GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART V

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Hard to imagine us not overpaying for someone because we'd need them to retain so much cash. Always feels like you're getting fleeced when you have to pay assets for retention. We might see a good player go for what looks like a bad trade just because the team either doesn't retain, or not significantly retaining.

The cap is the anti-fun clause.

 

[ACC1224]

March 21 I believe

Thanks, still a ways away then.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I'm going to have to disagree with you there. This is the year to go all in. If we don't win anything there will be major changes. At the personnel level and at the management level. Put all the chips on the table.

I think they should go after Chychrun. Not only is he an excellent two way defenseman but he fits the playing style of this team. Cost? Something similar to Sandin, Robertson, and a 1st. Worth it IMO. He is a top pairing d-man on a hell of a contract. The way this team is structured, both cap wise and player wise, adding Chychrun might very well be the most effective improvement possible. You aren't going to find a better defenseman in that price range, and certainly not in that price range long term. The only issue here would be the cap. Dermott and Holl would probably both have to go. Not good considering the depth is already an issue

Chychrun is heavily overrated, and why should the Leafs be compelled to completely gut their team to add him? We are already committing to Rielly and Muzzin. We don't need another top 4 LD, and especially don't need one who is unreliable in his own end.

Teams that win do not need to push all of their chips forward every year. In fact, more winning teams don't make major moves at the TDL than those who do. Adding a marginal upgrade to Holl like a Chiarot, Soucy, or Manson is not going to be the difference between the Leafs winning and losing. In fact, I don't think there is any rental or guy with term which is going to really make a huge difference for us. Our success comes down to the guys who are already here stepping up and playing to their capabilities. If we do that, we have about as good of a chance as anyone in this league to win the Cup. If they don't, then spending assets on pricey rentals would have been a complete waste.

 

[stickty111]

I'm not buying Dubas is all that interested on Chariot at least not yet.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I'm not buying Dubas is all that interested on Chariot at least not yet.

Only way I see it is if Muzzin is gone for the rest of the year, which I doubt.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Only way I see it is if Muzzin is gone for the rest of the year, which I doubt.

I mean I don't think one is required for the other to take place. It's obviously a good call in principle to go out and find a depth defenseman. Dermott and Holl have both underperformed and Muzzin is shaky; enough cause to motivate an acquisition regardless of Muzzin's status. The state of Muzzin's status only serves to inform the quality of the acquisition target IMO.

I like Chiarot as a 3rd pairing guy but I really can't see it considering the ridiculous rumoured price.

 

[Shooter2x]

I mean I don't think one is required for the other to take place. It's obviously a good call in principle to go out and find a depth defenseman. Dermott and Holl have both underperformed and Muzzin is shaky; enough cause to motivate an acquisition regardless of Muzzin's status. The state of Muzzin's status only serves to inform the quality of the acquisition target IMO.

I like Chiarot as a 3rd pairing guy but I really can't see it considering the ridiculous rumoured price.

The odds of Chiarot shutting anyone down in our system is very low. Habs played a very boring and cheap style of defence and got away with it because of hot Price and very cold shooting by Marner, Matthews and Hyman. Coincidence the league suddenly decided to call more cross checking penalies as well after Habs sneaked their way to the Cup finals? I don't think so. They reviewed the cheap hacks Chiarot took all playoffs and said nope this team needs to stop this crap.

One year wonder success nobody is going to fall for again.

 

[Buds17]

Riley Nash (Bos and CBJ)...Nick Foligno (CBJ)...Ben Chiarot (Mtl)

Are we going to that well again?

 

[kb]

I'm still trying to figure out how Chiarot will be a positive addition.

 

[4thline]

I really liked the idea of a retained Namestnikov as a rental + 1 last year, but that wwas before adding Bunting/Kampf/Kase, tiptoeing around to be able to retain Mik, and having Engvall look more and more like an everyday 3rd liner. Don't really need that middle 6 wing guy. if we're healthy going to into the deadline

Bunting-AM-MM
Kerf-JT-WM
Soup-Kampf-Kase
Engvall-Spezza-Simmonds

the only "weak" link I see there is the Spezza we've been getting the last 15-20 games or so. A solid + level two-way 4C could go a long way, Spezz would still be huge in the room and be next man up. A retained Larsson or double retained Tierney could fit the bill

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I mean I don't think one is required for the other to take place. It's obviously a good call in principle to go out and find a depth defenseman. Dermott and Holl have both underperformed and Muzzin is shaky; enough cause to motivate an acquisition regardless of Muzzin's status. The state of Muzzin's status only serves to inform the quality of the acquisition target IMO.

I like Chiarot as a 3rd pairing guy but I really can't see it considering the ridiculous rumoured price.

Well the price is the main reason why I don't think it happens unless Muzzin is out.

We are not paying a 1st for a bottom pairing defenseman.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Something to consider, is we've blown the last two playoff series because we couldn't score. The other teams hyper focus on Matthews, and Nylander alone can't win us a series.

It may not be a terrible idea to acquire a scoring player to create more depth.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Well the price is the main reason why I don't think it happens unless Muzzin is out.

We are not paying a 1st for a bottom pairing defenseman.

Oh I see - yes 100% agree. Lots of better targets out there.

 

[kb]

Something to consider, is we've blown the last two playoff series because we couldn't score. The other teams hyper focus on Matthews, and Nylander alone can't win us a series.

It may not be a terrible idea to acquire a scoring player to create more depth.

Can never have enough good players, but I would want to see how a fully healthy forward unit performs first. Mikheyev will come back to earth, but until he does....

 

[TheShape]

I'm still trying to figure out how Chiarot will be a positive addition.

Only makes sense if Muzzin is out for a while. But even then, no way I’m paying a 1st for Chiarot. And I don’t believe he plays the right side either.

 

[zeke]

I don't believe the rumour at all tbh. Chiarot is very bad, and the rumoured price is laughable. I take all 7 of our dmen over him.

With Foligno there was actually a track record of being very good, not with Chiarot.

 

[zeke]

Something to consider, is we've blown the last two playoff series because we couldn't score. The other teams hyper focus on Matthews, and Nylander alone can't win us a series.

It may not be a terrible idea to acquire a scoring player to create more depth.

Kerfoot-Hertl-Nylander "3rd line" would be something.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Kerfoot-Hertl-Nylander "3rd line" would be something.

Does anyone know why the Habs benched Hertl for the entire playoffs? I don't understand.

I have a hard time seeing us going deep when we're playing our first line 24 minutes a night. Kucherov only averaged 18 minutes last year. I think having a sick 3rd line will potentially make a bigger impact than acquiring a defenseman. Obviously if the Dman is actually a legit top 4 shutdown man that's different, but the market has Klingberg, Chiarot, as top targets, I think we're better off shopping F.

 

[zeke]

Does anyone know why the Habs benched Hertl for the entire playoffs? I don't understand.

I have a hard time seeing us going deep when we're playing our first line 24 minutes a night. Kucherov only averaged 18 minutes last year. I think having a sick 3rd line will potentially make a bigger impact than acquiring a defenseman. Obviously if the Dman is actually a legit top 4 shutdown man that's different, but the market has Klingberg, Chiarot, as top targets, I think we're better off shopping F.

you're thinking of tatar.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Does anyone know why the Habs benched Hertl for the entire playoffs? I don't understand.

I have a hard time seeing us going deep when we're playing our first line 24 minutes a night. Kucherov only averaged 18 minutes last year. I think having a sick 3rd line will potentially make a bigger impact than acquiring a defenseman. Obviously if the Dman is actually a legit top 4 shutdown man that's different, but the market has Klingberg, Chiarot, as top targets, I think we're better off shopping F.

We don't really "need" to play our first line 20 minutes a night. Marner is really the only one who maybe should get up there since he plays both special teams.

Kucherov also played 21:30 in the first Cup run. Second Cup run, he missed the entire season so I can see why they would not want to play him as much.

There is not really any reason why we can't play our 3rd line a lot more this year either.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Kerfoot-Hertl-Nylander "3rd line" would be something.

That would be better than some first lines out there. No doubt Hertl would be expensive though.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I think the Leafs are a pretty good and well rounded team, but with room to upgrade anywhere they see fit. I don't think it's like last year where the need was obviously a top 6 LWer. I hope they just pay a reasonable price for a good player, rather than something insane like a 1st+ for a Foligno level player

 

[meefer]

If looking for a defensive Dman, according to the Athletics Player Cards, Dylan DeMelo is having a heck of a year. He's signed for two more years after this year (3M/), and because he's only scored 4 points this year in 36 games, he might cost less, with greater defensive impacts, than many already discussed. The obvious starting point would be Holl, but what might be the add that intrigues the Peg?

 

[Rude Dog]

According to Friedman the Leafs are in on Chiarot. The price is likely to be a first + a prospect. Acquiring him for such a package would mean Dubas is throwing the analytical approach, which he built this team on, out the window.

Would rather keep the pick and prospect. For a 3rd...sure. Either do something to really improve the team or stand pat. Foligno type trades are a waste of time. Chychrun is the only rumoured guy out there that I am remotely interested in at this point.

 

[jaric1862]

Love the idea of this, don't think we'll be able to shed Ritchie though and get a Jarnkrok/Namestnikov caliber player without a very high pick involved.