GDT: Trade and Free agent Rumours thread | Chayka off-season edition

[SprDaVE]

I am not in the "room" with Leaf management so I have no idea who is available or for what price. But if someone is offering me 3 or 4 assets for McCabe or OEL I am going to think long and hard about it.

OEL, Rielly and McCabe all are basically 2nd pairing complimentry dmen or 3 pairing guys who can drive play. If the set up is going to be Raddysh as top RHD, Tanev as second pairing RHD and to be determined as 3rd pairing RHD. I see Andrae as a lock to be at least the 3rd pairing LHD so one of OEL or McCabe as 2nd pairing LHD leaving 1st pairing LHD and 3rd pairing RHD(Carlo?) as the open spots.

I would not be surprised if they are looking at bringing in a top pairing complimentry player for Raddysh. Who it is I have no idea. but selling off McCabe, Reilly and Carlo for a bag full of assets that Toronto does not have helps them to bring in what they need.

We'll see but we just saw what the Hawks gave up for what they feel is a top pairing defenseman. I understand the idea of grabbing assets to pivot, but pivoting off a guy like McCabe who is very good is going to be very hard especially with the style he plays, something the Leafs lack through the lineup already enough.

I don't see it even with the recent reporting, it makes little sense to me. Actually, it makes zero sense to me.

If we were rebuilding, then yeah sure, it makes all the sense in the world.

 

[Trapper]

They want to improve. So unless they transform McCabe, OEL, Rielly and Carlo into 4 other defenders that are better.... yeah, good luck.

The trouble is that group of 4 isn’t good enough. Running it back isn’t improving.
I think OEL and McCabe stay. We know there are many rumours of Rielly so that could be a change. I’d also move Carlo. We played a hefty price, he is a UFA in one year and I don’t see him fit long term. Time to cash him in for ideally a quality 3C if possible.

 

[aingefan]

The whole D corps is outta here baby.

Strange that the two elder statesmen aren’t mentioned. Tanev for clear reasons

 

[SprDaVE]

The trouble is that group of 4 isn’t good enough. Running it back isn’t improving.
I think OEL and McCabe stay. We know there are many rumours of Rielly so that could be a change. I’d also move Carlo. We played a hefty price, he is a UFA in one year and I don’t see him fit long term. Time to cash him in for ideally a quality 3C if possible.

It's not going to be ran back, we already have 2 new faces to it.

I agree that McCabe and OEL are staying.

 

[1specter]

How is McCabe a great fit for Raddysh? McCabe is not a great skater or great at transitioning the puck like Moser. Raddysh has typically struggled great when paired with defensive types that cannot move the puck well. Right now Andrae or OEL have the best player profile to play with Raddysh.

McCabe is actually a very good skater.

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He's 80th+ percentile in almost every skating metric and 86th percentile in max skating speed. That's pretty damn good. And aside from speed he has solid edgework and gap control.

 

[aingefan]

Nah.

Big loser.

He’s like the Costanza of insiders: then the opposite *must* be true.

 

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[aingefan]

I'm fine with activity but not sure it makes sense to shop a guy like McCabe if you want to improve in the standings. You won't find that kind of defenseman available for his cap hit for cheap either.

I haven’t seen any smoke about it, but maybe Ferraro really wants to come home like Raddysh?

 

[Duffman955]

They want to improve. So unless they transform McCabe, OEL, Rielly and Carlo into 4 other defenders that are better.... yeah, good luck.

I dont think its even possible to move all of Rielly, Carlo and McCabe and be competitive next year. No matter what people say, these are all solid top 4 Dmen.

The way I see it, we are shopping all 3, but likely only trade 1 or 2 of them, and keep the remaining.

Then we likely make a major addition via trade and a low key addition via UFA

 

[SprDaVE]

McCabe is actually a very good skater.

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He's 80th+ percentile in almost every skating metric and 86th percentile in max skating speed. That's pretty damn good. And aside from speed he has solid edgework and gap control.

I don't know what people watch if they think McCabe isn't a good skater. He's also pretty physical.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

A lot of people wanting Zellwegger... I'm not necessarily opposed to it, but I'll say this. Adding two smurfs (even if they are sturdy guys) in Andrae and Zellwegger on the left side gives me pause. Size isn't everything. I'd rather have guys that can skate, shoot and move the puck. That said, I don't want half the d-core to wind up smurfs.

Way rather target Mintyukov even though the cost would obviously be more. (if dealing with Anaheim) If he's very cheap I'd be into Zel possibly. Feel he and Andrae or sorta similar

 

[SprDaVE]

I dont think its even possible to move all of Rielly, Carlo and McCabe and be competitive next year. No matter what people say, these are all solid top 4 Dmen.

The way I see it, we are shopping all 3, but likely only trade 1 or 2 of them, and keep the remaining.

Then we likely make a major addition via trade and a low key addition via UFA

I understand Rielly moving on as a fresh start and his best ability just got replaced (PP time) and his defensive game is just too far gone.

Carlo isn't retained past this year, so he needs to be shopped heavily. He's also not very good.

Change is needed, and there will be changes. But McCabe is far too good and important to change... you'll be in very tough to replace what he does.

 

[Rare Jewel]

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One of them broke the Eklund deal, the other broke the Raddsyh deal, and the other broke the Byram deal.

Where does this come from?

 

[CtrlAltDel]

One of them broke the Eklund deal, the other broke the Raddsyh deal, and the other broke the Byram deal.

Where does this come from?

It’s just a joke man. Nothing to take seriously.

 

[1specter]

I don't know what people watch if they think McCabe isn't a good skater. He's also pretty physical.

People make up things to suit their narrative. Because the Leafs D has garnered the reputation of old and slow, automatically everyone is getting lumped into that even if it's not true. They see "McCabe 33 yr old" and just assume he's washed and slow when it's not true.

 

[nuck]

His value is whatever a team is willing to give up. You don't just say no to him. What if he gets injured this year? Then we are pooched

There has to be other moving parts in any McCabe deal for sure. Its probably not a hockey trade so once they commit to that they can pursue another lefty from any club in the league. Its not like they will deal Mo, OEL and McCabe and then start their search. They absolutely need to get younger if there is decent value coming back and IF the opportunity is there to add a player who can help them for more than two seasons,.

 

[dubplatepressure]

I understand Rielly moving on as a fresh start and his best ability just got replaced (PP time) and his defensive game is just too far gone.

Carlo isn't retained past this year, so he needs to be shopped heavily. He's also not very good.

Change is needed, and there will be changes. But McCabe is far too good and important to change... you'll be in very tough to replace what he does.

In my opinion Carlo should have been traded the week after that thing happened where he didn't stick up for Stolarz. No longer should those players be allowed to wear blue and white. If a couple of mid round picks is all we can muster for him then so be it. Bye bye.

 

[wingman75]

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That tag line made me actually LOL

Thank you for your humour!

 

[ULF_55]

Then you trade them... why wait for that to happen? Be proactive like the good teams in the NHL are... not hard

Two Questions:

1. If it makes the team better why wouldn't you trade them?
2. Who is replacing them to make the team better?

You have to answer both to get a passing grade.

 

[hockeywiz542]

One of them broke the Eklund deal, the other broke the Raddsyh deal, and the other broke the Byram deal.

Where does this come from?

 

[dubplatepressure]

Two Questions:

1. If it makes the team better why wouldn't you trade them?
2. Who is replacing them to make the team better?

You have to answer both to get a passing grade.

But you have until October to submit your answer.

 

[rumman]

You cannot have two many smallish players up front. Like to only play one or two of Domi, Maccelli, Cowan and Robertson and Cowan is a lock. At a reasonable number, I'd like to see what Maccelli can do under a new coach if we can't find a better option before the draft.

I'd like to see size with speed, no more lumbering wingers please.

 

[CtrlAltDel]

That tag line made me actually LOL

Thank you for your humour!

Lol. Glad you saw the humour in it. Just trying to keep things light on the board.

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

We'll see but we just saw what the Hawks gave up for what they feel is a top pairing defenseman. I understand the idea of grabbing assets to pivot, but pivoting off a guy like McCabe who is very good is going to be very hard especially with the style he plays, something the Leafs lack through the lineup already enough.

I don't see it even with the recent reporting, it makes little sense to me. Actually, it makes zero sense to me.

If we were rebuilding, then yeah sure, it makes all the sense in the world.

The Hawk trade is such an outlier it cannot be taken seriously. That was a trade by a GM who is feeling a ton of pressure and is not very good at his job. Look at his drafting record and his trade record. He got fleeced by a good GM in Jarmo.
McCabe is a good 4/5 and is exaxctly the type of asset the Leafs should be selling high on. I like McCabe's physicality and leadership but he is a redundancy in the lineup. It's him or OEL if this eam is really serious about building a winning team.

 

[definedMF]

Not to mention that Maccelli's QO is over 4 million. I think that is too much for what he brings.

40 points on a shit leafs team with a system like others pointed out COMPLETELY opposite to his skills at age 25? That kind of production has 50-60 on a good structure offense team, that is gonna cost you 4+ on the open market for a lot of the paydays coming. Either you trade him as a young asset for a bigger piece in a trade or you DEFINITELY sign him and hope he can bring that production at PP2 and middle 6ix minutes