disappointment. The question being, why, and is there is a reason to hope for a rebound. 23-24 Frederic is a guy we would want to add.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Kuzmenko might be a nice cheap short term signing. Had a down right but provides legit top 6 offense upside on the right side

 

[seanlinden]

Why are we adding to get a medicore player like Hayton?

Hayton isnt good enough to be on the leafs top 9

Matthews
Mckenna
Nylander
Tavares
Knies
Cowan

Thats 6 guys better than him already

Why would we pay a 1st + Hidelby for a potential 3C when we are linked to Jenner and he can be had for just cap space

I'm not sure how "linked to Boone Jenner" we are... but he's 33 years old with 800 games of experience.

I'm not advocating for trading a 1st round pick + Hildeby for Barrett Hayton; but he is somebody that the Leafs should absolutely be interested in. Father time is eventually going to catch up to John Tavares, and he has very real potential as a high quality #2 centre.

 

[Voodoo Child]

I'd rather trade McKenna+ for Heiskanen than Knies+ for Harley.

Seriously, don't trade Knies...but if you have to he has to return a top-4D AND an F who can potentially replace his numbers AND a pick.

Think McTavish, Mintyukov 3rd, Snuggerud + Broberg.

 

[SprDaVE]

Everyone on Boston was terrible in 24-25... Coyle put up 22 points. Was he washed? Boston was just selling players off that year... everyone.

This is the exact exercise the Leafs and Chayka need to do. Look at players who SHOULD be more than they currently are, and figure out why that is, and if there is a chance to rebound. Is Frederic one of those players? I don't know, I'm asking that question.

But, the 23-24 version of Frederic very much is a player we could use. In some ways, his play was decent in Feb and March this year too, when you look under the hood.

Losing Trent Frederic for any period of time is a bigger problem for the Oilers than meets the eye

<p>It seems like the Edmonton Oilers will be without Trent Frederic for an unknown amount of time. If you told me that earlier this season, I wouldn’t have been too bothered, given his lack of production and the team being shelled when he was on the ice. But the thing is, since the calendar...

oilersnation.com

So the question is... how long did the high ankle sprain hinder him? Did it reduce the effectiveness of off season training? D=

The whole thing with buying low, is there will be recent disappointment. The question being, why, and is there is a reason to hope for a rebound. 23-24 Frederic is a guy we would want to add.

Everyone was awful on that team, sure. They didn't stay awful after moving from a terrible team to a good one. Maybe he was injured, maybe something else happened. Maybe he's being used wrong. Maybe he's just really unlucky. I don't know.

Buying low is a great concept under the umbrella the guy isn't signed until 2033 for basically being a younger Joshua. That's the big issue. He's buyout territory.

Why stop at Frederic? Why not go after Nurse in this instance? Big guy that fills a need and a few seasons removed from being considered very good. Just load it up.

 

[BertCorbeau]

It’s hard finding good centres these days so you might have to gamble taking a swing at one

 

[BurnTheBoats]

Carlsson ain’t coming here. Trouba may be a decent fit. Don’t think we are getting McBain out of Utah without giving up more, and I really don’t think that’s enough for Cuylle.

Added to those trades, what do you think now? Also its possible Carlsson signs here, he wants to go back to the east coast and maybe Sundin convinces him....if we added Ullmark that could change his mind as well.

Ullmark
Hildeby or Akhtyamov

Rielly-Raddysh
Trouba-Carlson
Ekman-Larsson-Tanev
Andrae-Villeneuve or Danford

McKenna-Matthews-Batherson
Cowan-Tavares-Nylander
Cuylle-Cozens-Raddysh
Tanev-McBain-Joshua
Nylander-Domi(LTIR)


Toronto-
Batherson
Cozens
Ullmark
1st round pick(Tampa Bay)

To

Ottawa-
Knies
Quillan
Stolarz + Hildeby or Akhtyamov


Toronto-
Cuylle
Raddysh

To

NYR-
Grouix
Danford or Villeneuve
Maccelli(sign & trade)
1st round pick 2027(Colorado)


Toronto-
Tanev
McBain

To

Utah-
Lorentz
Carlo
Tverberg
Robertson(sign & trade)
1st round pick(Tampa Bay)

 

[Vince Young]

Obviously Tuch is the main guy but i like targeting Arvidsson and Tolvanen for RW. I don't really see how we can build out a team to out tough the panthers, so just build the best team possible, imo

 

[Fogelhund]

Everyone was awful on that team. They didn't stay awful after moving from a terrible team to a good one. Maybe he was injured, maybe something else happened. I don't know.

Buying low is a great concept under the umbrella the guy isn't signed until 2033. That's the big issue. He's buyout territory.

Why stop at Frederic? Why not go after Nurse in this instance? Big guy that fills a need and a few seasons removed from being considered very good.

You in fact do look at every player. Some you conclude aren't worth looking at further, some you do. But you at least have an open mind.

But this isn't a long-term track record of bad for Frederic really. It's a season marred by injury, a bad team, and underlying good last year once he got going, before being injured. Given there is a shortage of big, fast wingers, who have the potential for 30-40 points you look.

Just the same as you look at Hayton, and I thought wasn't worth pursuing.... down year, why... etc. Some you conclude can rebound, some you conclude will, and we won't always agree.