Taking stock of where we are

[JungleBeat]

Outside of Brady and Drake, this roster does not have legitimate wingers who drive play. And although the centre depth is fantastic, it's far from durable. This team's forwards are, today and into the future, its weakness.

Does Brady really drive play? He’s more of a complimentary piece to a very good centre. He can’t carry a line and playmake.

 

[PlayOn]

Does Brady really drive play? He’s more of a complimentary piece to a very good centre. He can’t carry a line and playmake.

Yes he does. Any line Brady is on is productive. Just watch Norris and Batherson without him 5v5 if you wonder if he drives play.

He’s been on the best line the Sens ice for years now, year after year. It’s not a coincidence. He creates space for players which is a huge piece of making any line click.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

In a weird way I think Norris and Batherson's great 2021-2022 seasons may have done more harm than good for this team long-term. It convinced management the rebuild was done(hence Dorion trading 1st rounders) when in reality we needed another high end forward.

 

[DrEasy]

In a weird way I think Norris and Batherson's great 2021-2022 seasons may have done more harm than good for this team long-term. It convinced management the rebuild was done(hence Dorion trading 1st rounders) when in reality we needed another high end forward.

I think it's their injuries that quite literally harmed them (and the team) more than anything. They're not the same players they were pre-injury.

 

[Boud]

I think it's their injuries that quite literally harmed them (and the team) more than anything. They're not the same players they were pre-injury.

For Norris when healthy I think he looks very similar. Right before his injury he started playing differently than he did to start the season. It felt like he turned the corner a little bit and was playing more confidently. He still doesn’t take slappers or one-timers so that definitely affects his game but he can still be very good. Him and Pinto were dynamic on the PK and overall he was playing really well and fast. I think there has always been questions about him being worth his contract, even when it was signed, but if he can stay healthy and play at his best he will be worth it. Especially with the cap going up.

For Batherson it’s really hard to tell what’s going on with him. He’s always been incredibly streaky outside of that half season before the Dell injury. That season he did look like a completely different player. I have a feeling he’s just not that good. He has all the tools to be an all-star player but he just doesn’t have that extra gear in him. Some nights he looks great but half of the nights he literally doesn’t do anything. Last game is the perfect example. We have 3 forwards out, it’s his time to shine and he comes out of the game with 0 shots on goal(!).

I wouldn’t say he’s lazy but there’s just something missing with him. He’s gone after his contract is over anyways. No way I would give him 7M+ and that’s likely what he’s getting. I have a strong sentiment he’s gone this offseason. It’s time to capitalize on his value when teams will see 2 more years at 4.9M and he’s not driving the play enough for us.

To me Batherson needs to go. He’s not good enough. He’s a conplimentary player that doesn’t do enough when he’s not putting up points. I’ve always been a big Batherson fan and I think he could give a lot more. I would swap him for a Bennett type player in an instant. We need someone who plays the same style and that brings value when not scoring. I see Batherson as the perfect type of player for a contending team. Put him with a Barkov/Mackinnon/McDavid type player and he’ll give you 90 points.

For us we just need that well rounded 50 point player that plays the exact same game every night.

 

[Yak]

For Norris when healthy I think he looks very similar. Right before his injury he started playing differently than he did to start the season. It felt like he turned the corner a little bit and was playing more confidently. He still doesn’t take slappers or one-timers so that definitely affects his game but he can still be very good. Him and Pinto were dynamic on the PK and overall he was playing really well and fast. I think there has always been questions about him being worth his contract, even when it was signed, but if he can stay healthy and play at his best he will be worth it. Especially with the cap going up.

For Batherson it’s really hard to tell what’s going on with him. He’s always been incredibly streaky outside of that half season before the Dell injury. That season he did look like a completely different player. I have a feeling he’s just not that good. He has all the tools to be an all-star player but he just doesn’t have that extra gear in him. Some nights he looks great but half of the nights he literally doesn’t do anything. Last game is the perfect example. We have 3 forwards out, it’s his time to shine and he comes out of the game with 0 shots on goal(!).

I wouldn’t say he’s lazy but there’s just something missing with him. He’s gone after his contract is over anyways. No way I would give him 7M+ and that’s likely what he’s getting. I have a strong sentiment he’s gone this offseason. It’s time to capitalize on his value when teams will see 2 more years at 4.9M and he’s not driving the play enough for us.

To me Batherson needs to go. He’s not good enough. He’s a conplimentary player that doesn’t do enough when he’s not putting up points. I’ve always been a big Batherson fan and I think he could give a lot more. I would swap him for a Bennett type player in an instant. We need someone who plays the same style and that brings value when not scoring. I see Batherson as the perfect type of player for a contending team. Put him with a Barkov/Mackinnon/McDavid type player and he’ll give you 90 points.

For us we just need that well rounded 50 point player that plays the exact same game every night.

Batherson has been a bargain. You are not going to get a player like him at that price. You definitely keep your ears open to see if there's something out there. However, you're not going to probably replace him with the same type of output at that price.

I totally agree that he disappears for a long periods of games and long parts of a game. He is completely invisible.

Putting him and Norris on the same line with Brady is the only way to hold the both of them accountable because Brady drives the play and drags them into playing better. It's really the only way to make sure that Norris and batherson are on top of their game. When they play with Timmy they're just waiting for Timmy to feed them the puck. When they play with Brady they know they got to get involved because Brady's going to force it.

We're in a really weird situation for both of them. I'm not sure we get the value for what they're worth to the team and the chemistry, but they definitely can be floaters very often. Don't get me wrong when these guys are on. They're hot but they are not consistent. I understand guys are not going to be consistent all the time but it's not like these guys are very complementary to Brady or Timmy all the time. If you put them with some of the greatest players in the league mcdavid's going to bounce pucks off of you and they're going to go in. Our great players are not that level.

Staois has his work cut out for him. I'm not even sure anymore. We bring in a great goalie and he starts getting injured and not playing at his level. We have some great players but they're not playing up to their potential. We have some really great defensemen but times we look like we have all rookies on this team. Certainly frustrating. I guess that's just hockey.

 

[mysens]

The team had an off day yesterday and were at the annual Senators Foundation Gala, they looked like they had a great time and were relieved to spend time with their significant others. Tight bunch off the ice. They were all pumped to get the whole team back and healthy and taste the playoff spot.

 

[OD99]

The team had an off day yesterday and were at the annual Senators Foundation Gala, they looked like they had a great time and were relieved to spend time with their significant others. Tight bunch off the ice. They were all pumped to get the whole team back and healthy and taste the playoff spot.

That's great, but if it doesn't translate to the ice then it's just a bunch of athletes having a night with some well off fans.

If there isn't improvement, quickly, then all the good vibes earlier means absolutely nothing.

 

[lancepitlick]

Does Brady really drive play? He’s more of a complimentary piece to a very good centre. He can’t carry a line and plplaymake.

He does not. He's like a Dave Anderchyuck that hits/fights. Great player, but he needs pieces around him to put him in advantageous positions.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

In a weird way I think Norris and Batherson's great 2021-2022 seasons may have done more harm than good for this team long-term. It convinced management the rebuild was done(hence Dorion trading 1st rounders) when in reality we needed another high end forward.

That's the trickiest part of a rebuild...remaining patient when a team looks like it's starting to turn the corner. And we definitely flubbed up on that part of it.

 

[slamigo]

The slide will continue. I don't think this group has the mentality for winning. The country club needs a shake up.