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GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART IV

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Ziggdiezan said:
Of all the management groups I would expect to take a PR nightmare like Kane on, Dubas and Co would be among the last. However they did take on Keefe with his history so maybe I'm dead wrong
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You might have missed the whole Pembroke Lumber Kings experience that separated Sheldon Keefe from his junior and NHL careers.
 
Half his salary?? Not sure I'd want Kane for free but I certainly wouldn't want him for a dollar over league minimum.

IMO, it isn't clear at all that this roster isn't good enough.
 
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ACC1224 said:
Half his salary?? Not sure I'd want Kane for free but I certainly wouldn't want him for a dollar over league minimum.

IMO, it isn't clear at all that this roster isn't good enough.
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Really? Did you not see that collapse against Colorado? That happens to the Leafs far to often when the going gets tough.
 
ToneDog said:
Well if we sign Kane, may as well go after Voyonov as well. Two holes filled without giving up any assets.
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Of course Voynov has a contract, so we couldn't sign him, if we wanted to. He is 3rd in KHL D men PPG though.

I wonder about Taylor Beck at a reasonable price in the offseason. Ontario born, played in the KHL last few seasons. 6'2" winger, who is nearly PPG this season. 30 years old, probably his last chance to make it into the NHL for a few years.
 
NMacrules said:
Really? Did you not see that collapse against Colorado? That happens to the Leafs far to often when the going gets tough.
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I doubt Kane would have prevented the loss and I believe that was the first time the team has lost after leading after two.
I guess once could be considered 'far to(sic) often'.

I wouldn't even call it a collapse personally. There was a ton of game left when they went up 3-0.
 
Every team is going to lose, and sometimes in ugly fashion, it's nothing to panic about. We've played pretty well as of late, and were missing some key players.

That doesn't mean we don't improve the team, if we can, on a cost effective basis.
 
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The Podium said:
I’d do 2 years personally at 1 mill

If he smartens up we have a solid top 6 power forward under contract for another season. If not we send him home and bury his 1 mill in the minors.
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Would you put one of Engvall, Simmonds or Spezza on waivers to add Kane to the roster?

I understand that signing Kane at $1.125 million or less would be risk-free from a salary-cap point of view because the Leafs could simply bury his contract in the minors if it doesn't work out. Furthermore, they could simply instruct him not to report to the Marlies to keep him away from their prospects.

However, even at that, bringing him on board might well disrupt the roster and could result in the loss of another player to waivers.

Now that Nick Ritchie has been waived, I don't really see any expendable passengers the Leafs are carrying on their current NHL roster.
 
If I am considering bringing Kane in, it would really be only for a remainder of the year thing to help push the Leafs in a playoff run.

Basically a "come here for cheap deal and try to rehab your image to give you a chance with another team next year". If there are any issues, he's gone.

Matthews, Marner, and Nylander have been around long enough and have had enough playoff failure that I can't imagine Kane rubbing off on them that poorly. And if it was just for one year, it's too short for him to really immerse himself into the room. I can see how he killed other dressing rooms because he was a big name player on a big contract, with a bigger voice. Now he may not have the same kind of pull.

Besides, it's not like the Leafs have a culture of success in the room right now following their playoff flops in the last 5 years. But I wouldn't be bringing him in for the long term.

And this isn't saying I want the Leafs to sign him .. It's just a pro argument.
 
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Seath The Scaleless said:
Just saying it's silly to draw conclusions after one game

For what it's worth, Leafs thoroughly outplayed the Avs in that game so I don't think it mattered who was in net
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Yeah I was there it was brutal. Avs looked like they quit and you couldn't really blame them when everything the Leafs shot seemed to go in the net.
 
The 6ix said:
Would you put one of Engvall, Simmonds or Spezza on waivers to add Kane to the roster?

I understand that signing Kane at $1.125 million or less would be risk-free from a salary-cap point of view because the Leafs could simply bury his contract in the minors if it doesn't work out. Furthermore, they could simply instruct him not to report to the Marlies to keep them away from their prospects.

However, even at that, bringing him on board might well disrupt the roster and could result in the loss of another player to waivers.

Now that Nick Ritchie has been waived, I don't really see any expendable passengers the Leafs are carrying on their current NHL roster.
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Yes Engvall easily without hesitation
 
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The 6ix said:
Would you put one of Engvall, Simmonds or Spezza on waivers to add Kane to the roster?

I understand that signing Kane at $1.125 million or less would be risk-free from a salary-cap point of view because the Leafs could simply bury his contract in the minors if it doesn't work out. Furthermore, they could simply instruct him not to report to the Marlies to keep them away from their prospects.

However, even at that, bringing him on board might well disrupt the roster and could result in the loss of another player to waivers.

Now that Nick Ritchie has been waived, I don't really see any expendable passengers the Leafs are carrying on their current NHL roster.
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I understand your thought process and I don't disagree. I also think the management team has been trying to not disrupt the locker room for a few year now and it hasn't really gotten us anywhere. Kane the hockey player could be incredibly helpful and the risk seems minimal.

There is risk though, obviously. I also don't think the team should cater to the media. f*** the media. Makes no sense to me that the Leafs shouldn't make a move that Florida or Tampa can make without issue.
 
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Fogelhund said:
Of course Voynov has a contract, so we couldn't sign him, if we wanted to. He is 3rd in KHL D men PPG though.

I wonder about Taylor Beck at a reasonable price in the offseason. Ontario born, played in the KHL last few seasons. 6'2" winger, who is nearly PPG this season. 30 years old, probably his last chance to make it into the NHL for a few years.
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Remember when we owned him for like a month? Good times.

I think there are better bargain bin options, and I am not even sure we will need too many, especially if we are finally using some prospects like Joey Anderson/Nick Robertson/Rodion Amirov.

EDIT: Curtis Lazar as a Spezza replacement and Nick Paul as a cheaper Ritchie replacement could be serious considerations.
 
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The 6ix said:
Would you put one of Engvall, Simmonds or Spezza on waivers to add Kane to the roster?

I understand that signing Kane at $1.125 million or less would be risk-free from a salary-cap point of view because the Leafs could simply bury his contract in the minors if it doesn't work out. Furthermore, they could simply instruct him not to report to the Marlies to keep him away from their prospects.

However, even at that, bringing him on board might well disrupt the roster and could result in the loss of another player to waivers.

Now that Nick Ritchie has been waived, I don't really see any expendable passengers the Leafs are carrying on their current NHL roster.
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The dressing room dynamic definately should be considered.

If it were to happen, an additional move with Holl, Engvall, whatever else is needed for a defenseman could follow to create roster space.
 
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Looks like Foligno will be missing time for the Bruins again. Not playing tonight and scheduled for an MRI.

Ritchie has been garbage but I love reading the posts about how we should have known better when the Bruins let him walk. The same Bruins that went and spent 4 million on Foligno.
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
Yes Engvall easily without hesitation
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Engvall might clear waivers and would probably be my choice as well if someone had to be sent down.

However, replacing him with a wildcard like Kane is a high-risk, high-reward gambit that might work, but could leave the roster in worse shape after all is said and done.

If another player – such as Engvall – were lost on waivers and if Kane didn't work out, then the Leafs would have lost a roster player, which is not at all helpful.

There would be less risk if the Leafs weren't so close to the salary-cap and could carry a full 23-man roster. This is one of the consequences of leaving little flexibility on the roster.

If I were the decision-maker, I'm not at all sure that I would be willing to risk much on signing Evander Kane.
 
On one hand the team is playing great hockey and Kane could potentially be a huge drag on their progress, he's a complete wildcard. On the other hand he is free to acquire and will fit into the cap structure and he represents a chance at a real upgrade at a position they could improve on. He could put up some numbers in Toronto playing with Matthews and Mitch that is for sure. I then wonder if they did their deadline shopping for free with Kane, then they can save the blue chip young assets or they could parlay them into something else.

Kane - Matthews - Marner
Giroux - Tavares - Nylander
Kerfoot - Kampf - Kase
Bunting - Spezza - Mikheyev
ex. Simmonds

That would probably be a hard team to beat.
 
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The 6ix said:
Engvall might clear waivers and would probably be my choice as well if someone had to be sent down.

However, replacing him with a wildcard like Kane is a high-risk, high-reward gambit that might work, but could leave the roster in worse shape after all is said and done.

If another player – such as Engvall – were lost on waivers and if Kane didn't work out, then the Leafs would have lost a roster player, which is not at all helpful.

There would be less risk if the Leafs weren't so close to the salary-cap and could carry a full 23-man roster. This is one of the consequences of leaving little flexibility on the roster.

If I were the decision-maker, I'm not at all sure that I would be willing to risk much on signing Evander Kane.
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I don't think Engvall is strong enough of a player to base the decision off of. The decision should be made based off of whether or not they think Kane can help the team.

Anderson, Steeves and even Ho-Sang could be used if everything went to shit and we somehow lost Engvall. The drop-off wouldn't really even be noticeable.
 
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