GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART IV

[Avilaj07]

Sounds like Kane will be signing with a new team by weeks end according to Insiders.

 

[Cor]

Sounds like Kane will be signing with a new team by weeks end according to Insiders.

Vegas

 

[Buds17]

Is Menell healthy and available? Just wondering cause he does have a little more experience than Lilly and is a natural right hander.

Menell having a bit more experience isn't entirely unexpected as he is older by a couple of years. Liljegren does have the edge in NHL experience though and should continue to remain ahead on the depth chart IMO.

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Am I missing something on Lawson Crouse? Yeah he is having his best season, but playing almost 5 more minutes a game than his career average. He's certainly not playing 18+ minutes on a contending team.

Seems like he is overrated in the hockey community. I wouldn't give up much; let other teams go on a bidding war

 

[Duke16]

I don't have much interest in messing with:
Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Kerfoot-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Kämpf-Kaše

The third line has it's role, and it does it exceptionally well. Most trade ideas I see are centered around Top 6 LW, but both Bunting and Kerfoot are exceeding expectations - they've been fantastic.

Trading a 1st + or whatever for a player with name value is a good marketing move maybe, but would just be a waste of assets in an attempt to look great on paper. Like in Kerfoot's case especially, I don't know what more you'd want out of your 2LW

 

[Avilaj07]

I don't have much interest in messing with:
Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Kerfoot-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Kämpf-Kaše

The third line has it's role, and it does it exceptionally well. Most trade ideas I see are centered around Top 6 LW, but both Bunting and Kerfoot are exceeding expectations - they've been fantastic.

Trading a 1st + or whatever for a player with name value is a good marketing move maybe, but would just be a waste of assets in an attempt to look great on paper. Like in Kerfoot's case especially, I don't know what more you'd want out of your 2LW

While I agree that our top 9 is good to great, if you can add Kane for the remainder of the season for course to league minimum then it suddenly makes our top 9 close to being the best in the league. Not to mention, having one of Mikheyev or Bunting on our 4th line is some serious depth.

Kane-Matthews-Marner
Kerfoot-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Kampf-Kase
Bunting-Spezza-Simmonds
Engvall

 

[93LEAFS]

While I agree that our top 9 is good to great, if you can add Kane for the remainder of the season for course to league minimum then it suddenly makes our top 9 close to being the best in the league. Not to mention, having one of Mikheyev or Bunting on our 4th line is some serious depth.

Kane-Matthews-Marner
Kerfoot-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Kampf-Kase
Bunting-Spezza-Simmonds
Engvall

Kane really wouldn't fit well with Matthews/Marner. Think of him as a better version of Kapanen. He's good at driving forward with a north/south game, and demands possession of the puck/shoots a ton. The players most effective with Matthews/Marner tend to be guys who just forecheck hard, lay the puck off to them, make simple plays, and stand in front of the net. He's a weird player in that he's probably best suite to drive a 3rd line on a contender, since his style of play doesn't really compliment high-skill guys.

 

[Judas Tavares]

If the Leafs falter in the playoffs again, I'm moving Marner to Columbus for Kent Johnson, Ceulmans and a 1st Round Pick.

Sign Hertl to a 6yr/7.5 million, move Tavares to the wing and you now have 3 million in cap space with 2 first round picks, 2 solid prospects

I don't think the Leafs would do this, I think a Marner trade they would want developed assets back.

Columbus would pass for sure. Johnson is the key piece to their rebuild. Ceulmans and that 1st are also key pieces. I just don't think that franchise is in a position to do that after losing Dubois and a bunch of assets trying to make a failed push a couple years ago.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I don't think the Leafs would do this, I think a Marner trade they would want developed assets back.

Columbus would pass for sure. Johnson is the key piece to their rebuild. Ceulmans and that 1st are also key pieces. I just don't think that franchise is in a position to do that after losing Dubois and a bunch of assets trying to make a failed push a couple years ago.

Columbus trading for him this summer makes sense, play him for a year at under a mil in cash and flip him to a contender at 50% for more than they paid for him.

 

[Scion]

All of a sudden the Leafs are a much quicker and heavy team...

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Kerfoot - Tavares - Nylander
Kane - Kampf - Kase
Engvall - Spezza - Mikheyev

 

[Buds17]

Columbus trading for him this summer makes sense, play him for a year at under a mil in cash and flip him to a contender at 50% for more than they paid for him.

Trade away futures for him (I'm assuming?), and then turn around a season later and deal him away also for futures? That seems like an excessive amount to retain on too, even if only for two seasons. Could take something special in terms of an offer for a team to meet whatever that asking price might be.

 

[zeke]

Oh boy. I get why the Leafs fans get so much hate and laughed at. The leafs have a winning record so far.

Yep, sure do. 21 games played against teams out of the playoff race.

3-6-3 against teams in the current playoff race.

Think they can win a playoff race against Tampa (defending cup champions), Florida (powerhouse). Pittsburg likely to pass us in the standings and we will be in a wild card race.

The leafs only seem to be focused on the playoff race and not beating one team in particular because all signs lead us to play them in the first round.

This is not a gloom and doom post. Its about realistic evaluation of this team which is seriously flawed and most people can't see that until Tampa puts the Leafs out in the first round again. Tampa is built to win in the playoffs, they have the experience of winning, they are cup champions. Dubas has your team cash strapped with not much he can do. Sign Kane, get rid of Holl, Engvall and Kerfoot. Bring in another good D man. Thats a start. And if Marner chokes in the playoffs, maybe time to move him too in the off season.

Have fun with that.

This made me want to check our record vs opponent.

Vs Top-8: 9gms, 4-2-3, 11pts, 100pt pace (27gf/24ga, +0.33gl/gm)
Vs 2nd-8: 8gms, 5-3-0, 10pts, 103pt pace (24gf/21ga, +0.38gl/gm)
Vs 3rd-8: 8gms, 6-2-0, 12pts, 123pt pace (32gf/23ga, +1.13gl/gm)
Vs Bot-8: 8gms, 7-1-0, 14pts, 144pt pace (29gf/15ga, +1.75gl/gm)

So excellent against the top teams and increasingly better as the opponents get weaker, as you'd expect. Also the schedule has been at worst even so far but actually probably a touch tougher with the most games against the top 8 teams even though Toronto is in the top 8 too which means there should be fewer.

Anyways, thanks for reminding me to review our schedule so far - very encouraging with no flukiness or worry spots to be seen.

 

[Nylanderthal]

While I agree that our top 9 is good to great, if you can add Kane for the remainder of the season for course to league minimum then it suddenly makes our top 9 close to being the best in the league. Not to mention, having one of Mikheyev or Bunting on our 4th line is some serious depth.

Kane-Matthews-Marner
Kerfoot-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Kampf-Kase
Bunting-Spezza-Simmonds
Engvall

Plz stop with the Kane nonsense, there’s little to no chance this front office even entertains the idea.

 

[LeafChief]

Plz stop with the Kane nonsense, there’s little to no chance this front office even entertains the idea.

They should very much consider it. It makes no sense to me that there are different rules for the Leafs than for other teams. Why should we be okay with Tampa adding Kane but not the Leafs? Because we are afraid of what morons like Damien Cox and Steve Simmons will say?

 

[dubplatepressure]

They should very much consider it. It makes no sense to me that there are different rules for the Leafs than for other teams. Why should we be okay with Tampa adding Kane but not the Leafs? Because we are afraid of what morons like Damien Cox and Steve Simmons will say?

There isn't different rules - that's a false narrative. There are 100% other teams who've already decided to go nowhere near Kane. If TB wants to weaken the chemistry of their team by inserting Kane, then we should let them.

What part of he's a piece of shit is hard to figure out? No one (players) wants him on their team. He's locker room poison.

 

[LeafChief]

There isn't different rules - that's a false narrative. There are 100% other teams who've already decided to go nowhere near Kane. If TB wants to weaken the chemistry of their team by inserting Kane, then we should let them.

What part of he's a piece of shit is hard to figure out? No one (players) wants him on their team. He's locker room poison.

To each their own.

 

[ACC1224]

They should very much consider it. It makes no sense to me that there are different rules for the Leafs than for other teams. Why should we be okay with Tampa adding Kane but not the Leafs? Because we are afraid of what morons like Damien Cox and Steve Simmons will say?

There aren’t different rules but certainly a much brighter spotlight here. I personally could not care less what Tampa does.

 

[LeafChief]

There aren’t different rules but certainly a much brighter spotlight here. I personally could not care less what Tampa does.

The only reason I mentioned Tampa is because we would likely need to go through them. Same with Panthers.

I wouldn't be thrilled to see Tampa/Florida adding Kane for a mill knowing we likely need to play one of them in the first round.

 

[ACC1224]

The only reason I mentioned Tampa is because we would likely need to go through them. Same with Panthers.

I wouldn't be thrilled to see Tampa/Florida adding Kane for a mill knowing we likely need to play one of them in the first round.

Adding players is never a guarantee of anything, it could help or it could backfire. I imagine the Leafs will add some players as well.

If the Leafs put together the best team they can they shouldn't need to worry about others. At this point if they're worried that they can't beat anyone then they haven't done a very good job.

 

[Cor]

 

[LeafChief]

Adding players is never a guarantee of anything, it could help or it could backfire. I imagine the Leafs will add some players as well.

If the Leafs put together the best team they can they shouldn't need to worry about others. At this point if they're worried that they can't beat anyone then they haven't done a very good job.

All good points.

I think adding Kane would make them a better team (on paper). Obviously, there are a lot of variables that come with him. I do like that they would be able to add him cheap and would not have to give up assets.

I guess what I'm saying is I hope the Leafs are at the very least looking into it if some of our rivals are as well.

 

[ACC1224]

All good points.

I think adding Kane would make them a better team (on paper). Obviously, there are a lot of variables that come with him. I do like that they would be able to add him cheap and would not have to give up assets.

I guess what I'm saying is I hope the Leafs are at the very least looking into it if some of our rivals are as well.

Personally I can't see him having any interest in coming here. I would assume either of the Florida teams would be front runners.

 

[ToneDog]

Unless he hates playing in Edmonton, Kane and the Oilers make a good match. Oilers desperate to turn it around and Kane would benefit huge playing with 97 or 29. Leafs are not desperate enough to sign a player with so much baggage. Hell they may never be so desperate.

 

[Cor]

Unless he hates playing in Edmonton, Kane and the Oilers make a good match. Oilers desperate to turn it around and Kane would benefit huge playing with 97 or 29. Leafs are not desperate enough to sign a player with so much baggage. Hell they may never be so desperate.

Oilers seem the right kinda desperate to ignore the Kane baggage.

I still have a hunch it’ll be Vegas

 

[ToneDog]

Oilers seem the right kinda desperate to ignore the Kane baggage.

I still have a hunch it’ll be Vegas

Kane in the city of sin might be a recipe for disaster