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GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART V

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Should the Leafs try to sign Kadri this off-season?

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WTFMAN99 said:
I think Soucy *can* play both sides but has been mostly playing LD on Seattle this year.

Although now on RD with Giordano as his partner...he'd be a great add for us if the price was right.
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He can play the right-side. His numbers don't suffer at all when he switches sides either. Soucy's played the RS for MIN with a weaker LD in Brad Hunt and still maintained his level of play.

I've mentioned him here before but this board's consensus is that he's a bottom pair D and not an upgrade on Holl. I disagree and think he's a decisive upgrade on Holl while also being cheaper than other rumoured players who will cost more to acquire only to have a similar impact (e.g. Manson, Mayfield, etc.).

What's most interesting about Soucy, aside from the boxes he checks on the defensive side, is that he's sneaky good offensively and has some untapped potential there despite his age.
 
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I'm high on Soucy but I don't think the argument is whether or not he is better than Holl. But I'm not sure Soucy is anymore of a top 4 D man than Holl is. Both are properly slotted on the 3rd pair on a legit contender.

As for Chiarot, people claiming a broken down 36 year old Shea Weber carried Chiarot all the way to the cup finals is absolutely outrageous. The two complimented each other perfectly. With that said, I have no interest in giving up a 1st for Chiarot and don't imagine Dubas will either.
 
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Dubas will probably only bring in one defender but I really don't think that will be enough. We need two guys like Soucy Mayfield or lybushkin. Preferably cheap guys with one more year on their contracts
 
Leafs interested in bringing in someone with term according to Chris Johnston on insider trading.

Severson, Mayfield and Soucy are the guys that immediately come to mind.
 
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jaric1862 said:
Leafs interested in bringing in someone with term according to Chris Johnston on insider trading.

Severson, Mayfield and Soucy are the guys that immediately come to mind.
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To me my mind jumped to Severson right away.

it’s possible it could be Mayfield or Soucy, but that’s largely just moving deck chairs around.
 
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Dreger also says the Leafs are among teams are interested in Chychrun but adds that it would likely be a tough fit.

LA, Florida, Anaheim, Boston & St Louis are the teams most interested according to Dreger.
 
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Knies iT said:
He can play the right-side. His numbers don't suffer at all when he switches sides either. Soucy's played the RS for MIN with a weaker LD in Brad Hunt and still maintained his level of play.

I've mentioned him here before but this board's consensus is that he's a bottom pair D and not an upgrade on Holl. I disagree and think he's a decisive upgrade on Holl while also being cheaper than other rumoured players who will cost more to acquire only to have a similar impact (e.g. Manson, Mayfield, etc.).

What's most interesting about Soucy, aside from the boxes he checks on the defensive side, is that he's sneaky good offensively and has some untapped potential there despite his age.
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I like that if Muzzin were to go down again, we could potentially survive.

TheShape said:
I'm high on Soucy but I don't think the argument is whether or not he is better than Holl. But I'm not sure Soucy is anymore of a top 4 D man than Holl is. Both are properly slotted on the 3rd pair on a legit contender.

As for Chiarot, people claiming a broken down 36 year old Shea Weber carried Chiarot all the way to the cup finals is absolutely outrageous. The two complimented each other perfectly. With that said, I have no interest in giving up a 1st for Chiarot and don't imagine Dubas will either.
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Soucy is playing top pairing literally right now with good metrics.

Holl is doing it with poor metrics and has had poor metrics minus Muzzin in that role every time.
 
SprDaVE said:
I liked this one this article for 2 of the 3 points. Talks about going for Severson and trading Ritchie for Del Zotto to save buried cap space.

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2022/01/25/a-plan-for-the-maple-leafs-trade-deadline/
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Severson is the guy I want.

Would have to move out Ritchie then likely include Holl in the trade, and the cost would be high, but it's worth it.

A solid top 4 RHD that can PK and move the puck effectively at 4.16 x 1.5 years? sign me up.
 
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WTFMAN99 said:
I like that if Muzzin were to go down again, we could potentially survive.



Soucy is playing top pairing literally right now with good metrics.

Holl is doing it with poor metrics and has had poor metrics minus Muzzin in that role every time.
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Again, I'm a fan of Soucy but this is a small sample size. If Dubas is shelling out assets for a top 4D I think it's going to be someone who is a sure thing, like Muzzin was or Brodie via UFA.
 
Whatever we decide to do to bolster the blueline, I wouldn't mind taking a crack at Luke Schenn as the Bogosian replacement. Makes $850K this year and next though I guess he must be pretty settled in BC at this point in his career, coming off two Stanley Cups.
 
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Cor said:
To me my mind jumped to Severson right away.

it’s possible it could be Mayfield or Soucy, but that’s largely just moving deck chairs around.
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BeLeafing said:
Severson is the guy I want.

Would have to move out Ritchie then likely include Holl in the trade, and the cost would be high, but it's worth it.

A solid top 4 RHD that can PK and move the puck effectively at 4.16 x 1.5 years? sign me up.
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Same. I prefer him over Chychrun. Right handed, a long history of very good underlying numbers and playing some good minutes. Really good defensively and capable offensively. He'd be a huge upgrade over Holl in the same minutes.

I'd probably dangle Liljegren, a prospect like Holmgren and a first for Severson if he comes with retention and/or they take a dump like Ritchie. Not sure exactly but I think this gets you in the ballpark for him.
 
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TheShape said:
Again, I'm a fan of Soucy but this is a small sample size. If Dubas is shelling out assets for a top 4D I think it's going to be someone who is a sure thing, like Muzzin was or Brodie via UFA.
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You want the 100% sure thing, you pay the 100% sure thing price tag...Soucy would likely be a reasonably priced acquisition...or at least I am assuming so.

Overdrive I think was correct in saying that the Leafs won't survive with this D core against either Tampa or Florida. The excuse of facing a better or more experienced team is 100% gone at this point.

SprDaVE said:
Same. I prefer him over Chychrun. Right handed, a long history of very good underlying numbers and playing some good minutes. Really good defensive and capable of offensively.

I'd probably dangle Liljegren, a prospect like Holmgren or Abruzzese maybe and a first for Severson if he comes with retention and/or they take a dump like Ritchie. Not sure exactly but I think this gets you in the ballpark for him.
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I am fairly confident in fairly short order Severson would drive you mad. Just really dumb and poor hockey IQ. Not Ristolainen bad but not far off either, just Severson had the benefit of not wasting many years in a tire fire like Buffalo to only further worsen things.
 
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SprDaVE said:
Same. I prefer him over Chychrun. Right handed, a long history of very good underlying numbers and playing some good minutes. Really good defensive and capable of offensively.

I'd probably dangle Liljegren, a prospect like Holmgren or Abruzzese maybe and a first for Severson if he comes with retention and/or they take a dump like Ritchie. Not sure exactly but I think this gets you in the ballpark for him.
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With you on him over Chychrun. Quite honestly I don't see Chychrun as a realistic option considering the side he plays and the extremely high cost. I also question his fit stylistically as he shoots a lot for a defenseman. Could be cause he has nobody to pass to, or could just be who he is. Either way that isn't how Toronto plays.

Severson would give us at least 2 strong playoff runs, and has had a better season to this point than Chychrun (you can argue the Coyotes hurt him, and fair, but it's still a matter of fact).

I'm hard pressed to find a better fit potentially available.
 
SprDaVE said:
Same. I prefer him over Chychrun. Right handed, a long history of very good underlying numbers and playing some good minutes. Really good defensively and capable offensively. He'd be a huge upgrade over Holl in the same minutes.

I'd probably dangle Liljegren, a prospect like Holmgren and a first for Severson if he comes with retention and/or they take a dump like Ritchie. Not sure exactly but I think this gets you in the ballpark for him.
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That’s definitely around the ballpark of what’d they have to pay. Severson would be great on this team.
 
Friedman says we're interested in Chiarot and had serious interest in him in the past. Would be ideal. Just the type of defenseman we need.

Manson would be the other option.
 
Leafs - Coyotes
Travis Dermott, Matthew Knies, Topi Niemela, Alex Kerfoot & 1st
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Jakob Chychrun & Lawson Crouse

Crouse - Matthews - Marner
Bunting - Tavares - Nylander
Mikheyev - Kampf - Kase
Engvall - Spezza - Simmonds
Ritchie

Rielly - Brodie
Chychrun - Sandin
Muzzin - Liljigren
Holl
 
BeLeafing said:
With you on him over Chychrun. Quite honestly I don't see Chychrun as a realistic option considering the side he plays and the extremely high cost. I also question his fit stylistically as he shoots a lot for a defenseman. Could be cause he has nobody to pass to, or could just be who he is. Either way that isn't how Toronto plays.

Severson would give us at least 2 strong playoff runs, and has had a better season to this point than Chychrun (you can argue the Coyotes hurt him, and fair, but it's still a matter of fact).

I'm hard pressed to find a better fit potentially available.
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So we're turning Chychrun down now because his shot totals are too high? Chychrun is pretty dynamic offensively, he's capable of playing any system Keefe wants.

Are you sure you guys are talking about the right Chychrun in this thread? Doesn't seem like it.
 
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X66 said:
Pretty solid on a bad team, but hope that offence can translate to being better on a good team because I don't want the puck dying on his stick every play.

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Now this is the guy I want...

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If you watch Lyubushkin, he's a pretty good skater and has decent stick skill. I think surrounded by better players, in a better system, he will hold his own as a puck mover.

I haven't felt this way about a defender since Dylan Demelo was on San Jose and I wanted the Leafs to get him. I posted about it here then too!
 
Guy Boucher said:
If you watch Lyubushkin, he's a pretty good skater and has decent stick skill. I think surrounded by better players, in a better system, he will hold his own as a puck mover.

I haven't felt this way about a defender since Dylan Demelo was on San Jose and I wanted the Leafs to get him. I posted about it here then too!
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I wanted DeMelo too when he was in San Jose. The next one might be Mario Ferraro.
 
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Shooter2x said:
So we're turning Chychrun down now because his shot totals are too high? Chychrun is pretty dynamic offensively, he's capable of playing any system Keefe wants.

Are you sure you guys are talking about the right Chychrun in this thread? Doesn't seem like it.
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I'm merely pointing out an aspect of his game that leads me to wonder if he has a tendency that would need to be adjusted if he was on this team. What exactly is wrong with that? It's not the only thing that would lead me to wanting Severson over him. It's primarily the cost of acquisition that strays me away from Chychrun. It is just one thing I notice.
 
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