GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART VI

[thusk]

I think anyone they bring in that's not an impact player on either forward or D will be a waste of assets. At this point on forward you're replacing either Spezza or Simmonds, might as well swing for the fences at that point and make someone like Kase/Mikheyev slide down to the 4th line with Spezza and Engvall.

I know everyone likes Manson and the idea of a big mean tough guy, but if Hampus Lindholm is up for trade as a pending UFA, he's someone I take over Manson anyday, a true legit top 4 d-man to play with Muzzin.

But lindholm is a good candidate for a trade and resign, a easyly see a team like NYR being agressive ob him and try to give him an extension before any trade happen. Just imagine a guy like lindholm playing with fox. So maybe unstead a 1st and b prospect, probably team will accept to give a 1st pick and a A prospect for a lindholm extended

Giving a 1st round and a A prospect for a lindholm or like a 2nd pick and a B prospect like abramov for manson, i choose manson.

 

[Scion]

I think anyone they bring in that's not an impact player on either forward or D will be a waste of assets. At this point on forward you're replacing either Spezza or Simmonds, might as well swing for the fences at that point and make someone like Kase/Mikheyev slide down to the 4th line with Spezza and Engvall.

I know everyone likes Manson and the idea of a big mean tough guy, but if Hampus Lindholm is up for trade as a pending UFA, he's someone I take over Manson anyday, a true legit top 4 d-man to play with Muzzin.

Lindholm would be amazing, but the Leafs have no chance of retaining him in the off-season, and rentals make no sense unless the COA is low. I also don't know why Anaheim wouldn't re-up him themselves.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

It's really too bad two of top trade chips have lost significant value: Amirov and Robertson from being injured all year. Other teams will be circling in on our 1st, Knies and Niemla now.

 

[showtime8]

Morgan so prone to the same mistakes- if you watched the jersey goal the other night he lifted his leg out of the way instead of blocking the shot like most dmenall dmen are prone to a bad m mistake even norris winners

The game was already out of hand. I'd rather give up a goal in a blowout than lose him to injury with a broken foot. That's likely what he was thinking as well.

 

[ULF_55]

CLAUSE DETAILS: Starting July 1, 2023: Player submits a 10 team no trade list.

So Muzzin doesn't have a NTC until July 1st. 2023?

Like him, but his injuries seem to be happening more frequently or is that just perception?

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

What are the chances Muzzin is LTIR'd for the last year of his deal regardless of the team he's on

 

[TMLAM34]

It's really too bad two of top trade chips have lost significant value: Amirov and Robertson from being injured all year. Other teams will be circling in on our 1st, Knies and Niemla now.

Still plenty of time until March 21st deadline. Robertson is back and played yesterday.

 

[Deebo]

CLAUSE DETAILS: Starting July 1, 2023: Player submits a 10 team no trade list.

So Muzzin doesn't have a NTC until July 1st. 2023?

Like him, but his injuries seem to be happening more frequently or is that just perception?

He has a full NTC until then, when it turns into a limited NTC.

 

[ULF_55]

He has a full NTC until then, when it turns into a limited NTC.

Oh, correct, I was reading the clause not the chart.

NMC
NTC
NTC modified

So he could be demoted, but that doesn't help with his contract.

 

[Judas Tavares]

I think both Giroux and Pavelski would be fun and interesting options, though both would be a bit of a luxury.

Both have plenty of playoff experience and they can both play centre and wing. But, both have huge cap hits.

Wondering if you go that route, if you go for Hertl. He can also play centre and wing and also has a lot of playoff experience. He's also younger and has a smaller cap hit. Price to acquire him may be a bunch higher though.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

I have to say that Severson and Manson do seem have the profile of a D man who'd improve our team. Shoot right, tall, career positive in Corsi and Fenwick. Neither feel like the missing piece.

I'm still thinking a 25 goal scorer would be a bigger overall addition to the team.

 

[showtime8]

He’s been referred to as their worst D this year.

Both Petry and Chiarot have averaged the most minutes on one of the worst teams in the league. I think you have to take his numbers this year with a grain of salt because they have no goaltending and no help up front.

To me, I think you run in to the Muzzin problem. He's on a bigger ticket and he's not getting any faster.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I have to say that Severson and Manson do seem have the profile of a D man who'd improve our team. Shoot right, tall, career positive in Corsi and Fenwick. Neither feel like the missing piece.

I'm still thinking a 25 goal scorer would be a bigger overall addition to the team.

I mean sure, those things are nice. But they also literally describe Justin Holl...

Justin Holl was bad for the first 7 games of this year. He was scratched, and since then, he has been one of the better defensemen in the NHL. He had some missteps in the middle there, but for a guy who plays extremely tough minutes and for how inconsistent Muzzin has been, he has been really good... And better than every suggestion people have made to replace him.

 

[Fogelhund]

Both Petry and Chiarot have averaged the most minutes on one of the worst teams in the league. I think you have to take his numbers this year with a grain of salt because they have no goaltending and no help up front.

To me, I think you run in to the Muzzin problem. He's on a bigger ticket and he's not getting any faster.

Petry isn't the right answer to our needs, but Chiarot is the type of player we could use. He just doesn't want to come here, so next.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

I mean sure, those things are nice. But they also literally describe Justin Holl...

Justin Holl was bad for the first 7 games of this year. He was scratched, and since then, he has been one of the better defensemen in the NHL. He had some missteps in the middle there, but for a guy who plays extremely tough minutes and for how inconsistent Muzzin has been, he has been really good... And better than every suggestion people have made to replace him.

Which is why I prefer adding a forward

 

[ACC1224]

Which is why I prefer adding a forward

I think the forwards are more than fine. Upgrading the defense is a must or it's probably another quick exit, IMO.

 

[Ashdown2]

Petry isn't the right answer to our needs, but Chiarot is the type of player we could use. He just doesn't want to come here, so next.

that soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo wrong in so many ways ........
chariott sucks and is a less than 1 dimensional player. leafs fans only remember him because of 1 series were all he did was cross check people for 7 games and not much else.


petry is a complete defensman and great at everything. hes having a down year points wise but is still a + player in non empty net situations (on the worst team in the league !!) .. meanwhile charioot is -20 ffs. also go see how many hits petry and chariott have per game ... now go look who takes more stupid minor penalties ...


people need to stop clamoring for chariot.... the guy is complete garbage. id rather get luke schenn if you want a defensive defensman who handles the puck like a hand grenade

 

[Martin Skoula]

I have to say that Severson and Manson do seem have the profile of a D man who'd improve our team. Shoot right, tall, career positive in Corsi and Fenwick. Neither feel like the missing piece.

I'm still thinking a 25 goal scorer would be a bigger overall addition to the team.

I have no idea how anyone could want Severson after those games against NJ. Why pay to acquire him when he already handed us 4 points for free?

 

[aingefan]

I have no idea how anyone could want Severson after those games against NJ. Why pay to acquire him when he already handed us 4 points for free?

Because the team always gets two points when he plays?

 

[Fogelhund]

that soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo wrong in so many ways ........
chariott sucks and is a less than 1 dimensional player. leafs fans only remember him because of 1 series were all he did was cross check people for 7 games and not much else.


petry is a complete defensman and great at everything. hes having a down year points wise but is still a + player in non empty net situations (on the worst team in the league !!) .. meanwhile charioot is -20 ffs. also go see how many hits petry and chariott have per game ... now go look who takes more stupid minor penalties ...


people need to stop clamoring for chariot.... the guy is complete garbage. id rather get luke schenn if you want a defensive defensman who handles the puck like a hand grenade

I'm not sure if you didn't read what I posted, or somehow just lack the capability to understand it.

I said we needed a physical guy like Chiarot, but that he wouldn't be coming here. At no point did I endorse him, as there is no point.

Petry has been a good D man in the past, yes is terrible now, and carries a $6.25 mil contract for three years after this. It's doubtful we could fit him in, and with the regression in his game, that's pretty scary making that bet.... and while you can count hits, he isn't the most physical, not does he stand up for team mates..

nice spectating job on Kassian after he takes out the Habs goalie.

Martin takes out Petry, and watches as other players stick up for him.

 

[Kurtz]

Petry isn't the right answer to our needs, but Chiarot is the type of player we could use. He just doesn't want to come here, so next.

Friedman said that there was mutual interest between Chiarot and the Leafs when he was a free agent.

“Again, I think that the Maple Leafs will be patient and not overreact to some of the things that have been happening lately. But the reason I mention Toronto specifically is that I believe that when [Ben] Chiarot was an unrestricted free agent, and he signed with Montreal, Toronto was in there. And they just couldn’t make it work. But they liked him, he was interested in them, and he is a local guy.”

The Maple Leafs were once in on Ben Chiarot, but shouldn’t be this time around

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Why should we acquire a Forward when scoring isn't a problem?
-The last two years we lost our playoff series because we couldn't score. If 2 of the core four are shutdown or hurt our team is in trouble. Perhaps Kase and 2022 Ilya are enough depth, but perhaps they are not.

Why Severson?
-He's on a bad team and his possession numbers look good, and he's playing over 23 minutes a night. His Corsi and Fenwick are both over 50% for this season. Sounds like a case is being made for a buy low option. If he's overpriced than obviously we should just pass.

 

[Ashdown2]

I'm not sure if you didn't read what I posted, or somehow just lack the capability to understand it.

I said we needed a physical guy like Chiarot, but that he wouldn't be coming here. At no point did I endorse him, as there is no point.

Petry has been a good D man in the past, yes is terrible now, and carries a $6.25 mil contract for three years after this. It's doubtful we could fit him in, and with the regression in his game, that's pretty scary making that bet.... and while you can count hits, he isn't the most physical, not does he stand up for team mates..

nice spectating job on Kassian after he takes out the Habs goalie.

Martin takes out Petry, and watches as other players stick up for him.

ur really going to post things from this year on a lost season, hes mailed it in and still have better underlining stats than chariott ? u want me to post random videos of him playing like an allstar last year ?
if u could get Petry with a little retention i would take him over all the leafs dmen not named Morgan, hes 100x better than brodie in every facet of the game.

on to your main point though .... what im trying to say is I would take a overall great dman that is great at everything over a guy that is just a "physical defensman".
carolina and colorado have some of the least "aggressive" dmen in the league , but the skill on that backend is insane 1 through 6. ...

 

[meefer]

I'd like to see the Leafs acquire a F who can support an upgrade for the 3rd line. A player who makes us a threat 3 lines deep. We have the depth to make that player's impact substantial. I would prefer someone who is comfortable at C.

Our D needs are substantially tied to how Muzzin can perform going forward. If he can return to what he was, or close to it, a defensively inclined D who is an upgrade on Holl would be perfect.

Give me Girioux and DeMilo and I'd be very happy.

In my dream world, if I could somehow swap Ritchie for Crouse...

Half way through the season and I feel confident saying that we are close. Some will suggest we leverage towards multiple season contention, I'm leaning towards chips all in.

Please understand, that in my 6th decade of cheering for this team, I fear my time is running out. We've got a strong core, I'm all in gawddamnit!

 

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