Trade and Free Agency Thread - C'mon More Trades!

[Phion Keneuf]

If Hyman is asking 5mil, I'm looking someplace else.

i'd kick the tires on Saad, or Cizikas. also, see how Foligno works out maybe offer him a 2 year deal if things go well
perhaps take his $$ and Anderson's and throw it at Hamilton instead. (or Savard/Oleksiak/Gudbranson)

there are many ways to better use 5mil than Hyman, who is still a grinder who profits from his linemates (which admittedly many do not)

if its a 4x5 deal, sure, i'd consider it, but, that would be my hard roof.

If Hyman wants $5 mil I give it to him without any debate.

I think he’s worth every penny of that. $5 mil x 5 years is about what I think he’ll get

 

[SeaOfBlue]

If Hyman wants $5 mil I give it to him without any debate.

I think he’s worth every penny of that. $5 mil x 5 years is about what I think he’ll get

You think he is going to be worth that when he is in his 30's? Which is what he is for 4/5 of those years. The problem is not the first year... It's the fact that if you pay him 5 mill, he could easily be 2 mill overpaid by year 2 or 3 if he quickly regresses to what he did before last season (which is not an unreasonable expectation).

Our big 4 collectively is probably not even 2 mill overpaid right now.

 

[Mickey Marner]

There have been rumours that Ullmark wants to go to UFA too. I’d kick those tires as well.

I prefer him or Driedger as well, but could be a risk letting Rittich test free agency if we get neither. But I'm not in the know, I'm sure management has a good idea who their 1B will be next season.

 

[Fogelhund]

Current roster players, signed for next year.

Forwards

xxxx Matthews Marner
xxxx Tavares Nylander
Engvall Kerfoot Mikheyev

Current non-roster forwards signed.. who in theory could play for the Leafs

Robertson
Anderson
Brooks

UFA

Spezza
Thornton
Simmonds
Foligno
Galchenyuk
Sabourin
Hyman
Agostino
Kossila
Nash

RFA

Petan
Malgin

D-core

Rielly
Brodie
Muzzin
Holl

UFA

Bogosian
Marincin
Hutton
Rosen

RFA

Dermott

Goalies

Campbell
Hutch

UFA
Andersen
Rittich

RFA
Woll

Current Roster players, 13. Cap space, $13,302,717

It's going to be another tricky year, allocating not a lot of cap space.

 

[Fogelhund]

Here is where we would stand, for 2021/22, if Hyman signed for $5 million. I'm not saying that's what he is worth, just that is the number people have posted above. Signed Bogo and Spezza at their current rates. Need a goalie to replace Hutch there for sure. I'm not sure if Simmonds is back, could add him, Thornton is unlikely to play again... hopefully he gets his cup and retires. Could use more glue/grit guys for sure though, but they'd have to come cheap.

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
21	$81,500,000	$78,904,783	$0	$400,000	$2,595,217

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Roster

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Mikheyev, Ilya $1,645,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston $11,640,250 C UFA - 3	Marner, Mitchell $10,903,000 RW UFA - 4
Engvall, Pierre $1,250,000 LW, C RFA - 1	Tavares, John $11,000,000 C NMC UFA - 4	Nylander, William $6,962,366 RW, LW UFA - 3
Robertson, Nicholas $821,667 LW RFA - 2	Kerfoot, Alexander $3,500,000 C, LW UFA - 2	Anderson, Joey $750,000 RW RFA - 2
Hyman, Zach $5,000,000 LW, RW UFA	Brooks, Adam $725,000 C RFA - 1	Spezza, Jason $750,000 C, RW UFA

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Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000 LD NTC UFA - 3	Brodie, TJ $5,000,000 RD NTC UFA - 3	Campbell, Jack $1,650,000 G UFA - 1
Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 1	Holl, Justin $2,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Hutchinson, Michael $725,000 G UFA - 1
Sandin, Rasmus $894,167 LD RFA - 1	Liljegren, Timothy $863,333 RD RFA - 1
Bogosian, Zach $1,000,000 RD UFA

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[SeaOfBlue]

Everyone not in the Marlies' top 12/top 6 except for Scott is on an AHL deal (you need to give them money if you want them on the Capfriendly roster). Additionally, Gaudet, McKenna, and Elynuik are also on AHL deals.

Kerfoot is taken in expansion. I moved Malgin and Engvall (and Rubins as a contract dump) to Buffalo for a 3rd and a 4th. Moved Woll and Kivihalme to Arizona for Capobianco and a 5th.

Use the 1.5 mill to bridge any gaps in pay for next year. The plan would be to have Joey Anderson rotate with Spezza on B2B (Anderson goes to the 3rd line and Nash to the 4th line in Spezza's role) and occasionally step in for other guys (or injuries) as well. Also, while Okulov is technically the "4C", Spezza is taking all of the draws. Okulov is just handling the other duties.

Robertson is insurance in case anyone flops.

 

[Cor]

Leafs can afford Hyman at 5M. I don't believe it will require that much.

Hyman cares more about term, and the Leafs will likely give it to him, to lower the AAV as much as possible.

Pre-Season I predicted 5/6 years x 3.75M-4M.

Now I am thinking more in the 4-4.25 range

 

[Cor]

This is my projected roster as of now;

This roster has cap space of 3.1M to make upgrades or salary variations.

* Off the hop, the main spot I am looking at is 3C. Is there one we can sign for 3M or less? Engvall can slide down to L4C or L4LW. Or perhaps, we increase our budget to 4M for 3C and trade Engvall for a pick.

*Traded Dermott to LA (or other) for 2nd rounder, pre-expansion
*Seattle takes Alex Kerfoot in expansion
*Hyman is a 5/6 year deal. Rittich is 2. Bogosian, Hutton, Spezza, Nash, Galchenyuk are all 1.

 

[Jozay]

I can see Hyman getting 5-5.5 from a team like the Senators. He'll be 29, so I doubt it goes beyond 5 years.

6 years, 4aav will put the Leafs in neighbourhood of competitive offers, so if he wants to be a Leaf, he'll be a Leaf.

 

[Bloomberg]

This is my projected roster as of now;

This roster has cap space of 3.1M to make upgrades or salary variations.

* Off the hop, the main spot I am looking at is 3C. Is there one we can sign for 3M or less? Engvall can slide down to L4C or L4LW. Or perhaps, we increase our budget to 4M for 3C and trade Engvall for a pick.

*Traded Dermott to LA (or other) for 2nd rounder, pre-expansion
*Seattle takes Alex Kerfoot in expansion
*Hyman is a 5/6 year deal. Rittich is 2. Bogosian, Hutton, Spezza, Nash, Galchenyuk are all 1.

If we do well in the playoffs, then Nash who's making 2.75M won't come back for 0.95M. Galchenyuk also won't be a 1M player.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

If we do well in the playoffs, then Nash who's making 2.75M won't come back for 0.95M. Galchenyuk also won't be a 1M player.

They won't have much of a choice. There is not a lot of money out there, and they are fringe players. Fringe players make fringe money. If they won't take it, then someone similar to them will.

Galchenyuk has had a nice little resurgence, but he is still only a 0.5 PPG player with no defensive value and is playing with high end players. He is fighting to even get a contract of any kind at this point.

Nash is coming off of a major injury, hasn't been more than a decent 4C for 3 years now, and is in his 30's. He should not be getting more than 1 mill unless he has a huge playoffs.

 

[613Leafer]

If we do well in the playoffs, then Nash who's making 2.75M won't come back for 0.95M. Galchenyuk also won't be a 1M player.

Hard to say. It's expected to be a flat (or near flat) cap for a 2nd year in a row. Plenty of contracts last offseason were well below what they were expected to be.

 

[Mickey Marner]

If Hyman wants $5 mil I give it to him without any debate.

I think he’s worth every penny of that. $5 mil x 5 years is about what I think he’ll get

I'd do 5×5 as well, but I'm hoping for =<4.5, probably over 6 years. He's easily been worth that this year (and more) as he's been our 3rd best forward. He's also improved year-over-year every year of his career to an extreme degree. He's gone from a guy who would cause unforced turnovers by just stick handling to now driving a line and making power moves to the net. Pretty nuts.

 

[Mickey Marner]

I'd take Galchenyuk over Simmonds @1.5 AAV, but he's not a priority. I imagine we'll be looking to retain Foligno @2.5-3 instead. Robertson @793k will be helpful. Sending Kerfoot to Seattle and getting a natural 3C for 2-3 AAV should be top priority.

 

[CertifiedGoat]

The real question for the Leafs is do they re-sign Rielly or not.

Next year should be fine, but if Rielly gets his raise, things get tighter.

 

[4thline]

I'd take Galchenyuk over Simmonds @1.5 AAV, but he's not a priority. I imagine we'll be looking to retain Foligno @2.5-3 instead. Robertson @793k will be helpful. Sending Kerfoot to Seattle and getting a natural 3C for 2-3 AAV should be top priority.

Given the comments about Keefe specifically wanting a strong defensive RHS C if things go well this spring I could definitely see Nash be that player at 1.5-2, and have a relatively equal quality and minute bottom 6 rather than a line 3 and 4.

Agree at not ruling out a Foligno return. Yes he loves Columbus, but I don't read too much into him leaving his family there during a pandemic, especially when within a day of the trade Ontario schools went to online learning. He's got ties to TO, and I could see him get infected with Leaf Cup fever.

Which if that happens and Hyman continues solidifying himself at a great fit and legitimate top line player on JT's right, I come back to the unpopular idea of trading Nylander. Not because I don't like him, or don't think he's an exceptional player (I do, and he his) but because he's a high value piece with high cap leverage that might just become our 3rd most important RW.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Given the comments about Keefe specifically wanting a strong defensive RHS C if things go well this spring I could definitely see Nash be that player at 1.5-2, and have a relatively equal quality and minute bottom 6 rather than a line 3 and 4.

Agree at not ruling out a Foligno return. Yes he loves Columbus, but I don't read too much into him leaving his family there during a pandemic, especially when within a day of the trade Ontario schools went to online learning. He's got ties to TO, and I could see him get infected with Leaf Cup fever.

Which if that happens and Hyman continues solidifying himself at a great fit and legitimate top line player on JT's right, I come back to the unpopular idea of trading Nylander. Not because I don't like him, or don't think he's an exceptional player (I do, and he his) but because he's a high value piece with high cap leverage that might just become our 3rd most important RW.

That is how I designed my bottom 6, except Nash is splitting with Goodrow and Okulov is taking over Kerfoot's role (except he is on 2PP instead of 2PK). I wouldn't pay Nash that kind of money though.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Given the comments about Keefe specifically wanting a strong defensive RHS C if things go well this spring I could definitely see Nash be that player at 1.5-2, and have a relatively equal quality and minute bottom 6 rather than a line 3 and 4.

Agree at not ruling out a Foligno return. Yes he loves Columbus, but I don't read too much into him leaving his family there during a pandemic, especially when within a day of the trade Ontario schools went to online learning. He's got ties to TO, and I could see him get infected with Leaf Cup fever.

Which if that happens and Hyman continues solidifying himself at a great fit and legitimate top line player on JT's right, I come back to the unpopular idea of trading Nylander. Not because I don't like him, or don't think he's an exceptional player (I do, and he his) but because he's a high value piece with high cap leverage that might just become our 3rd most important RW.

I'm not sure Nash is that guy. He had one year playing up in the lineup with Boston (Pastrnak specifically), but I don't think he's the Staal/Bolland/Eller type of 3C you see on cup winners, at least IMO. He's also almost 32. It's unclear when the wheels will fall off, but it will be soon and I don't want it to be during his tenure as our pseudo-3C. Maybe he shows us enough to retain him these playoffs, but I wouldn't pencil him above 10-12 minutes 4C/PK'er. I think we still need that 13-15 minute 3C who can handle secondary matchups. Cizikas, Lowry, maybe Getzlaf are some options off the top of my head. Could always take a flyer on Nolan Patrick and try to mold him into our 3C.

Foligno said in an interview that he spends his summers in Sudbury, so I think we have a reasonable shot at re-signing to a fair deal, but it will likely be a what's best for the family decision with him, as well as price for us.

To me, trading Nylander has always seemed to be the penultimate move we must make before winning a cup, or at least since it became obvious Marner was better, but I agree a lot of people don't care to hear it, let alone discuss it. I don't anticipate a flattering return, but breaking him down in a three quarters for a dollar trade would likely give us a decent young roster player, an NHL-ready prospect and a pick that we can use as deadline capital, in addition to the cap space we can reallocate.

 

[Bloomberg]

I'm not sure Nash is that guy. He had one year playing up in the lineup with Boston (Pastrnak specifically), but I don't think he's the Staal/Bolland/Eller type of 3C you see on cup winners, at least IMO. He's also almost 32. It's unclear when the wheels will fall off, but it will be soon and I don't want it to be during his tenure as our pseudo-3C. Maybe he shows us enough to retain him these playoffs, but I wouldn't pencil him above 10-12 minutes 4C/PK'er. I think we still need that 13-15 minute 3C who can handle secondary matchups. Cizikas, Lowry, maybe Getzlaf are some options off the top of my head. Could always take a flyer on Nolan Patrick and try to mold him into our 3C.

Foligno said in an interview that he spends his summers in Sudbury, so I think we have a reasonable shot at re-signing to a fair deal, but it will likely be a what's best for the family decision with him, as well as price for us.

To me, trading Nylander has always seemed to be the penultimate move we must make before winning a cup, or at least since it became obvious Marner was better, but I agree a lot of people don't care to hear it, let alone discuss it. I don't anticipate a flattering return, but breaking him down in a three quarters for a dollar trade would likely give us a decent young roster player, an NHL-ready prospect and a pick that we can use as deadline capital, in addition to the cap space we can reallocate.

If we don't make it out of the Canadian Division or if we get crushed by the opposing team after getting out of the division, I could see Nylander being traded to re-structure the team.

 

[Mickey Marner]

If we don't make it out of the Canadian Division or if we get crushed by the opposing team after getting out of the division, I could see Nylander being traded to re-structure the team.

It would honestly be best for his value if we were successful and he played well. That would make people want to trade him less obviously, but his play isn't really a problem, it's just that there are far better ways to allocate 7 million than a ~16 minute per game RW.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Leafs can afford Hyman at 5M. I don't believe it will require that much.

Hyman cares more about term, and the Leafs will likely give it to him, to lower the AAV as much as possible.

Pre-Season I predicted 5/6 years x 3.75M-4M.

Now I am thinking more in the 4-4.25 range

Honestly if we can fill our other holes and it works out for both sides, I'm wondering if we could give Hyman a 1 year extension at an elevated AAV ($7-7.5M) so he get's his money and then we extend him long term to a deal after with a much lower AAV.

Obviously a huge overpayment for that 1 year but it rewards him for being the workhorse he is and doesn't hurt our cap situation going forward.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

The real question for the Leafs is do they re-sign Rielly or not.

Next year should be fine, but if Rielly gets his raise, things get tighter.

Well his raise is probably going to be less than Hyman's (or equivalent if Hyman takes a hometown discount). Rielly may take a cut to stay here too. He is the #1 on a really good team after all.

Either way, we are either paying a lot to keep Rielly, or paying a lot to replace him. We are not replacing Rielly with an ELC or bargain bin guy, and we probably can't replace him with a guy making less or even slightly more than what he is currently making. We are likely spending 6 mill at least to get a guy capable of playing 1D like he can, and I don't anticipate Rielly making more than 6.5 mill on his next deal.

 

[showtime8]

Well his raise is probably going to be less than Hyman's (or equivalent if Hyman takes a hometown discount). Rielly may take a cut to stay here too. He is the #1 on a really good team after all.

Either way, we are either paying a lot to keep Rielly, or paying a lot to replace him. We are not replacing Rielly with an ELC or bargain bin guy, and we probably can't replace him with a guy making less or even slightly more than what he is currently making. We are likely spending 6 mill at least to get a guy capable of playing 1D like he can, and I don't anticipate Rielly making more than 6.5 mill on his next deal.

Why would Rielly take a pay cut or a hometown discount when no other player on the team has done it?

I think you have to pay Rielly and then figure it out after. There isn't anyone else on the roster that is pushing him for his #1 spot, so really he's in the drivers seat.

 

[New Liskeard]

If Hyman wants $5 mil I give it to him without any debate.

I think he’s worth every penny of that. $5 mil x 5 years is about what I think he’ll get

Overpay IMO, his physical abilities will decline over time, making him less impactful.

 

[Menzinger]

Leafs can afford Hyman at 5M. I don't believe it will require that much.

Hyman cares more about term, and the Leafs will likely give it to him, to lower the AAV as much as possible.

Pre-Season I predicted 5/6 years x 3.75M-4M.

Now I am thinking more in the 4-4.25 range

Hyman is putting up career offensive numbers right at the age range where guys tend to peak and then decline offensively. That's a very easy way to get burned on a contract.

That said I'm not expecting it to be too sticky of an issue, I think he'll get term from management (like 6 or 7 years) onna front loaded deal with a reasonable caphit.