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2025-2026 Offseason Thread 4 - all these trades and all we got was this lousy thread!

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atlanticobserver said:
Thing is, Mctavish is more expensive than Cirelli, might not drop 25ish goals a year, and probably won’t be in the running for Selke. If Anaheim wants to do Mctavish +, then fine, but otherwise I think we are dogpiling on Cirelli for very little reason. Is he a great 2C? Not really. Would he be an amazing 3C? Definitely. For the money, though, it’s hard to do much better. I think we could do better to ship Point and get McTavish and maybe Mintyukov if Anaheim would do that. But I don’t know if it fixes a whole lot. More just a shakeup. Probably makes more sense to just use the cap space on a winger
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Yeah, it's not a realistic trade I proposed anyway. I just know that after 4 years we've taken Point and Cirelli as our 1/2 as far as it's gonna go.
 
Doctor Congo said:
Yeah, it's not a realistic trade I proposed anyway. I just know that after 4 years we've taken Point and Cirelli as our 1/2 as far as it's gonna go.
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You’re probably right. I think it could be a decent idea to grab a couple of wingers and try Guentzel out at full time C maybe. Idk tho
 
atlanticobserver said:
Girgensons. At Puljujarvi's peak he was a 15 goal player as opposed to a guy who scores 9 on 50 grade A chances and defends well. Hell, I even think Chaffee is a better option at this stage.
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Girgensons and Puljujarvi are nothing alike. Their play styles are nothing alike, and their skill sets are nothing alike.

BTW I didn't say we should go after him, I said he's intriguing because the team that can fix him will have a monster.
 
Doctor Congo said:
At this point I'm hoping it's Cirelli. I'm done dude. 1 goal in his last 17 playoff games and the annual 30 game stretch where he can't score at all has just become too much for me. Like how bad can a guy like McTavish possibly be while stapled to Hagel's ass 16 minutes a night?


Like I am NOT suggesting that is what we ACTUALLY do. It's a purely hypothetical shit post that encompasses the kind of changes I want to see
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If we traded Cirelli, replacing what he brings would cost a lot of cap. His contract is good. The mistake is viewing him as a scorer, which I think happens because he exceeded expectations when he first came up.

He's a 45 point center who gives you elite defense. And he's been that pretty consistently. I feel like sometimes we get punative with the players rather than assessing what they bring relative to their role, relative to the rest of the league.

Point was the problem this year. He became a worse option than Cirelli at 1C, which is unacceptable. That doesn't mean we should get rid of him. I think the chances of Point returning to 1C status are higher than us adding a true 1C with no assets. Larkin isn't a 1C on a good team, for instance, and he doesn't bring what Point used to bring. Adding him in addition to what we have makes us better; adding him and subtracting something else would either be lateral or negative IMO.

We could really use a good 2C.
 
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RSchmitz said:
Girgensons and Puljujarvi are nothing alike. Their play styles are nothing alike, and their skill sets are nothing alike.

BTW I didn't say we should go after him, I said he's intriguing because the team that can fix him will have a monster.
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Puljujarvi is a bit larger. Puljujarvi averages 0.4 more SOG/game, 0.03 more goals per game, 0.04 more assists per game. Girgensons averages 0.5 more hits/game, shoots at a 0.3% percent better rate. Girgensons has also played ~400 more games. These stats are pretty dang close, man. Play style might be different, sure. I don't think Puljujarvi is some kind of monster even on his best day. He's practically within a whisker of Girgensons in a way smaller sample size and playing on more talented teams for most of his career.
 
DFC said:
If we traded Cirelli, replacing what he brings would cost a lot of cap. His contract is good. The mistake is viewing him as a scorer, which I think happens because he exceeded expectations when he first came up.

He's a 45 point center who gives you elite defense. And he's been that pretty consistently. I feel like sometimes we get punative with the players rather than assessing what they bring relative to their role, relative to the rest of the league.

Point was the problem this year. He became a worse option than Cirelli at 1C, which is unacceptable. That doesn't mean we should get rid of him. I think the chances of Point returning to 1C status are higher than us adding a true 1C with no assets. Larkin isn't a 1C on a good team, for instance, and he doesn't bring what Point used to bring. Adding him in addition to what we have makes us better; adding him and subtracting something else would either be lateral or negative IMO.

We could really use a good 2C.
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Problem is that with 32 teams out there, probably 20-25 could use a good 2C. How many teams are really stacked at 1C and 2C? Edmonton? Colorado? Florida? I feel like the list is basically over right there. Carolina had to move a winger to 2C and wound up winning it all. I think you could argue that our problem (or at least the more fixable problem) is that only like 4 of our guys are capable of scoring in the playoffs right now. You could try to fix that by A. getting a star forward like Tuch or B. getting some guys who can legitimately shoot the puck or finish plays in the bottom 6. I think B is kind of a requirement regardless, but I'm not really opposed to A.
 
Felonious Python said:
Poolparty might be a AAAA player. You can have guys who kill it in Europe or the AHL, but they're not really NHLers.
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Especially if they're pushing 30. It's one thing to do what Rautiainen or even D'Astous did. But I'm not a big believer in the guys who got pushed out of the NHL and are trying to come back.
 
DFC said:
If we traded Cirelli, replacing what he brings would cost a lot of cap. His contract is good. The mistake is viewing him as a scorer, which I think happens because he exceeded expectations when he first came up.

He's a 45 point center who gives you elite defense. And he's been that pretty consistently. I feel like sometimes we get punative with the players rather than assessing what they bring relative to their role, relative to the rest of the league.

Point was the problem this year. He became a worse option than Cirelli at 1C, which is unacceptable. That doesn't mean we should get rid of him. I think the chances of Point returning to 1C status are higher than us adding a true 1C with no assets. Larkin isn't a 1C on a good team, for instance, and he doesn't bring what Point used to bring. Adding him in addition to what we have makes us better; adding him and subtracting something else would either be lateral or negative IMO.

We could really use a good 2C.
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I would advocate trading Point if I could be sure we weren't getting back pennies on the dollar and he wasn't (sometimes) showing his old flashes of life. The problem is we can find half a dozen dudes whose responsibility is to shut a game down. Will they do as well as Cirelli? Eh. Probably not. But it will at least come with the clear distinction of not relying on him for offense. Of all the things to happen I think someone trading Tampa clear 1C for Point is the least of them.

I absolutely cannot believe I'm saying this but it's starting to feel like McDavid or bust
 
Doctor Congo said:
I would advocate trading Point if I could be sure we weren't getting back pennies on the dollar and he wasn't (sometimes) showing his old flashes of life. The problem is we can find half a dozen dudes whose responsibility is to shut a game down. Will they do as well as Cirelli? Eh. Probably not. But it will at least come with the clear distinction of not relying on him for offense. Of all the things to happen I think someone trading Tampa clear 1C for Point is the least of them.

I absolutely cannot believe I'm saying this but it's starting to feel like McDavid or bust
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My brother, we don't even have what it takes to get Marchenko
 
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Doctor Congo said:
Now I'm gonna go shame eat some chicken wings or something. God this is depressing
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We have cap but there’s about 20 plus with more, we don’t have the same pull because we aren’t a contender so no forced trades and we have no f***ing assets.

Oh plus all our cups and cash crew that have checked out have no moves or trades.
 
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