GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART IV

[WTFMAN99]

Klingberg has not been very good for the past few seasons. His offense has fallen off a bit and he is an absolute tire fire in the defensive zone. You may call it the Rick Bowness effect, but are you willing to gamble on him turning his game around?

Let's say we're interested:
-Not breaking up Rielly - Brodie
-You can't trust Klingberg on the second pair against tough competition
-You're not overpaying him to play on the 3rd pair. Plus, you'd rather have the kids continue to develop and frankly, probably be better than Klingberg

I'm just not seeing a fit

I'm okay with breaking up Rielly-Brodie in certain scenarios...the Leafs acquire Mayfield...

Muzzin-Brodie would be up for battling top competition and Mayfield joins Rielly but would play more of a Hainsey type role in just sitting back.

Your rationale makes sense too though...Rielly-Klingberg would be too bad defensively together & Klingberg would get murdered against top competition. Paying premier assets etc for a rental for 3rd pairing isn't smart...go for the used Honda of rentals rather than the Cadillac in Justin Braun for that kinda thing.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

Leafs - Coyotes
Lawson Crouse & Jacob Chychrun
for
Topi Niemela, Amirov/Robertson, Nick Ritchie, Alex Kerfoot, 1st 2022 & 2nd 2023

Leafs - Islanders
Scott Mayfield
for
Travis Dermott & 2nd

Leafs - Anyone
Justin Holl for anything

CROUSE - MATTHEWS - MARNER
BUNTING - TAVARES - NYLANDER
MIKHEYEV - - - KAMPF - - - KASE
ENGVALL - SPEZZA - SIMMONDS
CLIFFORD - SENEY - ANDERSON

RIELLY - - MAYFIELD
CHYCHRUN - BRODIE
MUZZIN - - - - SANDIN
LILJIGREN

CAMPBELL
MRAZEK

 

[Kiwi]

And that's exactly why Tampa is a perennial cup contender. They care about hockey and winning and they know that if they continue to do that, no one is going to care about players personal lives. You know, the way it should be.

You are incorrect

The media doesn't care what Tampa get up to, it's a story for a day or two tops but they will go crazy if he signs with us and it won't be short lived either

They've traded 1 first for a rental in the last 15 years

We have burned through a ton of assets the last few seasons though, it's starting to bite and limit what we can do

Muzzin gets no respect on here.

Fine player, he seems to be regressing however and it may be prudent to move that contract sooner rather than later

 

[WTFMAN99]

You are incorrect

The media doesn't care what Tampa get up to, it's a story for a day or two tops but they will go crazy if he signs with us and it won't be short lived either



We have burned through a ton of assets the last few seasons though, it's starting to bite and limit what we can do



Fine player, he seems to be regressing however and it may be prudent to move that contract sooner rather than later

I think Muzzin and Brodie earlier in the season together made a formidable pairing. He just likely isn't up for carrying him anymore and needs another legit top 4 partner beside him.

 

[Kiwi]

I think Muzzin and Brodie earlier in the season together made a formidable pairing. He just likely isn't up for carrying him anymore and needs another legit top 4 partner beside him.

Easier said than done, I can't say I'm a fan of what's reportedly on the market or the apparent price of those guys either

 

[WTFMAN99]

Easier said than done, I can't say I'm a fan of what's reportedly on the market or the apparent price of those guys either

Mayfield is the best fit for us IMO. Makes it easiest for the fit in the salary cap, brings a different ingredient for the back end.

 

[The Podium]

Mayfield is the best fit for us IMO. Makes it easiest for the fit in the salary cap, brings a different ingredient for the back end.

The concern with Mayfield is that he is most effective with Pelech, who is arguably a Top 5 defensive D in the league. Mayfield hasn’t had to carry the defensive load on a pairing.

 

[Dreakmur]

The concern with Mayfield is that he is most effective with Pelech, who is arguably a Top 5 defensive D in the league. Mayfield hasn’t had to carry the defensive load on a pairing.

And he wouldn’t have to do it with Muzzin either.

 

[weems]

What do the advanced stats say about Muzzin-Holls play this season?

From the eye test I would say they dont look like a great 2nd pair and Holl is definitely questionable on a 2nd pairing and Muzzin looks to potentially have lost a step (which wouldnt be suprising considering age/injuries) but also how much is this potentially because he has to carry Holl.

The first goal Vegas scored last night is an example of my concern.

Pass gets over to Stephenson around the neutral zone FO dot and Holl is at the blueline. Holl pivots towards him and Stephenson instantly gains a step. This is a spot where I think Holl's questionable agility and footspeed gets exposed as more capable skaters would have been able to close off the lane and finish off the check around the low hash mark or at worst the goal line but instead Stephenson is able to actually hold onto the puck all the way to behind the net.

Muzzin then decides to leave his man in front of the net to help Holl and it becomes a 2v1 situation but they dont come up with the puck. Dadanov who was Muzzin's cover retrieves the puck and feeds Kolesar in front for the goal.

Many games this season this 2nd pair's lack of footspeed is getting somewhat exposed and I'm just not sure we can expect them to hold up over 16 potential high intensity playoff games.

 

[SprDaVE]

Klingberg would be a really good upgrade in my opinion. The big negative is obviously him being a rental right now but if they are willing to take Holl and/or Ritchie, or retain on his salary, I think it might be a nice risk to take. I would not give up more than I did to get Muzzin at the time.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Klingberg would be a really good upgrade in my opinion. The big negative is obviously him being a rental right now but if they are willing to take Holl and/or Ritchie, or retain on his salary, I think it might be a nice risk to take. I would not give up more than I did to get Muzzin at the time.

Not a weakness, pending FA we aren't going to sign. I'd suggest we don't pursue high cost rentals if the expense is 1sts and/or high end prospects.

 

[Cor]

I wouldn’t count on the Islanders trading Mayfield.

I believe there were reports of them wanting to add a D-man

 

[fahad203]

If Tampa gets Kane. Just hold on to your draft picks and just write the season off
There's nobody in the market that we can get that will upgrade us or make us better than Tampa

I doubt we can beat Florida in 7 game series. They are built so heavy

I really wish we were in on Kane. A true power forward Leafs have been missing since Roberts and Nolan left

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Why is Muzzin waiving his NMC on a contract he recently signed to go to a non contender? Just to help out a team he only played a few years for?

I wouldn't count on it. Muzzin is here to stay until his NMC changes into a modified NTC

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Edmonton committed to not trade their 1st this year. Can't help but think McDavid doesn't care about that prospect's impact in 3-5 years.

 

[Menzinger]

Edmonton committed to not trade their 1st this year. Can't help but think McDavid doesn't care about that prospect's impact in 3-5 years.

Not to mention this teams success for the next couple seasons is likely going to determine if he signs another contract in Edmonton. Hoarding futures does nothing for Edmonton at the moment

 

[Menzinger]

If Tampa gets Kane. Just hold on to your draft picks and just write the season off
There's nobody in the market that we can get that will upgrade us or make us better than Tampa

I doubt we can beat Florida in 7 game series. They are built so heavy

I really wish we were in on Kane. A true power forward Leafs have been missing since Roberts and Nolan left

Eh, Kane has 13 career playoff points on 29 games. Not sure he's going to be all that impactful.

 

[SprDaVE]

This guy... This is the kind of player people want to sign.

 

[LeafSteel]

Leafs - Coyotes
Lawson Crouse & Jacob Chychrun
for
Topi Niemela, Amirov/Robertson, Nick Ritchie, Alex Kerfoot, 1st 2022 & 2nd 2023 [/B]

Leafs - Islanders
Scott Mayfield
for
Travis Dermott & 2nd

Leafs - Anyone
Justin Holl for anything

CROUSE - MATTHEWS - MARNER
BUNTING - TAVARES - NYLANDER
MIKHEYEV - - - KAMPF - - - KASE
ENGVALL - SPEZZA - SIMMONDS
CLIFFORD - SENEY - ANDERSON

RIELLY - - MAYFIELD
CHYCHRUN - BRODIE
MUZZIN - - - - SANDIN
LILJIGREN

CAMPBELL
MRAZEK

That first trade made me choke.

Why are we gutting our team here?

Beyond horribad.

Sorry…..

 

[LeafSteel]

This guy... This is the kind of player people want to sign.

Sorry, but he is just a fundamentally unlikeable and untrustworthy person.

Who would want this guy as a teammate?

Enough with him already.

 

[4thline]

I'd like to see a Muzz-Brodie shutdown pairing tried again.

Gimme 15 games of
Muzzin-Brodie - matchup
Rielly-Liljgren -neutral
Sandin-Holl - slightly sheltered

If we can get the right pairings there's really nothing to be done trade wise unless we're going to be missing someone due to injury

 

[TMLAM34]

This guy... This is the kind of player people want to sign.

Isn’t the isolation period down to 5 days for vaccinated individuals that are asymptomatic?

 

[jaric1862]

Realistically what is the most you guys are comfortable with the leafs spending this trade deadline? I'd say a 3rd/4th for next years draft and a 7th from this year. I really don't want them trading any prospects/1st and 2nd round picks.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Realistically what is the most you guys are comfortable with the leafs spending this trade deadline? I'd say a 3rd/4th for next years draft and a 7th from this year. I really don't want them trading any prospects/1st and 2nd round picks.

If it's a top 6 scoring player or a top 4D I'd give up a lot. If it's a depth player or "grit", not much.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

If Rem Pitlick makes it to us in the waiver wire, I would claim him.

Having a 46.2% shooting percentage is helping his numbers and is not particularly special in possession (hovers around 50%), but I would rather have him in our lineup for the next couple of games instead of Clifford. Brings some much needed speed to our 4th line and is a natural center so he would hopefully help out Spezza with those responsibilities.

Clifford is physical-ish right now, but he is a major liability otherwise and we already have much better versions in Ritchie and Simmonds in our lineup already.

Worst case, throw him on waivers again once Engvall and Marner are back.