GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART IV

[SeaOfBlue]

Realistically what is the most you guys are comfortable with the leafs spending this trade deadline? I'd say a 3rd/4th for next years draft and a 7th from this year. I really don't want them trading any prospects/1st and 2nd round picks.

I am more than fine with them moving prospects, just like we did with Korshkov to get Galchenyuk last year. I would probably say that SDA, Malgin, and Hollowell are the best prospects I would move for a rental though.

 

[SprDaVE]

Isn’t the isolation period down to 5 days for vaccinated individuals that are asymptomatic?

He wasn't cleared to travel.

 

[VanW27]

Realistically what is the most you guys are comfortable with the leafs spending this trade deadline? I'd say a 3rd/4th for next years draft and a 7th from this year. I really don't want them trading any prospects/1st and 2nd round picks.

Depends a lot on the return.

Not really interested in a pure rental for anything but a mid to late pick. But for a guy who you want to keep around for while, like the Muzzin deal, I'd be fine moving significant assets.

 

[TML1967]

Realistically what is the most you guys are comfortable with the leafs spending this trade deadline? I'd say a 3rd/4th for next years draft and a 7th from this year. I really don't want them trading any prospects/1st and 2nd round picks.

100% depends if its a rental, or someone with term.

If the Leafs want to trade a bigger piece to get someone who is cost controlled, I might be for it.
If its a pure rental? Yeah, 3rd/4th makes the most sense.
If its a young guy we see something in who might be a RFA? We have done relatively well lately finding talent on the cheap, so Im probably for it.

Kevin Papetti just talked about Morgan Frost. 22 y.o C, whos underlying numbers look decent and he compares to a Kerfoot lite.

Or a guy like Crouse, who has a cheap contract next year as well will end up costing more.

Same thing if we are getting out of a guy like Ritchie or Mrazek.

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A bit off topic, but would love to get a better look at Otto Koivula.

• Turned 23 recently, 6'5 225lb winger
• Former 4th round pick, who the last few years looked more like a defensive minded 3/4th line tweener who forechecks well.
• Skates decently well, and his offensive game seems to have come together this year (25p in 27 games, played 3 for the Islanders with 1 point this year)
• Getting a few NHL games this year, and hasnt looked out of place at all.
• Needs to keep working on strength and his edgework, both things we have seemed to help guys with a good amount the last few years.

 

[The Podium]

How much would it realistically cost to acquire Andrew Peeke?

A bit of a gamble, but could be a solid Holl replacement for 1/3 of the cost for another year and an RFA once this deals up.

Physical, ok defensively #5 guy.

 

[Apex Predator]

If it’s a player with term that can play in the top 6 or top 4 I would be willing to trade Robertson/Amirov. Depending the term, cap hit and age would go 1st round pick as well.

the lack of draft picks make me hesitant to trade picks so player must have control if we are trading a first.

 

[TML1967]

How much would it realistically cost to acquire Andrew Peeke?

A bit of a gamble, but could be a solid Holl replacement for 1/3 of the cost for another year and an RFA once this deals up.

Physical, ok defensively #5 guy.

Honestly, probably not much.
But if we need to pay someone to take on another contract to make the money work this year, it starts adding up.

 

[LeafSteel]

If Rem Pitlick makes it to us in the waiver wire, I would claim him.

Having a 46.2% shooting percentage is helping his numbers and is not particularly special in possession (hovers around 50%), but I would rather have him in our lineup for the next couple of games instead of Clifford. Brings some much needed speed to our 4th line and is a natural center so he would hopefully help out Spezza with those responsibilities.

Clifford is physical-ish right now, but he is a major liability otherwise and we already have much better versions in Ritchie and Simmonds in our lineup already.

Worst case, throw him on waivers again once Engvall and Marner are back.

Habs just claimed him.

Honestly, I think the NHL should have a limit on how many waiver claims a team is allowed to make in a season…..

 

[Fogelhund]

How much would it realistically cost to acquire Andrew Peeke?

A bit of a gamble, but could be a solid Holl replacement for 1/3 of the cost for another year and an RFA once this deals up.

Physical, ok defensively #5 guy.

He's Columbus's #4 in TOI as of right now, and used in the heaviest defensive zone starts. The cost is whatever it takes to pry him from them... which I really have no idea. He's young, and cost contained, but he isn't a premier asset either. I've been the guy talking about him in here, so I'm a proponent of exploring this.

 

[Fogelhund]

100% depends if its a rental, or someone with term.

If the Leafs want to trade a bigger piece to get someone who is cost controlled, I might be for it.
If its a pure rental? Yeah, 3rd/4th makes the most sense.
If its a young guy we see something in who might be a RFA? We have done relatively well lately finding talent on the cheap, so Im probably for it.

Kevin Papetti just talked about Morgan Frost. 22 y.o C, whos underlying numbers look decent and he compares to a Kerfoot lite.

Or a guy like Crouse, who has a cheap contract next year as well will end up costing more.

Same thing if we are getting out of a guy like Ritchie or Mrazek.

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A bit off topic, but would love to get a better look at Otto Koivula.

• Turned 23 recently, 6'5 225lb winger
• Former 4th round pick, who the last few years looked more like a defensive minded 3/4th line tweener who forechecks well.
• Skates decently well, and his offensive game seems to have come together this year (25p in 27 games, played 3 for the Islanders with 1 point this year)
• Getting a few NHL games this year, and hasnt looked out of place at all.
• Needs to keep working on strength and his edgework, both things we have seemed to help guys with a good amount the last few years.

Being honest, I think this is where Dubas is, or should be looking... inefficiencies, and names others aren't necessarily looking at. Younger guys, cost controlled, but emerging players who look to be turning into what we need... and can help us at the same time now. We need to stop chasing the big names, that people end up overpaying for, and go for solid players, that compliment our stars, and build a team... a balanced team. Talent, but some size and grit too.

 

[TML1967]

Hopefully Mrazek plays well tonight, and starts rebuilding his value a bit.

Edit:
If he can play 5 or so good games before the TDL, he may get out of being a liability in a trade and move to someone who a team with G issues or injuries might give up an asset for.

If Colarado keeps having injury troubles, and he shows himself to be more than just average, could be a good fit. No G signed long term, and both of their current G's have struggled this year. No obvious guy to step in next year (prospect) and running Fran Mrazak tandem might be a smart plan.

Maybe SJS? Bring back Reimer, save $1.6m next year against the cap and still have a decent backup for Campbell. Also would give us the nicest tandem ever.

 

[The Podium]

Being honest, I think this is where Dubas is, or should be looking... inefficiencies, and names others aren't necessarily looking at. Younger guys, cost controlled, but emerging players who look to be turning into what we need... and can help us at the same time now. We need to stop chasing the big names, that people end up overpaying for, and go for solid players, that compliment our stars, and build a team... a balanced team. Talent, but some size and grit too.

Exactly this, Dubas has struck out on most of his big splashes but gets incredible value when he exploits inefficiencies.

 

[All Mod Cons]

What do the advanced stats say about Muzzin-Holls play this season?

From the eye test I would say they dont look like a great 2nd pair and Holl is definitely questionable on a 2nd pairing and Muzzin looks to potentially have lost a step (which wouldnt be suprising considering age/injuries) but also how much is this potentially because he has to carry Holl.

The first goal Vegas scored last night is an example of my concern.

Pass gets over to Stephenson around the neutral zone FO dot and Holl is at the blueline. Holl pivots towards him and Stephenson instantly gains a step. This is a spot where I think Holl's questionable agility and footspeed gets exposed as more capable skaters would have been able to close off the lane and finish off the check around the low hash mark or at worst the goal line but instead Stephenson is able to actually hold onto the puck all the way to behind the net.

Muzzin then decides to leave his man in front of the net to help Holl and it becomes a 2v1 situation but they dont come up with the puck. Dadanov who was Muzzin's cover retrieves the puck and feeds Kolesar in front for the goal.

Many games this season this 2nd pair's lack of footspeed is getting somewhat exposed and I'm just not sure we can expect them to hold up over 16 potential high intensity playoff games.

Hypothetically, if the advanced stats said they were excellent, would you be happy watching them play the way they are? How would it affect your viewing of them?

 

[fahad203]

Exactly this, Dubas has struck out on most of his big splashes but gets incredible value when he exploits inefficiencies.

I woudn't mind some depth players like Giordino as a back up
He can still play, just not that good. We need another Ron Hainsey type of player for us

 

[Fogelhund]

I woudn't mind some depth players like Giordino as a back up
He can still play, just not that good. We need another Ron Hainsey type of player for us

An old guy declining and overpaid? That will cost quite a bit because of their name?

Go for the younger guys, we can keep long-term... if possible.

 

[All Mod Cons]

How much would it realistically cost to acquire Andrew Peeke?

A bit of a gamble, but could be a solid Holl replacement for 1/3 of the cost for another year and an RFA once this deals up.

Physical, ok defensively #5 guy.

Ooh that was my proposal for a Kadri trade.

Jenner, Peeke, 1st

 

[fahad203]

An old guy declining and overpaid? That will cost quite a bit because of their name?

Go for the younger guys, we can keep long-term... if possible.

Doesnt' have to be him, just someone like him.
I think our D is too inexperienced even with our playoff runs

Dermott, Sandin and Lilly are just too green. Dermott just not good

 

[ACC1224]

Giordino would be an excellent pickup if they could make the cap work.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Hypothetically, if the advanced stats said they were excellent, would you be happy watching them play the way they are? How would it affect your viewing of them?

I'm fine with it. If they flop this postseason then they trade Marner, upgrade Holl, bring in another winger, and try it again.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[WTFMAN99]

The concern with Mayfield is that he is most effective with Pelech, who is arguably a Top 5 defensive D in the league. Mayfield hasn’t had to carry the defensive load on a pairing.

Last year he was mostly with Leddy.

Mayfield can handle 2nd pairing duties with Rielly which allows Brodie to play with Muzzin.

I wouldn’t count on the Islanders trading Mayfield.

I believe there were reports of them wanting to add a D-man

Most likely a LD, Toews and then Leddy departing hurt a lot. Chara/Greene are 3rd pairing/7th D man

They have Pulock/Mayfield/Dobson at RD with Dobson needing a raise + more minutes...makes sense to sell high on Mayfield now.

 

[thusk]

Personally i really like the idea of get a guy like lawson crouswe. A similar move of barclay goodrow by tampa.

We really need that type of player in Toronto

It's fine getting fast skilled player but you can't play with 18 player with a similar type of game. You need some of those physical but slower guy to win physical battle around the board, battling in front of the net.

 

[GoodNewfieBoy]

It would be possible to acquire Klingberg and stay within the cap. Here’s roughly how:

- assume cap rises by the scheduled $1M and Kessels dead cap hit of $1.2M basically covers Riellys cap increase
- assume a contract for Campbell that comes in at $5M and a backup for $1M
- Klingberg comes in at an extension of $8M
- Trade Kerfoot, Ritchie, Engvall, Holl, Mrazek, Dermott, Muzzin
- Can’t resign Mikhayev, Kase

Roster looks like this :

bunting Matthews Marner
Robertson Tavares Nylander
$3M left winger Kampf Anderson
Steeves Spezza Simmonds
13th forward

rielly Klingberg
Sandin Brodie
$1M D Lilegren
7th D

campbell
$1M backup

 

[Kiwi]

It would be possible to acquire Klingberg and stay within the cap. Here’s roughly how:

- assume cap rises by the scheduled $1M and Kessels dead cap hit of $1.2M basically covers Riellys cap increase
- assume a contract for Campbell that comes in at $5M and a backup for $1M
- Klingberg comes in at an extension of $8M
- Trade Kerfoot, Ritchie, Engvall, Holl, Mrazek, Dermott, Muzzin
- Can’t resign Mikhayev, Kase

Roster looks like this :

bunting Matthews Marner
Robertson Tavares Nylander
$3M left winger Kampf Anderson
Steeves Spezza Simmonds
13th forward

rielly Klingberg
Sandin Brodie
$1M D Lilegren
7th D

campbell
$1M backup

For a start I question anybody wanting to give a guy that age both term and money

I prefer other teams to give out retirement contracts

Also that team is brutal with literally zero depth

No thank you

 

[Leafed]

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