GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART IV

[showtime8]

Yes makes no difference to me.
Patrick Kane has played on one team his entire career, hasn't been run off of any teams.
I'm interested in hockey, not a race discussion and find it offensive that you're trying to turn it into that.

I don't feel like he's making it into a race issue. It is a simple question to ask if he would be receiving the same spotlight if he was white.

To me, I think there's more than 1 issue that has been brought to light and there is a lot of smoke to say there wouldn't be a fire.

If it was 1 isolated issue and they were dragging him through the coals, then yeah, that would be a problem.

 

[Legion34]

I'm not heavily invested in Kane, I'm invested in ALL players being treated equally. I can list atleast 10 players easily who have done a lot worse then Kane has been accused of, and not to mention, been dismissed of the accusations against him. But yet, the public turns a blind eye to. Ask yourself this in all seriousness, if Kane was a white player, do you think he would be attacked as much as he has been by the public and by the media? I highly doubt it. Hell, look at Patrick Kane, he's been accused of a lot worse and people constantly rave about him and how he's one of the greats. I'm sure people on this board would absolutely love Patrick Kane on this team and wouldn't bat an eye to what he has done in the past, and in Kyle Beach case, didn't do.

not sure i agree with this

1.) comparing past situations pre social media and everyone working from home isn’t really fair. Even then. The media and fans were all over
Kane “she said no” was a chant for a year like go leafs go.

lots of players have been dragged by the media due to domestic issues. Heck Matthews was a national story
For walking around in his boxers inside his building while the gaurd was outside. He got it brutally.

Mailloux Miller are white teens.

2.) the vax issue is massive and kane lied about it. Bertuzzi got demolished after telling the truth and forfeiting money. Heck there are columns about dancing on the graves of unvaccinated.

It’s not the media and fans. It’s that his team didn’t want him. That’s the difference IMO. The media died down. He is in the unique situation that 2 teams said they didn’t want him.

if that is a race issue. It’s a huge problem. But It seems like the HDA isn’t going to bat for him

 

[Avilaj07]

I think time is a key factor in a lot of these situations.

I can't think of 10 players off the top of my head that have done worse than Kane, but I'm sure there are players up there.

If this situation had happened just the one time in Winnipeg, then I'm sure by now people wouldn't care as much. But for the reports to come out about his bankruptcy, owing casinos, situation with his wife, etc. do you think that reporters are just targeting him or do you think there's actually a larger issue to be made?

Like I said previously, I'm not saying Kane is a role model of a player but the fact that his public life has been exposed completely is definitely a huge reason why people view him the way that they currently do. Who the hell cares about what he does with his money, that's his decision. As for everything regarding his ex wife, he's been investigated and dismissed of all accusations.

 

[Warden of the North]

Chychrun for Sandin, Amirov and a 1st?

that’s the likely cost based on the quote.

I'd try for Liljegren instead of Sandin.

Amirov doesn't excite me much at all.

 

[Stigma]

Is the white player, Voynov, getting off easy?

 

[Amadeus]

Defense is an area of need right now, not forward. Kane will get a higher offer and considering he just got his contract terminated, money will be a driver. I'm predicting he'll be on his best behavior though as it's his last shot to cash out.

 

[Legion34]

Toronto couldn’t afford Kane anyway right? If other teams are going to offer him a contract and ability to play. We can’t unless it is a 750k pro rated deal

 

[Eternal Leaf]

I don't mind Kane if the leadership core is fine with it.

Kane has little sway to harm the room. He gets waived the second he's out of line. But the opposite is a high-end power forward boosting a weak spot in the lineup.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Rask giving the Bruins a sweetheart deal

 

[Shooter2x]

Why on earth would Kane blow his last chance of redemption, especially chasing a cup on a contender. Sharks have been a joke for a while.

15-20 teams are interested in the guy, so clearly he's not as bad as the media and the sharks are making him out to be. We don't know what happened in San Jose behind the scenes, for all we know there are other characters that helped lead him to his demise. All I see are 15-20 teams interested which wouldn't be the case if he's as toxic as he's being made out to be.

 

[jaric1862]

Just add a 4-5 defenceman and a depth center at the deadline.

 

[Magic Man]

What is the consensus of this board on the following assets:
-Amirov
-2022 1st round pick
-Robertson

What is the most to least valuable of these 3 to the Leafs, and to the league. Just a feeling that other teams would prefer our 1st over the prospects

I feel the progress of Amirov and Robertson have been hampered by injuries. Amirov is also in the KHL, so it's tough to gauge where he is at. I think they are both 1st round talents and are pretty safe bets to be top-9 wingers in the NHL based on what I've seen and heard.

I think I'd prefer to keep our prospects. They're a little further along. The team can always use cheap, young players filling prime holes with the cap invested like it is. There is no assurance that the prospect picked won't have their own issues.

But, I think another team might prefer the pick if given the choice. They get the option of picking their own player, they may not love either prospect with the way they're progressing.

 

[Scion]

Yes makes no difference to me.
Patrick Kane has played on one team his entire career, hasn't been run off of any teams.
I'm interested in hockey, not a race discussion and find it offensive that you're trying to turn it into that.

Fair enough if it doesn't make a difference for you, but it does make a difference to a lot of people, particularly people in power. That being said, I can respect not wanting to turn this into a race discussion so I digress.

 

[mydnyte]

How much do you expect Kane to get paid?
I would think it would be a few dollars less than Eichel.

Vegas is over the cap with 24 million worth of players injured, they cant get healthy and come off the IR and fit under a cap. ...Kane would need to be paid negative a few million to fit.

 

[ACC1224]

Vegas is over the cap with 24 million worth of players injured, they cant get healthy and come off the IR and fit under a cap. ...Kane would need to be paid negative a few million to fit.

Couldn't they sign him for league minimum and waive a player making the same?

 

[mydnyte]

Couldn't they sign him for league minimum and waive a player making the same?

they still need to fit Eichel's 10 million in somehow. and also have Martinez on ltir ...they dont have the cap space to get martinez back on the roster, forget adding a net new player, but, sure, they could drop one of their sub mil players and swap in Kane, but they need to free over 10 mil in cap space somehow

 

[jaric1862]

As a depth option, Justin Braun @50% is a decent bet. He's been playing top 4 minutes since Ellis is down.

 

[ToneDog]

they still need to fit Eichel's 10 million in somehow. and also have Martinez on ltir ...they dont have the cap space to get martinez back on the roster, forget adding a net new player, but, sure, they could drop one of their sub mil players and swap in Kane, but they need to free over 10 mil in cap space somehow

Patches is on LTIR I think so it may not be as difficult as one would think.

 

[Knies iT]

Too much for Klingberg. I'd try and swing something for Chychrun though

Pursuing Klingberg would be a mistake. If you're coughing up high quality assets for a perceived top pair D, might as well avoid half-measures and pay-up for Chychrun.

Klingberg has regressed a bit over the past season. Dallas fans say he doesn't walk the line as well as he used to and is less of a shot threat from the point lately - basically the attributes that made him elite for so long.

We've learned in the past that D acquisitions are all about fit. Klingberg with Rielly would be a defensive tire fire, and you're not putting a one-dimensional OFD beside Muzzin on the shutdown pair. There is no fit for him and it would be Barrie 2.0 all over again.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Pursuing Klingberg would be a mistake. If you're coughing up high quality assets for a perceived top pair D, might as well avoid half-measures and pay-up for Chychrun.

Klingberg has regressed a bit over the past season. Dallas fans say he doesn't walk the line as well as he used to and is less of a shot threat from the point lately - basically the attributes that made him elite for so long.

We've learned in the past that D acquisitions are all about fit. Klingberg with Rielly would be a defensive tire fire, and you're not putting a one-dimensional OFD beside Muzzin on the shutdown pair. There is no fit for him and it would be Barrie 2.0 all over again.

You have to look at who he will be replacing.

Holl + Dermott are not even in the same league as Klingberg. Holl has regressed which makes the gap even bigger. That's the spot getting upgraded.

Dallas fans are likely judging him based as a potential long-term contract. Leafs will judge him as a rental. It's a completely different perspective.

It comes down to the price more than anything else. I think the price will be steep which likely causes the Leafs to look elsewhere.

 

[Knies iT]

You have to look at who he will be replacing.

Holl + Dermott are not even in the same league as Klingberg. Holl has regressed which makes the gap even bigger. That's the spot getting upgraded.

Dallas fans are likely judging him based as a potential long-term contract. Leafs will judge him as a rental. It's a completely different perspective.

It comes down to the price more than anything else. I think the price will be steep which likely causes the Leafs to look elsewhere.

Barrie was also replacing Hainsey/Zaitsev who he is levels above on paper.

It's more about pair fit than it is isolated, on-paper improvements. Klingberg is certainly in the same league as those players when it comes to just defensive play. There is no ideal fit in the top 4 based on how Keefe uses them.

Steep price + rental = three words I'd have no interest in.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

I'd try for Liljegren instead of Sandin.

Amirov doesn't excite me much at all.

hmmm I'm opposite. I see Chych-Lil as a potential long term pairing. At the current moment I just don't see how Sandin will overcome his foot speed and size issues to be an efficient no.3. Muzzins minutes are hard and any D behind him on the depth chart would die playing his role.

I like Sandin as high IQ third pairing puck mover that can play PP. Jury is still out if he's going to be the answer for future no.3. Chychrun can do everything Sandin can do + more, so makes more sense to just upgrade Sandin with Chych and keep the RHD.

 

[Avilaj07]

I think some posters may have assumed that I'm defending Evander Kane and ignoring his issues. That is not the case at all. Like I've stated, I don't believe Kane is a role model in any means and he definitely has some warts, as does many players in this league.

I'm looking at it, solely based on his hockey skills and what he can bring to this team. If the Leafs are one of the teams he's interviewing with, and the leadership team on the Leafs believe he would be a solid addition, then I really hope Dubas does it. It'll be crazy not to atleast look into it and then make a decision.

Kane on this roster brings an element we probably haven't had since Wendal. He's tough as nails, defends his teammates, and extremely skilled. He would truly solidify our top 6 and make it close to, if not, the best in the league. Especially considering it would cost nothing but money. It's not everyday you can add a top power forward winger onto your team for what seems it's going to be pennies on the dollar.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

I think some posters may have assumed that I'm defending Evander Kane and ignoring his issues. That is not the case at all. Like I've stated, I don't believe Kane is a role model in any means and he definitely has some warts, as does many players in this league.

I'm looking at it, solely based on his hockey skills and what he can bring to this team. If the Leafs are one of the teams he's interviewing with, and the leadership team on the Leafs believe he would be a solid addition, then I really hope Dubas does it. It'll be crazy not to atleast look into it and then make a decision.

Kane on this roster brings an element we probably haven't had since Wendal. He's tough as nails, defends his teammates, and extremely skilled. He would truly solidify our top 6 and make it close to, if not, the best in the league. Especially considering it would cost nothing but money. It's not everyday you can add a top power forward winger onto your team for what seems it's going to be pennies on the dollar.

kane-matthews-marner easily becomes best line in the league. Rewards well worth the risks. I don't think there are even any risks. They'd kick him to the curb at the first sign of drama.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Is Vegas going to ride out Martinez and Patches LTIR until playoffs? or are they going to have some cap casualties?

He's their 2nd leading scorer but I would love to pry Reilly Smith out of there if they need to move someone. Ritchie and Engvall would need to go to make it work.