GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART III

[Dreakmur]

The Campbell sample size just keeps getting bigger and bigger. Nothing too controversial, but I'd be willing to say our Leaf core is now Matthews, Tavares, Nylander, Marner, Rielly and Campbell and if you have to pitch something like Muzzin and Mrazek to find the cap space to re-sign Soup and re-shape the defense, you make it happen.

Muzzin is looking like a guy they should unload. Not his fault, but it seems his body is starting to break down.

 

[Stephen]

Muzzin is looking like a guy they should unload. Not his fault, but it seems his body is starting to break down.

Yeah, nothing dramatic. Just regularly scheduled maintenance of the blueline.

 

[zeke]

No but you did throw out toughest minutes for Muzzin on one of the best defensive teams. To me that's starting to open the stats argument. And I'm not going to get into that with you because I'm out of my league. It's also using the team stats to define 1 player. So I would think you'd have to be even better to be the guy getting the tough minutes on a shitty team. But what do I know.

I mean role is massively important. That's not stats. He's the top matchup guy and top PK guy on one of the best defenses in hockey. Hes also been somewhere in the top 25 dmen OFFENSIVELY at even strength for us (similar even strength production as Chychrun even including Chychrun's massive year last year). Thats not easy. Getting big minutes on a bad team is very easy. If we don't discuss role and we don't discuss stats - what are we left with?

As of now chychrun is a talented young dman who has been part of an awful team. He jumped onto everyone's radar last year with a huge offensive explosion (especially in the Goals/ high sh% department) but that's disappeared now. We have seen countless young talented dmen get big minutes on bad teams and look promising and then never be a key part of a good team - names like Bogosian and Myers and OEL come to mind and many others.

Chychrun might be better than those guys, he might not. He definitely has an attractive deal. As a pure addition to the Leafs it might make sense - but chucking away our top matchup and top PK guy to fit him in seems like a lateral move at best, with the risk of leaving us with one less guy to trust against top lines.

Now making a pure add of Chychrun without chucking away another core piece? That's definitely interesting....but I doubt we'd be the high bid there anyways. Many more teams in much more desperate need of a good dman that would gamble plenty on a kid with his skillset. But if Dubas manages to swing a deal based on futures and some contract ballast then that might be fun.

We could move Brodie to the matchup pair with Muzz and then let Chychrun-Rielly feast against secondaries. That would be nice.

Niemela + Amirov + 1st + Kerfoot + Dermott for Chychrun + Lyabushkin.

 

[MarMarSab3]

I mean role is massively important. That's not stats. He's the top matchup guy and top PK guy on one of the best defenses in hockey. Hes also been somewhere in the top 25 dmen OFFENSIVELY at even strength for us (similar even strength production as Chychrun even including Chychrun's massive year last year). Thats not easy. Getting big minutes on a bad team is very easy. If we don't discuss role and we don't discuss stats - what are we left with?

As of now chychrun is a talented young dman who has been part of an awful team. He jumped onto everyone's radar last year with a huge offensive explosion (especially in the Goals/ high sh% department) but that's disappeared now. We have seen countless young talented dmen get big minutes on bad teams and look promising and then never be a key part of a good team - names like Bogosian and Myers and OEL come to mind and many others.

Chychrun might be better than those guys, he might not. He definitely has an attractive deal. As a pure addition to the Leafs it might make sense - but chucking away our top matchup and top PK guy to fit him in seems like a lateral move at best, with the risk of leaving us with one less guy to trust against top lines.

Now making a pure add of Chychrun without chucking away another core piece? That's definitely interesting....but I doubt we'd be the high bid there anyways. Many more teams in much more desperate need of a good dman that would gamble plenty on a kid with his skillset. But if Dubas manages to swing a deal based on futures and some contract ballast then that might be fun.

We could move Brodie to the matchup pair with Muzz and then let Chychrun-Rielly feast against secondaries. That would be nice.

Niemela + Amirov + 1st + Kerfoot + Dermott for Chychrun + Lyabushkin.

Very similar to my earlier proposal of
Holl Ritchie Dermott Robertson Niemela 1st
For
Chychryn Lyubushkin 3rd

 

[Apex Predator]

Very similar to my earlier proposal of
Holl Ritchie Dermott Robertson Niemela 1st
For
Chychryn Lyubushkin 3rd

If the leafs did considering trading for Chychryn I think Sandin will be part of the deal. You have Rielly and Chychryn on the left side so he would always be a bottom pair and have a tough time moving up the line up. Makes sense to trade him as part of the package for a player like Chychrn.

 

[zeke]

Very similar to my earlier proposal of
Holl Ritchie Dermott Robertson Niemela 1st
For
Chychryn Lyubushkin 3rd

I think Kerf's salary would have to be in there (and Zona would like his contract because his salary is lower than his caphit).

And tbh it's still a huge package so Dubas would have to be pretty sure about Chychrun - but if Dubas liked him that much then I'd trust him.

 

[SoftDumpNtheCorner88]

Do people believe Chychrun will be a better player than Sandin?

I dunno

 

[DougGilmour93]

Niemela should be off limits.

 

[Kiwi]

I mean role is massively important. That's not stats. He's the top matchup guy and top PK guy on one of the best defenses in hockey. Hes also been somewhere in the top 25 dmen OFFENSIVELY at even strength for us (similar even strength production as Chychrun even including Chychrun's massive year last year). Thats not easy. Getting big minutes on a bad team is very easy. If we don't discuss role and we don't discuss stats - what are we left with?

As of now chychrun is a talented young dman who has been part of an awful team. He jumped onto everyone's radar last year with a huge offensive explosion (especially in the Goals/ high sh% department) but that's disappeared now. We have seen countless young talented dmen get big minutes on bad teams and look promising and then never be a key part of a good team - names like Bogosian and Myers and OEL come to mind and many others.

Chychrun might be better than those guys, he might not. He definitely has an attractive deal. As a pure addition to the Leafs it might make sense - but chucking away our top matchup and top PK guy to fit him in seems like a lateral move at best, with the risk of leaving us with one less guy to trust against top lines.

Now making a pure add of Chychrun without chucking away another core piece? That's definitely interesting....but I doubt we'd be the high bid there anyways. Many more teams in much more desperate need of a good dman that would gamble plenty on a kid with his skillset. But if Dubas manages to swing a deal based on futures and some contract ballast then that might be fun.

We could move Brodie to the matchup pair with Muzz and then let Chychrun-Rielly feast against secondaries. That would be nice.

Niemela + Amirov + 1st + Kerfoot + Dermott for Chychrun + Lyabushkin.

A 1st, our best forward and defensive prospects, a top 6 winger who can play center and a good youngish bottom pair defenseman

This guy better be a ******* stud because you could have traded that for Eichel, a franchise level PPG #1C

 

[Griffin76]

Do people believe Chychrun will be a better player than Sandin?

I dunno

I do because of skating alone. And maybe a little bit of a size thing. Sandin is solid. But he still gets pushed around a lot. He'll fix that I'm sure. But I don't know about the foot speed. Maybe that's a bit overrated but it sticks out to me.

 

[TMLAM34]

I think any deal for Chychrun would have to start off with Sandin and Robertson going the other way. I don’t see them having a ton of interest in Amirov given all his uncertainty especially for such a struggling small market franchise… Would Amirov even want to leave Russia to play for Arizona?

I think we’d also have to include another piece but that’s a hefty price to pay for a LHD where we’re not struggling… On top of loosing a cost controlled Sandin and Robertson on a cap strapped team…

If Chychrun played the right side more regularly then it would be worth it.

 

[MarMarSab3]

Do people believe Chychrun will be a better player than Sandin?

I dunno

Absolutely he will be Chychryn is likely a top pairing dman Sandin is top 4

 

[Menzinger]

Chychrun is an attractive piece, but I suspect a mid season trade for him would be fairly disruptive to the team. Especially if it resulted in losing two roster players (ie Muzzin + Sandin/ or Kerfoot + Sandin) ect.

All to fill a position the team is fairly fine in as it stands

 

[Buds17]

Do people believe Chychrun will be a better player than Sandin?

I dunno

I don't think it will be by a significant amount if it does happen. The potential problem is that either would have to move to their offhand side in order to play on the top pairing with the Leafs for the foreseeable future. Therefore, I'd probably prefer to stick with the cheaper player that doesn't have to be traded for.

 

[jaric1862]

It's pretty clear that our need is a top 4 defenceman. We shouldn't be blowing out trade assets on forwards.

 

[SoftDumpNtheCorner88]

Any other Dman available that can play in Holls side?

I think our defense system work better like that, they practice zone exits Bette that way.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

It's pretty clear that our need is a top 4 defenceman. We shouldn't be blowing out trade assets on forwards.

Just let Sandin and Liljegren work their way there. Ideally once Muzzin and Brodie's deals are done you can have a base of:

Rielly-Liljegren
Sandin-
Kral?-Niemela

-need a RHD to take Brodies spot but I don't see a pressing need right now.

The bigger issue is actually getting Keefe to play Holl less / sit him again.

 

[zeke]

It's pretty clear that our need is a top 4 defenceman.

 

[Puckstuff]

I’d go with Muzzin until his legs fall off. I think he’s got one more big run in him. I don’t want to let go of players to not even upgrade the top 4. Chych has some nice potential on a good deal but he gives me Some Phaneuf vibes and is far from a mainstay in his own zone or PK. Why go for the mystery box when we have Muzzin? If Muzzin sucks for another 20 games then I can have the conversation at the deadline but not now and Chych isn’t proven enough for me.

 

[TMLAM34]

I think Muzzin is fine. If anything, reducing his minutes would be ideal. He’s playing a little over 21 minutes a night, if we can drop that down to around 19 I think it’ll benefit both the team and the player.

 

[francis246]

I’d go with Muzzin until his legs fall off. I think he’s got one more big run in him. I don’t want to let go of players to not even upgrade the top 4. Chych has some nice potential on a good deal but he gives me Some Phaneuf vibes and is far from a mainstay in his own zone or PK. Why go for the mystery box when we have Muzzin? If Muzzin sucks for another 20 games then I can have the conversation at the deadline but not now and Chych isn’t proven enough for me.

so you think this defensive core is good enough to actually win a championship?

 

[zeke]

so you think this defensive core is good enough to actually win a championship?

It's one of the best dcorps in the league, yes.

 

[ACC1224]

so you think this defensive core is good enough to actually win a championship?

IMO, this Team has everything needed to win.
Talent isn't the issue, it's whether they can flip the playoff switch. Perhaps this is the year they find that extra gear.

 

[Griffin76]

I’d go with Muzzin until his legs fall off. I think he’s got one more big run in him. I don’t want to let go of players to not even upgrade the top 4. Chych has some nice potential on a good deal but he gives me Some Phaneuf vibes and is far from a mainstay in his own zone or PK. Why go for the mystery box when we have Muzzin? If Muzzin sucks for another 20 games then I can have the conversation at the deadline but not now and Chych isn’t proven enough for me.

Why does it have to be 1 or the other? And if Chychrun is a Phaneuf on your second pairing for the next say 7 years, why would that be a bad thing. Phaneuf was miscast as a bonafide number 1. He was a decent number 2. Anybody that's expected to carry a Kostka or Holzer around as a top pair partner on a not very good team gets a bit of a pass by me.

 

[Big Muddy]

Very similar to my earlier proposal of
Holl Ritchie Dermott Robertson Niemela 1st
For
Chychryn Lyubushkin 3rd

Aren't the Yotes a budget team rebuilding and thinking about the future? I don't see players like Holl, Ritchie & Dermott (or players of that ilk) being attractive to a budget team that's rebuilding. Makes sense for the Leafs as they unload salary, but not so much for the them.