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GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART II

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Fogelhund said:
Clearly people see Anderson, and what he does bring that one game.... and a few games in the regular season, and want that. Who wouldn't want that? They just ignore that it isn't consistent.
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We have that in Ritchie. He's just gone a longer stretch than normal without one of those "few games"
 
4thline said:
We have that in Ritchie. He's just gone a longer stretch than normal without one of those "few games"
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While I get the point you are attempting to make... and you are right about Ritchie there, even at his best, Ritchie isn't near the player Anderson is, when he actually shows up.
 
Fogelhund said:
While I get the point you are attempting to make... and you are right about Ritchie there, even at his best, Ritchie isn't near the player Anderson is, when he actually shows up.
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He's not near the forechecker / lane driver that Anderson is, but he's actually a better o-zone player. Better hands, passing, and shot. When he's on Anderson's straight line skating makes him something to behold though. But it's like the power forward version of Berezin. Mostly sizzle.
 
Riley Nash is on waivers. Could be a decent stop gap center depth player for a couple games.
 
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SprDaVE said:
Clearly... most players on waivers aren't.
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The ones who get claimed are typically pretty good.

I'd let him clear and maybe trade Winnipeg a nothing contract (i.e. Kivihalme) to let them clear the one-way salary.

Then he can split his time between the Marlies and the Leafs.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
The ones who get claimed are typically pretty good.

I'd let him clear and maybe trade Winnipeg a nothing contract (i.e. Kivihalme) to let them clear the one-way salary.

Then he can split his time between the Marlies and the Leafs.
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"Pretty good" is very relative. They are typically depth players and rarely ever "very good".

Nash isn't great but he's been ok before. He's pretty good defensively at the very least, basically a poors mans Kampf. Like I said, Spezza being suspended, center depth a little ify... might need a place holder center because Engvall is not very good at it.
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
The ones who get claimed are typically pretty good.

I'd let him clear and maybe trade Winnipeg a nothing contract (i.e. Kivihalme) to let them clear the one-way salary.

Then he can split his time between the Marlies and the Leafs.
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I'd say that in most cases, teams are just looking for stop gap players that can play a stretch with no expectation.

I'd be interested to see what the numbers are in terms of players that are claimed that actually stay with their team the following year.
 
showtime8 said:
I'd say that in most cases, teams are just looking for stop gap players that can play a stretch with no expectation.

I'd be interested to see what the numbers are in terms of players that are claimed that actually stay with their team the following year.
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The numbers are not that great for a claimed player to stay that long in general, mostly because claimed guys usually only have one year left on their deals and it is very rare to want to stay around after that.

Paul Byron is a famous one for Montreal. He has stuck around for a long time. Gustav Forsling for Florida is a top 4 guy for them right now.

Victor Mete and Anton Forsberg with Ottawa. Mike Condon was claimed by Pittsburgh and two weeks later was traded to Ottawa for a 5th round pick despite only playing less than one game for PIT. Ended up playing 40 games for Ottawa that year and did very well. Came back the next year and didn't do as well.

Main thing is most of the guys who do stick around are younger and somewhat established. If you are old and put on waivers, typically it is because you are not very good anymore. Not too many cases of an older guy being claimed on waivers unless a team is desperate.
 
SprDaVE said:
"Pretty good" is very relative.

Nash isn't great but he's been ok before. He's pretty good defensively at the very least, basically a poors mans Kampf. Like I said, Spezza being suspended, Mikheyev still questionable... might need a place holder center because Engvall is not very good at it.
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They are often good enough to play in a lineup every day for a while, or have a ton of promise. Nash is not really either anymore.

Mikheyev is practicing, Marner is not expected to be out very long and was a game time decision for both games this past weekend, and Spezza is not going to get nearly as long of a suspension as Jets fans are calling for. I would rather just give Engvall a game or two at center and use the guys we already have on the roster.

Bunting - Matthews - Nylander/Anderson
Kerfoot - Tavares - Nylander/Anderson
Ritchie - Kampf - Kase
Clifford - Engvall - Simmonds

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Liljegren
Dermott - Holl

Campbell - Mrazek

If Winnipeg wants to dump salary, the Leafs may trade for him after he clears so we have a guy who can be shuttled between the Leafs and Marlies. That has some value, because the Marlies are a bit thin on guys who can line up at center and Nash could be decent playoff depth if we move Engvall at some point.
 
Magic Man said:
I'd just use Engvall at 4C. But, it's not a bad idea, I could see a move like that.
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It's more about insulating and putting him a better position. He's solid on the wing but as a center he seems to struggle. He's terrible at faceoffs as well, which isn't THAT big of a deal but it doesn't help his case. He's fine for a game or in a pinch but if you have someone like Nash hitting the waiver wire, or a Brooks or Amadio, it just gives you someone that is probably better suited for it.

Leafs seem to like Nash after trading for him and even dressing him a couple games last playoffs. I wouldn't be surprised if they give him a shot for a couple games.
 
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Riley Nash would be a bit of an odd pickup since Leafs already have Kampf for that role who is way better, Nash isn't very good outside what he does. They're at least somewhat familiar with him though & it'd give them another pker, right handed guy for draws... could maybe try & waive & stache him in the minors after.

I don't see it though.
 
123offtheglass said:
Riley Nash would be a bit of an odd pickup since Leafs already have Kampf for that role who is way better, Nash isn't very good outside what he does. They're at least somewhat familiar with him though & it'd give them another pker, right handed guy for draws... could maybe try & waive & stache him in the minors after.

I don't see it though.
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That is what I am suggesting, but we let him clear first and then we trade for him similar to what we did with Clifford.
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
That is what I am suggesting, but we let him clear first and then we trade for him similar to what we did with Clifford.
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That's not a bad idea if it's for 'future considerations', they did just lose Semyonov. Looks like they still have 45/50 contracts right now, which is okay.
 
Leafs need an aggressive #4 defenceman. A guy like Manson would be perfect, too bad he makes too much and has no term.
 
jaric1862 said:
Leafs need an aggressive #4 defenceman. A guy like Manson would be perfect, too bad he makes too much and has no term.
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It only works, if we get his at 50%, and Holl is going the other way. The term is a problem, as it's highly unlikely we could resign him. His play this year hasn't been bad, if you are expecting a physical #4.
 
If it's just for a few games couldn't we just call up Steeves or Douglas to play on the 4th line spot? Or do they got to clear waivers to be sent back down?
 
Columbus could be potential trade partner for Holl if they thought Gavrikov - Holl would be an upgrade to their shutdown pair. They're pretty good for their picks & prospect pool; not at all a competitor or anything, but they're competitive for a wildcard spot as of right now.

Andrew Peeke (23) would be a great target who's playing that role right now, he's a decently physical right shot defensive defenseman who has almost 2 years left at 787.5k & is waiver exempt. We'll see him play tomorrow.
 
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LaPlante94 said:
If it's just for a few games couldn't we just call up Steeves or Douglas to play on the 4th line spot? Or do they got to clear waivers to be sent back down?
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Steeves has been more of a winger according to reports and posters. Douglas is on an AHL deal, so he’d need a contract first.
Both would be waiver safe.
Engvall can get a few games centring the fourth line, or in a bigger shuffle Kerfoot could centre a line for a few.
Really not many C’s on the Marlies ready for that kinda role.
 
aingefan said:
Steeves has been more of a winger according to reports and posters. Douglas is on an AHL deal, so he’d need a contract first.
Both would be waiver safe.
Engvall can get a few games centring the fourth line, or in a bigger shuffle Kerfoot could centre a line for a few.
Really not many C’s on the Marlies ready for that kinda role.
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Abramov has been playing in a defensive role. It is probably too early for him to get a look, but one game is not a big deal.
 
If the rumours about Ho-Sang are true perhaps they’re going to run Willy at centre for a few games and use JHS on JT’s wing?
 
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