GDT: Trade and Free agent Rumours thread | Chayka off-season edition

[Tak7]

Well that Pagnotta report officially has me nervous.

this has been the wildest off-season week in recent memory. this is what the sport should always be.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Werenski would be the dream addition. Would cost knies ++ though.

 

[Morgs]

That is pretty awful indeed. I think it's safe to assume they'd be adding other players if they make those kind of changes. I'd wait until the vision is set before criticizing, but it's hard to see it right now.

I think what's cool about defense is that teams like Tampa and Pittsburgh have shown you can cycle through a bunch of 'mid' defenseman so long as you have your star at the top running the PP. Not every defensive core needs to look like Colorado's.

Find guys who win their minutes 5v5, a couple who are fine on the PK, and the one star that makes your PP great.

 

[SprDaVE]

There's no way you can move all of McCabe, Rielly and Carlo and somehow expect to have a competitive defense next year, unless Chayka has some sort of other magic up his sleeve that we don't know about.

I did add that if they sell off a couple guys for a lot of picks or whatever, it's possible they turn around to chase guys like Werenski, Parayko, etc

Hard to see happen.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

I think he is going to make a major addition via trade assets on defense.

plz be Harley. Or a smaller deal for Mintyukov or Spence

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

Something to consider:

Mattias Maccelli at even strength this year:

71 Games Played, 12:50/game. 12 Goals, 31 Points.
Macelli picked up another 8 on the powerplay playing 1:44 per game.

Mason McTavish

75 Games Played, 13:11/game, 11 goals, 30 points.
McTavish picked up another 12 on the powerplay playing 2:02 per game.


One of them has a $7m contract that will land a pretty massive haul. The other is a "questionable qualifier" at $4.5m???

Bad comparison to make for me. McTavish was a horrible signing. Only got that deal due to draft pedigree and being a Center which makes him far more valuable than a offensive only Left Winger.
I am hoping the Habs actually trade for him and lose major assets.
You know you are using small sample size plus box car numbers only to make the comparison. Start posting all the numbers.

 

[SprDaVE]

Werenski would be the dream addition. Would cost knies ++ though.

Only way it works is if he only wants to move to a specific team like say Toronto (unlikely). Also those talks apparently are going to happen after the draft.

 

[Sypher04]

Well that Pagnotta report officially has me nervous.

this has been the wildest off-season week in recent memory. this is what the sport should always be.

Pagnotta report?

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

Sure those guys can be targets as potential guys but the Leafs want to make the playoffs. Not sure trading McCabe to add Del Mastro accomplishes that right away... Maybe I'm wrong.

McCabe should get an insane huge haul though. So maybe they plan on chasing a guy like Werenski and/or Parayko... I don't know.

There are other guys out there like Zellweger, Montreal is going to move a left handed dman, but the market is tight so the Leafs moving one of there 3 number 5 dmen for a haul makes a lot of sense.

 

[SprDaVE]

There are other guys out there like Zellweger, Montreal is going to move a left handed dman, but the market is tight so the Leafs moving one of there 3 number 5 dmen for a haul makes a lot of sense.

Going from McCabe to Zellweger or some alternative to that regardless of the picks we'd have would not improve us in the slightest.

McCabe was our #1 last 2 seasons, played a lot of very tough minutes, but he did struggle last year (who didn't?). I'm fine with selling high here and pivoting, but it will be very very hard to find that kind of hard nosed defenseman. If the Leafs want to push for the playoffs, this won't help unless they make some pretty creative maneuvering that is hard to imagine.

 

[seanlinden]

The grass is always greener on the other side.

Yeah, it's the same stuff with Rielly, Carlo, too.

I get that we all want to see changes; but at the end of the day the focus needs to be on putting the best possible team out on the ice with the assets and cap space we do have.

Maybe you trade Carlo because it enables you to get a centre (either directly or through a subsequent trade)... maybe it's Rielly, but there's no sense in dumping these guys just for the sake of doing so.

Obviously the fit of having Knies, Maccelli, Cowan, Robertson, and likely McKenna as natural left wingers is not ideal; but that doesn't mean you should just cast him off.

There's also the possibility of signing him to a slightly lower deal and give him some job security. He could also be an offer sheet candidate, although that's probably a "2nd week of free agency" type of thing once the major dust has settled.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Pagnotta report?

insinuates that Torono is sitting on multiple trades. Could the hold up be that they are trying to sign Tuch/trade for his right prior to dealing Knies for a bag? Like I don't think they are the favorite for him but likely in the mix if he's open to Canada.

 

[Bravid Nonahan]

Maybe this has already been explained, but can someone explain the Byram trade for me from a Buf perspective? They just finally made the playoffs, what good is the 4th overall pick for them next year?

 

[SprDaVE]

Maybe this has already been explained, but can someone explain the Byram trade for me from a Buf perspective? They just finally made the playoffs, what good is the 4th overall pick for them next year?

They have Samuelsson, Dahlin and Power as LHDs. Byram wants a huge contract extension (apparently above 12M cap hit)

 

[Sypher04]

insinuates that Torono is sitting on multiple trades. Could the hold up be that they are trying to sign Tuch/trade for his right prior to dealing Knies for a bag? Like I don't think they are the favorite for him but likely in the mix if he's open to Canada.

Thanks, I can’t possibly keep up with this thread at the best of times, let alone while working.

Toronto could be quite attractive if he’s not going to be able to stay in Buffalo. As a someone from that area, not a lot of places closer than Toronto.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Maybe this has already been explained, but can someone explain the Byram trade for me from a Buf perspective? They just finally made the playoffs, what good is the 4th overall pick for them next year?

They have a logjam of LHD in Dahlin, Samuelsson, and Power and Byram wants to get paid

Looks like they’ll be able to scoop up one of the right handed d-men in this class

 

[Bravid Nonahan]

OK, got it

They have Samuelsson, Dahlin and Power as LHDs. Byram wants a huge contract extension.

That makes sense as to why they moved off Byram...but I still wonder about that #4 OA...it's a great asset don't get me wrong, but it doesn't really help them next year...I wonder if they flip it.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Doesn’t make sense to move McCabe. Think he stays until next year at least

 

[ToneDog]

Maybe this has already been explained, but can someone explain the Byram trade for me from a Buf perspective? They just finally made the playoffs, what good is the 4th overall pick for them next year?

Did not want to pay him and I can't say I blame them. Draft is in Buffalo so maybe they wanted to make a bigger splash? They way I see it, the D they take at #4 might be better than Byram or they may pick a forward since they have two studs on D already and may lose Tuch.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Thanks, I can’t possibly keep up with this thread at the best of times, let alone while working.

Toronto could be quite attractive if he’s not going to be able to stay in Buffalo. As a someone from that area, not a lot of places closer than Toronto.

Right not only that but Buffalo is apparently close on another deal and one of the Buffalo beat guys heard/speculated it involved Tuchs UFA rights. Putting 2 and 2 together...makes 4? Both teams are waiting for the second shoe to drop seemingly. Hopefully hear something one way or another soon.

 

[Bravid Nonahan]

They have a logjam of LHD in Dahlin, Samuelsson, and Power and Byram wants to get paid

Looks like they’ll be able to scoop up one of the right handed d-men in this class

Someone like Nemec would have made more sense in my mind, as he is still very young and would have fit in the age range of their current d corps...

 

[Oskar The Groucho]

Doesn’t make sense to move McCabe. Think he stays until next year at least

He is 32 turning 33. You move him now... I dont get people who dont want to move a 36 year old OEL and 33 year old McCabe.. Its time

 

[Rare Jewel]

There's no way you can move all of McCabe, Rielly and Carlo and somehow expect to have a competitive defense next year, unless Chayka has some sort of other magic up his sleeve that we don't know about.

Don't most want the latter two moved anyway? So, really, it's just McCabe.

I'm okay with moving him, I like him, but he plays a very hard style, and he may end up like Tanev eventually.

 

[IrishInOntario]

I think that moving McCabe this year would be a mistake, unless the offer for him is overwhelming.

He's locked up, plays his ass off and is one of the few defenders on the team that defends. He's a passable #2 on a first pairing, and would be an excellent #3/#4 on the second pair if Toronto can add someone that pushes him down on the left side.

 

[ToneDog]

Doesn’t make sense to move McCabe. Think he stays until next year at least

Does if you want to get younger on D.