GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART IV

[ACC1224]

The pick would be San Jose’s
If it’s not clear

They could add all their picks. Having that salary tied up for 3 years for that train wreck would be insane.

 

[Avilaj07]

For someone who has a known gambling addiction. There is no way the league his agent family and friends should allow him to go to Vegas. I'd like for him to find personal success wherever he goes. The last distractions the better.

I don't remember anyone criticizing or dictating Michael Jordan when it was very well known he had a gambling addiction as well.

Today's society has become an absolute joke. The guy is being ripped apart by accusations from his ex wife, that have all been dismissed after investigation but yet, his reputation has already been ruined from it clearly. Is Evander Kane a role model player, absolutely not, not every player in the league is. There have been multiple players in this league that have done much worse but yet, the public turns a blind eye to it.

 

[ACC1224]

I don't remember anyone criticizing or dictating Michael Jordan when it was very well known he had a gambling addiction as well.

Today's society has become an absolute joke. The guy is being ripped apart by accusations from his ex wife, that have all been dismissed after investigation but yet, his reputation has already been ruined from it clearly. Is Evander Kane a role model player, absolutely not, not every player in the league is. There have been multiple players in this league that have done much worse but yet, the public turns a blind eye to it.

What the public thinks, including everyone here is meaningless.
People around the league would know what they are getting themselves into. If, as you believe his behaviour isn't an issue, he will have no trouble finding a home and being compensated. I would think, if that were the case, someone would have tried to fleece San Jose by now and trade for him.

 

[Scion]

It would be poor process on the part of the Leafs if they didn't complete a thorough investigation into acquiring Kane and speak with their leadership core to determine the viability of such a move. Ultimately that process may lead to the conclusion that it doesn't make sense, but you have to undergo that process and do your due diligence rather than summarily dismissing it.

I will also say as a black man, that a part of me is always skeptical when a black athlete is portrayed as a problem. Evander Kane is likely a tool, but it wouldn't be the first time a black athlete is misrepresented, particularly in an all-white sport like hockey.

 

[showtime8]

It would be poor process on the part of the Leafs if they didn't complete a thorough investigation into acquiring Kane and speak with their leadership core to determine the viability of such a move. Ultimately that process may lead to the conclusion that it doesn't make sense, but you have to undergo that process and do your due diligence rather than summarily dismissing it.

I will also say as a black man, that a part of me is always skeptical when a black athlete is portrayed as a problem. Evander Kane is likely a tool, but it wouldn't be the first time a black athlete is misrepresented, particularly in an all-white sport like hockey.

I think that he's painted as a problem because is a problem. He was a problem in Winnipeg enough to the point that players became vocal about it and eventually threw his tracksuit in the showers. He was a problem in San Jose and when asked at the start of this year, none of the players wanted to be associated with him. I can understand that there are situations where athletes do get misrepresented, but it has been documented.

 

[Contenderorpretender]

I don't remember anyone criticizing or dictating Michael Jordan when it was very well known he had a gambling addiction as well.

Today's society has become an absolute joke. The guy is being ripped apart by accusations from his ex wife, that have all been dismissed after investigation but yet, his reputation has already been ruined from it clearly. Is Evander Kane a role model player, absolutely not, not every player in the league is. There have been multiple players in this league that have done much worse but yet, the public turns a blind eye to it.

Wtf are you talking about? I mentioned his gambling problem and bankruptcy and emphasized more on empathy. Stating well documented facts is not the same as criticizing.

Me saying, he's a degenerate gambler who doesn't pay his debt. Lies about his vaccination status and yet gets chance after chance. That's criticizing.

Don't know why you bring up Jordan. Guys rich af. Now Antoine walker would be a better comparison.

 

[Cor]

I don't remember anyone criticizing or dictating Michael Jordan when it was very well known he had a gambling addiction as well.

Today's society has become an absolute joke. The guy is being ripped apart by accusations from his ex wife, that have all been dismissed after investigation but yet, his reputation has already been ruined from it clearly. Is Evander Kane a role model player, absolutely not, not every player in the league is. There have been multiple players in this league that have done much worse but yet, the public turns a blind eye to it.

Regardless of anyone's beliefs, or the laundry list of things Evander has done, or has been accused of, don't you think, the fact that his own teammates from two seperate teams, don't want anything to do with him, speaks volumes? That isn't "society". Those are people who know him better than anyone.

We won't be signing him, nor should we.

 

[Avilaj07]

Regardless of anyone's beliefs, or the laundry list of things Evander has done, or has been accused of, don't you think, the fact that his own teammates from two seperate teams, don't want anything to do with him, speaks volumes? That isn't "society". Those are people who know him better than anyone.

We won't be signing him, nor should we.

You mean the same Winnipeg Jets team that pushed Laine to request a trade? That Byfuglien literally walked away and quit on? The same Jets team that the coach just literally quit on? Maybe it wasn't Kane who was the issue but maybe it's the leadership core of that team that's the issue.

 

[Martin Skoula]

You mean the same Winnipeg Jets team that pushed Laine to request a trade? That Byfuglien literally walked away and quit on? The same Jets team that the coach just literally quit on? Maybe it wasn't Kane who was the issue but maybe it's the leadership core of that team that's the issue.

Has anyone anywhere at any point come out and said Kane was a good teammate? Why are we looking for excuses, the same pattern repeats everywhere he goes.

 

[Cor]

You mean the same Winnipeg Jets team that pushed Laine to request a trade? That Byfuglien literally walked away and quit on? The same Jets team that the coach just literally quit on? Maybe it wasn't Kane who was the issue but maybe it's the leadership core of that team that's the issue.

and what about San Jose? Them too?

Also, Maurice was allowed to re-sign. He was going to get canned regardless. Also, Byfuglien didn't quit on the team. There were complications with management on that one. He didn't show up to camp, got suspended, then wanted to come back, had surgery, was supposed to return after, but then the two sides terminated his deal, in which the it was said that he once again didn't want to play anymore. That seperation was more about Byfuglien being indecisive with his future, and things going sour with management. Not the players themselves.

 

[ACC1224]

You mean the same Winnipeg Jets team that pushed Laine to request a trade? That Byfuglien literally walked away and quit on? The same Jets team that the coach just literally quit on? Maybe it wasn't Kane who was the issue but maybe it's the leadership core of that team that's the issue.

Curious why you're so heavily invested in defending his honour?

 

[Scion]

Other reporters have said the Leafs do have interest and if you read that tweet carefully he doesn't actually say the Leafs aren't interested in Kane. He says everything he has heard indicates the Leafs aren't interested in Kane. That can be interpreted many different ways.

 

[BertCorbeau]

and what about San Jose? Them too?

Also, Maurice was allowed to re-sign. He was going to get canned regardless. Also, Byfuglien didn't quit on the team. There were complications with management on that one. He didn't show up to camp, got suspended, then wanted to come back, had surgery, was supposed to return after, but then the two sides terminated his deal, in which the it was said that he once again didn't want to play anymore. That seperation was more about Byfuglien being indecisive with his future, and things going sour with management. Not the players themselves.

and Buffalo?

 

[TheGroceryStick]

I think we become a strong contender (imo) with:
Kampf as 4C
Muzzin as 3LD

Fill in those cracks as you may.



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I'll take a stab.

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Kane - Tavares - Nylander
Mikhayev - Kerfoot - Kase
Simmonds - Kampf - Spezza

Rielly - Brodie
Sandin - Klingberg
Muzzin - Liljgren

 

[Scion]

and Buffalo?

The flip side is that several teams wanted Kane. San Jose liked him enough to give him term and dollars to stay in San Jose.

 

[Warden of the North]

Panel just said at the intermission that Klingberg is looking for an 8 year deal around $63 million - so $7.8 AAV.

If Dubas thinks he can make that cap work, that could be a great move to bring him in and re-sign him long term.

And the asking price for Chychrun is a young roster player, a top prospect, and a 1st.

Too much for Klingberg. I'd try and swing something for Chychrun though

 

[Cor]

Too much for Klingberg. I'd try and swing something for Chychrun though

Chychrun for Sandin, Amirov and a 1st?

that’s the likely cost based on the quote.

 

[Legion34]

It would be poor process on the part of the Leafs if they didn't complete a thorough investigation into acquiring Kane and speak with their leadership core to determine the viability of such a move. Ultimately that process may lead to the conclusion that it doesn't make sense, but you have to undergo that process and do your due diligence rather than summarily dismissing it.

I will also say as a black man, that a part of me is always skeptical when a black athlete is portrayed as a problem. Evander Kane is likely a tool, but it wouldn't be the first time a black athlete is misrepresented, particularly in an all-white sport like hockey.

i mean it’s tough. I obviously can’t speak for POC. But his biggest fight was with big buff in WPG I believe…….

We do know that the HDA is big in Toronto and I don’t see the dubas regime as wanting to come off as racist. I would hope they would do their due diligence.

Simmonds is obviously a force in the room and a well respected vet. If they are both part of the HDA (I’m not sure they are) hopefully dubas would reach out to him. Wayne has tons of respect in the league. You would hope dubas would take a look. Wayne Might know him. I don’t know if anyone else would? Hutch maybe?

with dubas and milsteins relationship you would think he would have. To get a meeting.

honestly I think florida with jumbo might make sense.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

What is the consensus of this board on the following assets:
-Amirov
-2022 1st round pick
-Robertson

What is the most to least valuable of these 3 to the Leafs, and to the league. Just a feeling that other teams would prefer our 1st over the prospects

 

[Avilaj07]

Curious why you're so heavily invested in defending his honour?

I'm not heavily invested in Kane, I'm invested in ALL players being treated equally. I can list atleast 10 players easily who have done a lot worse then Kane has been accused of, and not to mention, been dismissed of the accusations against him. But yet, the public turns a blind eye to. Ask yourself this in all seriousness, if Kane was a white player, do you think he would be attacked as much as he has been by the public and by the media? I highly doubt it. Hell, look at Patrick Kane, he's been accused of a lot worse and people constantly rave about him and how he's one of the greats. I'm sure people on this board would absolutely love Patrick Kane on this team and wouldn't bat an eye to what he has done in the past, and in Kyle Beach case, didn't do.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Chychrun for Sandin, Amirov and a 1st?

that’s the likely cost based on the quote.

I'd rather just keep letting Sandin develop at the NHL level and keep the other assets.

 

[ACC1224]

I'm not heavily invested in Kane, I'm invested in ALL players being treated equally. I can list atleast 10 players easily who have done a lot worse then Kane has been accused of, and not to mention, been dismissed of the accusations against him. But yet, the public turns a blind eye to. Ask yourself this in all seriousness, if Kane was a white player, do you think he would be attacked as much as he has been by the public and by the media? I highly doubt it. Hell, look at Patrick Kane, he's been accused of a lot worse and people constantly rave about him and how he's one of the greats. I'm sure people on this board would absolutely love Patrick Kane on this team and wouldn't bat an eye to what he has done in the past, and in Kyle Beach case, didn't do.

Yes makes no difference to me.
Patrick Kane has played on one team his entire career, hasn't been run off of any teams.
I'm interested in hockey, not a race discussion and find it offensive that you're trying to turn it into that.

 

[Avilaj07]

Yes makes no difference to me.
Patrick Kane has played on one team his entire career, hasn't been run off of any teams.
I'm interested in hockey, not a race discussion and find it offensive that you're trying to turn it into that.

If you're interested in hockey then why are you so quick to dismiss one of the best power forwards in the game who could be had for pennies on the dollar and greatly improve this team?

 

[showtime8]

I'm not heavily invested in Kane, I'm invested in ALL players being treated equally. I can list atleast 10 players easily who have done a lot worse then Kane has been accused of, and not to mention, been dismissed of the accusations against him. But yet, the public turns a blind eye to. Ask yourself this in all seriousness, if Kane was a white player, do you think he would be attacked as much as he has been by the public and by the media? I highly doubt it. Hell, look at Patrick Kane, he's been accused of a lot worse and people constantly rave about him and how he's one of the greats. I'm sure people on this board would absolutely love Patrick Kane on this team and wouldn't bat an eye to what he has done in the past, and in Kyle Beach case, didn't do.

I think time is a key factor in a lot of these situations.

I can't think of 10 players off the top of my head that have done worse than Kane, but I'm sure there are players up there.

If this situation had happened just the one time in Winnipeg, then I'm sure by now people wouldn't care as much. But for the reports to come out about his bankruptcy, owing casinos, situation with his wife, etc. do you think that reporters are just targeting him or do you think there's actually a larger issue to be made?

 

[ACC1224]

If you're interested in hockey then why are you so quick to dismiss one of the best power forwards in the game who could be had for pennies on the dollar and greatly improve this team?

The issues he can bring to the room. Team seems pretty tight, don't want to upset that.
I'm not 100% against the idea, if he comes at league minimum.