GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART III

[MarMarSab3]

I imagine they would want good players though.
Dermott is useful, why would they want Holl or Ritchie?

Again he didn't quote the entire deal if you look at the entire deal which also included Robertson Niemela and a 1st

 

[LeafChief]

Chychrun is a good player but I'm not interested if the acquisition cost is more than what it cost to acquire prime Chris Pronger.

 

[francis246]

For starters, our high end forwards couldn't create offense.

Did you watch?

Id agree in 3 out of 7 that was the case. The most frustrating part of this team is they come out flat and give up a ton of chances at the beginning of the game and then they have to claw their way back. To me scoring has never been an issue for this team. Even when the top guys were quiet, the depth guys Kyle acquired were able to score which is good. The problem is the team doesn’t play a full complete game for 60 minutes which includes defending & not leaving Campbell out to dry and scoring early so you don’t have the pressure to play catch up

 

[Magic Man]

They played Columbus and Montreal….

The same Montreal Canadiens that glided to a stanley cup final in the same year and the Columbus Blue Jackets that swept the Lightning in round #1, a team that was coming off a presidents trophy and who topped it off with cups the following two seasons?

 

[LeafChief]

Id agree in 3 out of 7 that was the case. The most frustrating part of this team is they come out flat and give up a ton of chances at the beginning of the game and then they have to claw their way back. To me scoring has never been an issue for this team. Even when the top guys were quiet, the depth guys Kyle acquired were able to score which is good. The problem is the team doesn’t play a full complete game for 60 minutes which includes defending & not leaving Campbell out to dry and scoring early so you don’t have the pressure to play catch up

It sickens me to think back to that series.

The depth looks better this year for sure but I'm not really going to get excited about anything until they can show it in the playoffs. PTSD I guess.

I know you don't agree with the stats (whether they are advanced or not) that @zeke is posting but he's right. The defense really hasn't been the issue over the last 2 years. Matthews/Marner combining for 1 goal in the series against the Habs really killed us.

You're right when you say that the Leafs would be in trouble if one of Muzzin, Rielly or Brodie went down but in reality, so would the majority of teams in the league.

Here's to hoping this is the year they can break through. We all want the same thing (most of us).

 

[Kurtz]

The same Montreal Canadiens that glided to a stanley cup final in the same year and the Columbus Blue Jackets that swept the Lightning in round #1, a team that was coming off a presidents trophy and who topped it off with cups the following two seasons?

His point was that they were both defensive teams.

Also the CBJ we played were quite different than the team that swept TB. No Panarin, no Duchene, no Vezina-level Bobrovsky...

 

[ACC1224]

Again he didn't quote the entire deal if you look at the entire deal which also included Robertson Niemela and a 1st

Dermott, Niemela and the 1st I could see them having interest in, not sure if that's enough.
Robertson needs to play before he has any value and Holl, Ritchie wouldn't interest them at all.

 

[ToneDog]

That wasn't the entire deal he didn't quote the entire deal the deal also included Robertson Niemela and a 1st

Adding Robertson Niemela and a 1st is interesting. One one hand I see it as an overpay on the other you are dumping some salary. Be interesting to know whether Zona would bite.

I still say Zona demands Sandin in any deal for Chychrun.

 

[francis246]

It sickens me to think back to that series.

The depth looks better this year for sure but I'm not really going to get excited about anything until they can show it in the playoffs. PTSD I guess.

I know you don't agree with the stats (whether they are advanced or not) that @zeke is posting but he's right. The defense really hasn't been the issue over the last 2 years. Matthews/Marner combining for 1 goal in the series against the Habs really killed us.

You're right when you say that the Leafs would be in trouble if one of Muzzin, Rielly or Brodie went down but in reality, so would the majority of teams in the league.

Here's to hoping this is the year they can break through. We all want the same thing (most of us).

I wouldn’t say I disagree with @zeke or you for that matter. I think that Zeke’s stats show only just a part of the picture! Zeke is right, we couldn’t score and it sucked, but our defense could def use an upgrade. Especially because the guys who carried our defense have regressed a little bit.

I also do think there is an element of grittiness we are missing. Montreal’s defensemen were a problem and headache to deal with. At the end of the day they outscored us and kept us off the score sheet and that has a lot to do with the job that their defenseman did.

 

[francis246]

we couldn't score.

this too is true

 

[Magic Man]

Adding Robertson Niemela and a 1st is interesting. One one hand I see it as an overpay on the other you are dumping some salary. Be interesting to know whether Zona would bite.

I still say Zona demands Sandin in any deal for Chychrun.

It kind of blocks his path in Toronto long term. Making him less valuable to Toronto. I think it's easier to move on from him, if he could potentially be trapped on the 3rd pairing his entire time here. With Muzzin it's only a matter of time before his body breaks down and Sandin jumps him. His contract here allows Sandin some more time to gain experience and gives the Leafs depth without blocking off the path for Sandin.

If they're actually convinced it's a good idea. I don't see why he wouldn't be included.

 

[Dreakmur]

The same Montreal Canadiens that glided to a stanley cup final in the same year and the Columbus Blue Jackets that swept the Lightning in round #1, a team that was coming off a presidents trophy and who topped it off with cups the following two seasons?

Most people understand that defensive hockey does better in the play-offs. That doesn't change how the numbers zeke presented are skewed.

Columbus and Montreal were the weakest and second weakest offensive teams in the respective play-offs where they met the Leafs. Of course they aren't going to score a lot, so posting a chart where they didn't score a lot doesn't necessarily demonstrate defensive prowess

 

[zeke]

Most people understand that defensive hockey does better in the play-offs. That doesn't change how the numbers zeke presented are skewed.

Columbus and Montreal were the weakest and second weakest offensive teams in the respective play-offs where they met the Leafs. Of course they aren't going to score a lot, so posting a chart where they didn't score a lot doesn't necessarily demonstrate defensive prowess

I already showed the contextualized numbers.

Here's how every team did defensively against the Habs ONLY in the playoffs the past 2 years:

 

[zeke]

but our defense could def use an upgrade.

any team could always use an upgrade everywhere on the roster though.

the issue is when people start talking about some great NEED to make a specific upgrade somewhere when it's not actually a need. and then that goes hand in hand in deciding how much of a price we need or want to pay for a WANT vs. a NEED.

Would it be nice to stack our defense with a fourth top-pair quality dman and give us the best defense corps in hockey? sure.

 

[Dreakmur]

I already showed the contextualized numbers.

Here's how every team did defensively against the Habs ONLY in the playoffs the past 2 years:

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So we did better than 3 bad defensive teams and Vegas playing like junk….

 

[Dekes For Days]

At the end of the day they outscored us and kept us off the score sheet and that has a lot to do with the job that their defenseman did.

Actually, we outscored them in the series, and the only reason it wasn't by more was Price, not their defense.

 

[Dekes For Days]

So we did better than 3 bad defensive teams and Vegas playing like junk….

The other teams ranked 5th, 7th, 8th, 10th, and 28th defensively over that 2-year period. Leafs playoff defensive results were pretty similar to the back-to-back Stanley Cup champions.

 

[zeke]

So we did better than 3 bad defensive teams and Vegas playing like junk….

I don't know how much better you want. Tb was slightly better in goals but they have Vasi.

 

[francis246]

Actually, we outscored them in the series, and the only reason it wasn't by more was Price, not their defense.

well price had clean looks. That I remember very clearly. Their defense did a great job of clearing everyone out.

 

[Avilaj07]

I'm a huge fan of Chychrun, and believe he's a top pairing defenseman. In saying that, the only way I'm interested in acquiring him would be if we someone manage to move Muzzin. It's clear Muzzin is on the downswing of his career and with him being locked up for 2 years after this, that's a major problem.

 

[Koolboss]

Interesting read, however very unlikely in my opinion

Opinion: The Leafs should bring back Nazem Kadri this summer, if the price tag isn't too high | LetsGoLeafs.com

 

[Welsh Maple Leaf]

Didn’t want him to leave

 

[Fonzieleaf]

With the season he's having, it will be too high.

 

[Eat The Rich]

Whoever signs him will massively overpay and there's no way I'd want that contract.

 

[danny90]

Colorado is a contender they are not going to trade kadri who’s having a massive year unless it’s for Campbell