GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART IV

[SeaOfBlue]

I like Kral a lot, but he's not the type of defenseman we need. Reilly, Sandin and Liljegren all bring what he dies to the table. So dies Topi Niemela.

Toronto needs a separator/ cycle breaker. A guy who stops the cycle behind his own net and clears bodies out in front of the net. An upgraded version of Bogosian, South of 30, with a nice contract. Essentially, Scott Mayfield.

Mayfield is turning 30 this year. He is the same age as Justin Holl and really is no better than him either.

The only thing Mayfield has on Holl is that he is 550k cheaper. He is no more a top 4 defenseman than Holl is otherwise.

 

[IrishInOntario]

Mayfield is turning 30 this year. He is the same age as Justin Holl and really is no better than him either.

The only thing Mayfield has on Holl is that he is 550k cheaper. He is no more a top 4 defenseman than Holl is otherwise.

I like Mayfield better than Holl, personally. I also really like David Savard, despite his age and Vladislav Gavrikov, but those guys start to get pricier.

 

[Kiwi]

I like Kral a lot, but he's not the type of defenseman we need. Rielly, Sandin and Liljegren all bring what he dies to the table. So dies Topi Niemela.

Toronto needs a separator/ cycle breaker. A guy who stops the cycle behind his own net and clears bodies out in front of the net. An upgraded version of Bogosian, South of 30, with a nice contract. Essentially, Scott Mayfield.

Kral has had an incredible rise over the last couple of seasons, he's a 2-way defenseman with a substantial ceiling if this trajectory continues

You can never have to many of that on your team and trading him for somebody that isn't a substantial upgrade on Holl isn't something I'm keen on

 

[jaric1862]

Friedman with a cheeky “Toronto isn’t against clearing space to prepare for a deadline add.” In his article. Wonder if they’re looking at attaching a pick to Ritchie or seeing if there’s any suitors for Mrazek.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I like Kral a lot, but he's not the type of defenseman we need. Rielly, Sandin and Liljegren all bring what he dies to the table. So dies Topi Niemela.

Toronto needs a separator/ cycle breaker. A guy who stops the cycle behind his own net and clears bodies out in front of the net. An upgraded version of Bogosian, South of 30, with a nice contract. Essentially, Scott Mayfield.

We already have a Justin Mayfield, his name is Scott Holl

 

[Nylanderthal]

Friedman with a cheeky “Toronto isn’t against clearing space to prepare for a deadline add.” In his article. Wonder if they’re looking at attaching a pick to Ritchie or seeing if there’s any suitors for Mrazek.

Why would they move mrazek when they’re going to need two capable goalies down the stretch? They’ve been lucky to ride Campbell as much as they so far without an issue. Off-season is entirely different.
Ritchie would make sense to go back in any deal where salary ballast needs to be included, I see that happening.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I like Mayfield better than Holl, personally. I also really like David Savard, despite his age and Vladislav Gavrikov, but those guys start to get pricier.

Fairly sure David Savard is the worst regular defenseman in the NHL right now in his current role (there are probably guys who would do worse than him if you put them in the same spot he is in right now). It is one thing to be a defenseman on a bad defensive team, but it is another to be the worst defenseman on the worst defensive team... And we would need him to fill his Montreal role with us.

Was not very good last year or the year before that even. IDK how Kekalainen was able to swindle a 1st+ out of him, but he did the same with a broken Foligno (from different 3 teams) so maybe teams just need better pro scouts. Tampa barely even used him and even though they won the Cup, I am sure they regret that trade. They could have use Cal Foote and received a similar or better output than what they received out of Savard. Based on everything, I don't know if he is even more than a passable #6 at this point...

Gavrikov is fine defensively but I don't think he is any better than Holl overall. He is just younger, a bit more robust and physical, and more expensive (and a LD). Ideally, he is your number 5 but you can live with him as a #4 with the right partner.

As for Mayfield, you can like him better, but you are not getting anything different. It would be a lateral move at best, and a downgrade if Holl continues to find his game like he has the past 10 or so games.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Kral has had an incredible rise over the last couple of seasons, he's a 2-way defenseman with a substantial ceiling if this trajectory continues

You can never have to many of that on your team and trading him for somebody that isn't a substantial upgrade on Holl isn't something I'm keen on

I would say I am comfortable moving him, with the understanding that he could become a solid 4/5 someday, but I would need something worthwhile. I guess it is the same thing with a guy like Dermott too.

 

[zeke]

I like Kral a lot, but he's not the type of defenseman we need. Rielly, Sandin and Liljegren all bring what he dies to the table. So dies Topi Niemela.

Toronto needs a separator/ cycle breaker. A guy who stops the cycle behind his own net and clears bodies out in front of the net. An upgraded version of Bogosian, South of 30, with a nice contract. Essentially, Scott Mayfield.

Do you find the Leafs get cycled very often?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Why would they move mrazek when they’re going to need two capable goalies down the stretch? They’ve been lucky to ride Campbell as much as they so far without an issue. Off-season is entirely different.
Ritchie would make sense to go back in any deal where salary ballast needs to be included, I see that happening.

They are not going to move Mrazek short of getting an offer they cannot refuse from a team like Edmonton. I doubt they are even all that interested in moving Ritchie for anything less right now either. They can soft dump him in the offseason. At the very least the market should not be any worse for him in the offseason than it would be right now, and the Leafs still gain a ton of value out of him right now (if he is the 13th forward for us, he is one of, if not the best, 13th forward in the league).

The Leafs should not be in the rental market at all, and I do not think the Leafs can afford a guy with term right now. They will likely sniff around and do their due diligence (which, if people are not aware, happens 100% of the time with 100% of the GM's regardless of the scenario, so we can move that from rumour to fact).

Maybe see if they can finesse something that works for us right now, but the chances of that are very slim and likely the entire basis of that rumour... And if you are looking at a team right now where the could be something finessed (especially in terms of rentals), it would probably be Columbus. Domi (Marner connection and is the "Hall-like" rental of this year, which is the only thing Dubas should and likely will consider at this point), Kukan (possible Dermott replacement if we move him during the season; solid #7 who is a LH RD), Korpisalo (possible Mrazek replacement during the season; although he is sucking since his Cinderella run against us and Tampa), and CBJ's possible interest in a guy like Ritchie for next year (would be a good option to sell as a rental at that point).

 

[SprDaVE]

I'd rather play Rubin's and keep the assets

He fits under the cap pretty well, RHD, versatile and he'd cost at most a pick to acquire. He'd be a smart depth pick up.

I like Rubins but he's nowhere near what Pysyk can bring... not even close.

 

[pspot]

Dermott, Ritchie, Engvall (pick/prospect if needed) for Braun and JVR (50% retained)
its really close cap wise so philly would have to retain on Braun too which is why I thought pick or prospect

 

[WTFMAN99]

He fits under the cap pretty well, RHD, versatile and he'd cost at most a pick to acquire. He'd be a smart depth pick up.

I like Rubins but he's nowhere near what Pysyk can bring... not even close.

Mark Pysyk is a damned solid bottom 4 RHD.

I wouldn't even be mad putting him next to Rielly and having Brodie pair back with Muzzin.

 

[Kiwi]

He fits under the cap pretty well, RHD, versatile and he'd cost at most a pick to acquire. He'd be a smart depth pick up.

I like Rubins but he's nowhere near what Pysyk can bring... not even close.

I just looked at Pysyk's underlying numbers and Im not impressed, besides a sky high PDO he seems to have a reputation he no longer deserves and I'd rather give that opportunity to one of our guys

Mark Pysyk is a damned solid bottom 4 RHD.

I wouldn't even be mad putting him next to Rielly and having Brodie pair back with Muzzin.

That wouldn't be a good idea, Holl looked pretty bloody good in comparison

 

[WTFMAN99]

I just looked at Pysyk's underlying numbers and Im not impressed, besides a sky high PDO he seems to have a reputation he no longer deserves and I'd rather give that opportunity to one of our guys



That wouldn't be a good idea, Holl looked pretty bloody good in comparison

Holl has been bad in his career whenever detached from Muzzin for any prolonged period of time.

Pysyk can do a Hainsey imitation...Hainsey was pretty solid for us but I think people really crapped on his numbers.

 

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