GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART V

[Dragao6]

I'd still rather see him play for the Leafs and develop here and see where he's at in a few years before trading him. I don't know why we can't show a little patience with him rather than wanting to move him when he's just starting his NHL career.

I agree unless it’s for chychrun
Chychrun is 1 year older only?

 

[Kiwi]

Gotta give to get. I like Liljegren a lot but...

For two whole playoff runs to, then we won't be able to afford to keep him unlike the guys you just traded who could be here for another half a decade

Braun plays top 4, won't cost much and has outstanding defensive metrics so he'd be a great partner for Muzzin in a shutdown role

But no, let's trade the farm for the worse defensive player

 

[zeke]

You only give up a piece like sandin or Lilly if you think you're getting a guy with clearly higher upside.

Chychrun might be that guy but might not.

Severson is definitely not.

 

[Kiwi]

Screw defense, it's boring

Let's go get Stastny from Winnipeg

Bunting Matthews Kase
Mikheyev Tavares Marner
Kerfoot Stastny Nylander
Engvall Kampf Spezza/Simmonds

That lady's and gentlemen is aggressive

 

[SprDaVE]

For two whole playoff runs to, then we won't be able to afford to keep him unlike the guys you just traded who could be here for another half a decade

Braun plays top 4, won't cost much and has outstanding defensive metrics so he'd be a great partner for Muzzin in a shutdown role

But no, let's trade the farm for the worse defensive player

Severson is much more rounded than Braun both offensively and defensively. He's much younger as well. He kills a lot of penalties and can definitely do well offensively.

I wouldn't bet against being able to keep someone like Severson after his deal is up. Also, the big reason you pay the big price for him is if they retain and/or take on a bad contract to make it work.

I don't mind Braun but if you want quality, Severson is it. Braun is much closer to a Bogosian level of addition as opposed to a bonafide 21+ minute defenseman that will and can give you first pairing quality on the 2nd pairing.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Flyers are a tire fire.

Marner
Dermott

For

Konecny
Provorov

Who says no? I personally wouldn't want to trade Marner for 2 lesser players but would the upgrade in the top 4 be worth the 30ish point difference between Konecny and Marner?

Likely would be an offseason move anyways.

 

[ACC1224]

I'd still rather see him play for the Leafs and develop here and see where he's at in a few years before trading him. I don't know why we can't show a little patience with him rather than wanting to move him when he's just starting his NHL career.

Unfortunately teams look to constantly upgrade when they are in win now mode.
I wouldn’t worry, I think he may be as close to untouchable a prospect as the Leafs have. He’s not going anywhere unless it’s a too good to be true type offer.

 

[The Podium]

Should be a buyers market with 12 teams already out of the race

 

[Legion34]

Flyers are a tire fire.

Marner
Dermott

For

Konecny
Provorov

Who says no? I personally wouldn't want to trade Marner for 2 lesser players but would the upgrade in the top 4 be worth the 30ish point difference between Konecny and Marner?

Likely would be an offseason move anyways.

this is one trade that I have looked at if we flame out and need to move on from marner.

outside of Mcdavid demanding to be traded here (lol) marner for a lesser winger plus top 4 d would make sense.

my personal hope if this were the case would be

tkachuk and Anderson from Calgary. If tkachuk would sign long term.

Matty works best on cycle. Tkachuk would be his best possible winger. One of the best passers in the league below the dots.

plus tkachuk and Matthews are friends.
This would be the second best option though.

 

[Stigma]

Flyers are a tire fire.

Marner
Dermott

For

Konecny
Provorov

Who says no? I personally wouldn't want to trade Marner for 2 lesser players but would the upgrade in the top 4 be worth the 30ish point difference between Konecny and Marner?

Likely would be an offseason move anyways.

I'm hoping that things go well for us in the playoffs. However, if another disaster happens, I would be all over this trade. Love it.

 

[dubplatepressure]

you think they are going to go pickup chariot to not play top 4 minutes ?

also the basis of your argument is false ........ giving up amazing assets to get chariot would be a shit move because your massively overpaying for a less than 1 dimensional player, when you could use those assets on something ALOT better. ................. defending the pickup by saying "hes a defensive defensman" is lazy ..........

its the same shit as last year .... massive overpayment just like for foligno

Not sure what you're arguing against here .... I don't think they're going to pick up Chiarot, period. The basis of my argument is not false because I am not arguing giving up assets required for Chiarot. It's literally the opposite of what I said. Did you even read my comments?

to remind you:

It's obviously a good call in principle to go out and find a depth defenseman

I like Chiarot as a 3rd pairing guy but I really can't see it considering the ridiculous rumoured price.

Nothing about the above indicates I'm advocating to spend what has been the rumoured asking price on Chiarot. But since you're asking, if we were to pick him up for a mid to late round pick, I'd certainly be fine with him slotting in as our #6 or #7, bumping either Holl (replaced with Sandin or Lilly) or Dermott. That's why I referenced 3rd pairing, where IMO he belongs.

But again, doubt it happens given what they seem to want for him.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Could a trade involving Severson for Liljegren make sense? The Leafs would receive a legitimate top-four defenseman on a bargain contract rather than someone with the potential to grow into one. The Devils would acquire a player who can step into an NHL role immediately, who fits their contention timeline, and who carries significantly more term. I think this type of trade could appeal to both teams, particularly if the Leafs would be interested in extending Severson.

The price for 1.5 seasons of Jake Muzzin was Sean Durzi, Carl Grundstrom, and a first-round pick. The fact that Liljegren is NHL ready increases his value, but I still think the Leafs would likely have to add more to get this done.
Obviously, how both teams evaluate Liljegren is a major question mark here. If the Leafs think he’s a sure-fire top-four defenseman — or if the Devils think he’ll be a fringe NHL player — this deal is probably off the table. If the two teams don’t align on Liljegren, the next question becomes: What about Topi Niemela?

Could they acquire Leafs legend Jared McCann for the second time in a calendar year? Sure, they probably should have just kept him the first time, but that doesn’t mean they can’t trade for him now.
After spending plenty of time on the wing with the Penguins, McCann has been playing in between Jaden Schwartz and Jordan Eberle for most of the season, posting an impressive 24 points in 36 games. He is in line for a raise this offseason, but at his current $2.94 million cap hit, the Leafs wouldn’t necessarily have to move Kerfoot to fit him in this season. Toronto could opt to re-sign him, or simply use him as a rental and flip him in the offseason.

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2022/01/25/a-plan-for-the-maple-leafs-trade-deadline/

 

[dubplatepressure]

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2022/01/25/a-plan-for-the-maple-leafs-trade-deadline/

Gross.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Flyers are a tire fire.

Marner
Dermott

For

Konecny
Provorov

Who says no? I personally wouldn't want to trade Marner for 2 lesser players but would the upgrade in the top 4 be worth the 30ish point difference between Konecny and Marner?

Likely would be an offseason move anyways.

This looks like we're trading 1 premium asset for 2 premium assets. Dermott can hardly make our lineup and adding a scoring winger and a top 4D both in mid-20s AND save on cap would be insane

 

[The Podium]

This looks like we're trading 1 premium asset for 2 premium assets. Dermott can hardly make our lineup and adding a scoring winger and a top 4D both in mid-20s AND save on cap would be insane

Well you’re talking about a 90 point forward and a #5D for a 50 point forward and a #2 D.

With the cap savings it maybe shifts the value in our favour but that isn’t some kind of fleecing.

I think Marner has become criminally underrated around here

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

This looks like we're trading 1 premium asset for 2 premium assets. Dermott can hardly make our lineup and adding a scoring winger and a top 4D both in mid-20s AND save on cap would be insane

The cap works out about even with Dermott going back and Marner averages about 30 points more per 82 GP than Konecny to this point in their careers. the term "premium" should not be applied in equal terms there.

 

[tony135420]

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2022/01/25/a-plan-for-the-maple-leafs-trade-deadline/

Completely honest question here. Is Severson really that much of an upgrade over Lilly? I have never closely watched him play so I'm unsure of his value, but I recall last season a lot of people were not very high on him. Any insight?

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Well you’re talking about a 90 point forward and a #5D for a 50 point forward and a #2 D.

With the cap savings it maybe shifts the value in our favour but that isn’t some kind of fleecing.

I think Marner has become criminally underrated around here

I'm recognizing that a #2D and a top 6 forward is a good return in hypothetical discussions.

 

[aingefan]

Well you’re talking about a 90 point forward and a #5D for a 50 point forward and a #2 D.

With the cap savings it maybe shifts the value in our favour but that isn’t some kind of fleecing.

I think Marner has become criminally underrated around here

Yeah, I’m of the same mind.
Feels a little underwhelming, maybe I’m undervaluing Provorov some. I recall the team liking him around draft time.

 

[tony135420]

This looks like we're trading 1 premium asset for 2 premium assets. Dermott can hardly make our lineup and adding a scoring winger and a top 4D both in mid-20s AND save on cap would be insane

Unsure Provorov is a "premium" asset. Trading Marner in season is absolutely insane. It would destroy the locker room morale and remove a bonafied 1st line RW. Koneckny is a great top 6 winger, but there's a huge difference between what he is capable of and what MM is capable of.

 

[zeke]

In general I don't think Leafs fans are appreciating what Sandin and Lilly are.

That's probably mostly because the media is so warped in this market.

In any other market, this level of play from super young high ceiling 1st round talents would have the media GUSHING about the leafs' stacked young defensive depth.

But here for some insane reason they're viewed as WEAKNESSES on the team in need of upgrading.

 

[Byron Bitz]

I don’t think we should make a big splash at the deadline again. Can’t keep trading our picks away if we want to keep our window open for a long time we need to have good players coming up on ELCs in the future as we will be crunched against the cap. Dubas really blew it last year with the Foligno trade.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

In general I don't think Leafs fans are appreciating what Sandin and Lilly are.

That's probably mostly because the media is so warped in this market.

In any other market, this level of play from super young high ceiling 1st round talents would have the media GUSHING about the leafs' stacked young defensive depth.

But here for some insane reason they're viewed as WEAKNESSES on the team in need of upgrading.

I would hope most people have come around on those two but I think ideally we can get a RH shot (or somebody that can play the right side) upgrade on Holl who is young enough to still be good and under contract when Muzzin/Brodie's deals are up.

At that time you're likely looking at:

Rielly-Liljegren
Sandin-???
Kral-Niemela

Need another piece there that you can ideally add to the depth of this group this year.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

In general I don't think Leafs fans are appreciating what Sandin and Lilly are.

That's probably mostly because the media is so warped in this market.

In any other market, this level of play from super young high ceiling 1st round talents would have the media GUSHING about the leafs' stacked young defensive depth.

But here for some insane reason they're viewed as WEAKNESSES on the team in need of upgrading.

nah what happened was people started using Sandin to acquire guys like Jakob in hypotheticals, then Sandin fan boys said no way Chychrun is over rated look at his +/-. Then those who were using Sandin in offers for impact core players, which is a compliment really since it implies Sandin has great value, were put in the unfortunate circumstance where they have to point out some flaws that make him expendable IF it's for guys like Chychrun. So in the end you end up getting a lot of posts pointing out Sandins flaws which give off the impression people don't like him as an asset, which is false.

Think about it. Sandins name didn't exist in this thread until the Chychrun rumors came out.

 

[Dragao6]

Flyers are a tire fire.

Marner
Dermott

For

Konecny
Provorov

Who says no? I personally wouldn't want to trade Marner for 2 lesser players but would the upgrade in the top 4 be worth the 30ish point difference between Konecny and Marner?

Likely would be an offseason move anyways.

add Carter hart?