Mickey Marner
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I don't really see the need for a vet defneseman unless it's retaining Bogosian. If one or both of Sandin/Liljegren fail to crack our 2021-22 roster they should be traded before their value depreciates completely.
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Menzinger
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I don't think you're going to see two rookies starting together on the same pairing. And I doubt either one of the rookies is able to start the season on the second pair. So I think they'll add one vet this off-season (ideally a resigned Bogo) with the intention of them being a starter
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Their trade value is irrelevant, if they are in the long-term roster plans, regardless of whether they crack the roster to begin next season.
I don't know who is most ready, but I agree with @Menzinger that they should have a veteran D partner, like a Bogo. It could be Bogo/Hakanpaa for Sandin, or a guy Oleksiak type guy to partner with Liljegren, depending on whom they feel is most ready.
kb
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Yep, but you need to insulate each of the young D with a steady vet, not a fringe NHL'er.
Dreakmur
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It is possible to mix pairs rather than have them all locked in.
Rather than Muzzin-Holl playing 25 shifts together and Sandin-Liljegren playing 15 shifts together, use the top guys to insulate.
Muzzin plays with Liljegren for 15 shifts. Holl plays with Sandin for 15 shifts. Muzzin and Holl play together for 10 shifts.
Neither rookie is out there without support, and the vets still play together in the most important situations.
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123offtheglass
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Jets sign Adam Lowry to five-year, $16.25M contract extension
Another signing that's good news in terms of trying to get Hyman to sign for cheap; that's a great deal for Winnipeg.
Another signing that's good news in terms of trying to get Hyman to sign for cheap; that's a great deal for Winnipeg.
123offtheglass
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Sounds like the truth to me; it'd be hard to back up an argument against that and likewise nobody has.
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Hyman is the fourth best pending UFA forward (behind Ovechkin, Landeskog, & Schwartz) and the perfect fit for the Leafs, but he likely will get paid less than a lot of the other guys (e.x. RNH, Hall, or even Gallagher who got 6.5m long-term) even though he's better than them. Hopefully he signs for cheap but the Leafs should be doing whatever they can to get him signed, within reason; hopefully he sings some extreme bargain deal (e.x. Iafallo or Perron @ 4mx4 a piece) but they shouldn't scoff at the ask in the case it isn't.
Hyman is the fourth best pending UFA forward (behind Ovechkin, Landeskog, & Schwartz) and the perfect fit for the Leafs, but he likely will get paid less than a lot of the other guys (e.x. RNH, Hall, or even Gallagher who got 6.5m long-term) even though he's better than them. Hopefully he signs for cheap but the Leafs should be doing whatever they can to get him signed, within reason; hopefully he sings some extreme bargain deal (e.x. Iafallo or Perron @ 4mx4 a piece) but they shouldn't scoff at the ask in the case it isn't.
If nylander makes marner redundant i'd love to know why he didn't make willy redundant yesterday? Does mcdavid make another c in drai redundant? Did crosby make malkin redundant? No one has responded because its a stupid premise.
Dreakmur
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How exactly does Adam Lowry - a guy who averages 10 goals and 20 points to per season - impact Zach Hunan’s contract?
123offtheglass
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Another quality pending UFA signing a bargain contract like this indirectly helps to lower the market price of Hyman (or keep it lower than it could be, had he signed for more).
Edit: No as much as Iafallo does (a very good comparable), but still a factor
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123offtheglass
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Nylander doesn't make Marner redundant; you must have misinterpreted what he said because that was never said.
I responded (and 2 people actually liked it, not that that's necessary for it to be logical), I think it's a good premise. It's not fair to say his premise is stupid when you clearly haven't even accurately interpreted what was said:
Stephen
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If we're looking at shifting money around and freeing up cap space, I think you have to keep an eye out for the quality of play Jake Muzzin brings over the next couple of years. That's a pretty big ticket item at a cog position that we can't afford as a declining piece. He's getting a little older, has a lot of mileage on him and if we go on a long run this year the wear and tear on him will be significant. Ideally you'd want to bail on that before his game really slips. So it's a tricky one to navigate.
Martin Skoula
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I don't know why they're not resting him and seeing what Dermott can do with his minutes yet, seems like an important thing to know going into the expansion draft. Not to mention having a rested and healthy Muzzin for the playoffs.
123offtheglass
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I really hope down the stretch we get to some of the guys get a night or 2 off. 1) to get guys rest, 2) to give other guys reps/opportunity, & 3) to see what works along with building early chemistry with linemates they'll likely have at some point down the stretch.
It'd good to get a look at pairings like Dermott-Holl, Sandin-Bogosian, Hutton-Liljegren etc...
Stephen
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The Leafs seem to spend a disproportionate amount of organizational resources, mental energy and creativity on the forward group rather than the defense. So much experimentation up front, but they just scrapped the Lehtonen experiment and rolled with their six pack.
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He has 0 points in 8 games with Columbus right now and had 3 with us. His defensive game was not good. The only thing we may have done differently was send him to the AHL similar to Galchenyuk, but he may not have wanted to do that. It's tough for him to adjust without a proper training camp. Same with Barabanov.
If the Leafs felt like he was good enough, they would have put him in. Dermott has played well for much of this year (and is 2.5 years younger) and we've had few injuries. Just wasn't going to happen.
I mean marner making nylander redundant. He absolutely does not. We need multiple skill players who can drive offens eon there lines.
123offtheglass
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Agreed, don't think either makes the other redundant.
Alot of quality free agents available. Zetterberg, Hossa, Dubinsky, Getzlaf, Bozak, Steen, Gaborik and more. Could pick up some good players!
Seriously though, crazy that all those names are available but they're well past their prime haha
Would love some of the players available from that list though.
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123offtheglass
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Yea a Nylander equivalent player that's a certain different type of player could be more effective for the Leafs but that exchange is much easier said than done; also feel like Dubas holds some value of holding onto his young core (and skill) & letting them grow together. Whether that player is Matthew Tkachuck, Tom Wilson, Roope Hintz, Anders Lee, PLD... One could say parts of Marner's game make parts of Nylander's game less valuable; another could say that's the best insurance you can get.
Personally I am a big Nylander fan and I think there's more to him if he puts it all together; I like holding onto him knowing there's upside, and in the meantime just building a roster around the core that best compliments them (the Folignos, Simmonds, Galchenyuk and other adds Dubas has made).
Definitely wouldn't trade him for the sake of trading him just because he isn't the perfect fit.
