Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - 2022-23 Edition - Postseason Success can't be a Myth!

[57special]

I suspect that Greenway will be moved for a try hard, bottom six grinder.

If Dumba was going to be moved for something significant, you’d think he would’ve done it by now, so he’ll probably finish out his contract with us. I get frustrated with his play at times, but overall, I’ll be sad to see him go. I have fond memories of the whole Suter, Brodin, Scandella, Spurgeon, Dumba group.

You know, Toews has definitely faded, but if you look at his career he was never a big points guy. It’s amazing the hype he got early on because he was captain of a Cup winner.

 

[Bazeek]

I suspect that Greenway will be moved for a try hard, bottom six grinder.

If Dumba was going to be moved for something significant, you’d think he would’ve done it by now, so he’ll probably finish out his contract with us. I get frustrated with his play at times, but overall, I’ll be sad to see him go. I have fond memories of the whole Suter, Brodin, Scandella, Spurgeon, Dumba group.

Agreed on Dumba. It's not a reason to keep him around, but I'll miss the personality. This team increasingly has the charisma of dry toast.

 

[57special]

Agreed on Dumba. It's not a reason to keep him around, but I'll miss the personality. This team increasingly has the charisma of dry toast.

Don’t know if it will get better. Rossi is like Brodin without the charisma.

Personally, I don’t care. A mediocre team with personality is just annoying to me, at this point. As Guerin said, “ it’s about f***ing winning!”

 

[thestonedkoala]

Don’t know if it will get better. Rossi is like Brodin without the charisma.

Personally, I don’t care. A mediocre team with personality is just annoying to me, at this point. As Guerin said, “ it’s about f***ing winning!”

The thing is Guerin rather have a mediocre team with personality than a good team without personality.

 

[Minnewildsota]

The thing is Guerin rather have a mediocre team with personality than a good team without personality.

The thing is, you have absolutely no proof of this at all.

 

[roon]

The thing is, you have absolutely no proof of this at all.

The current roster is pretty much proof of exactly that.

 

[57special]

The thing is Guerin rather have a mediocre team with personality than a good team without personality.

It’s not so much that. Guerin is simply tap dancing around the fact that the team that he is running is not going to be a realistic Cup contender for the first 5 years of his tenure. All the other words he is spouting are to distract us from that fact.

 

[thestonedkoala]

The thing is, you have absolutely no proof of this at all.

Bringing in Ryan Reaves, bringing in Ian Cole. Signing Sam Steel. Keeping Goligoski. Signing back Fleury. Mediocre talents, but apparently good personalities.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Meh. I think Toews is going to end up like Giroux like deal.

Giroux was over a ppg with Florida and did not have a significant drop in production like Toews did.

Bringing in Ryan Reaves, bringing in Ian Cole. Signing Sam Steel. Keeping Goligoski. Signing back Fleury. Mediocre talents, but apparently good personalities.

Every team has stop gap and change of scenery type players. This isn’t something specific to the Wild.

 

[kfan22]

Not good enough to be buyers.

Neither is anyone in West except Colorado

 

[DeagleJenkins]

Neither is anyone in West except Colorado

That does not mean we need to buy. Just making it and hoping on a good run like years past is not good enough in my book. I’m tired of hoping to hit lightning in a bottle. I want to have that lightning already built into the team and we just need to be able to be healthy going into the playoffs to stand a chance rather than ohhh maybe fleury can get hot and we get carried to round two.

 

[MuckOG]

That does not mean we need to buy. Just making it and hoping on a good run like years past is not good enough in my book. I’m tired of hoping to hit lightning in a bottle. I want to have that lightning already built into the team and we just need to be able to be healthy going into the playoffs to stand a chance rather than ohhh maybe fleury can get hot and we get carried to round two.

ok...But is it reasonable to expect any team that is playoff bound to become a seller? Maybe you can point to examples where that's been the case, but I can't think of any playoff bound team in recent history that decided to start trading away players for futures.

I don't think that ownership, or the fan base at-large, would stand for that.

 

[roon]

ok...But is it reasonable to expect any team that is playoff bound to become a seller? Maybe you can point to examples where that's been the case, but I can't think of any playoff bound team in recent history that decided to start trading away players for futures.

I don't think that ownership, or the fan base at-large, would stand for that.

I would expect this TDL to play out very similar to the last one. Sit tight with the current group or maybe pickup a veteran re-tread on an expiring contract for "Grit and experience".

 

[MuckOG]

I would expect this TDL to play out very similar to the last one. Sit tight with the current group or maybe pickup a veteran re-tread on an expiring contract for "Grit and experience".

I'm ok with this scenario. I wouldn't be giving up 1st - 2nd round picks or our better prospects at the TDL this year.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Neither is anyone in West except Colorado

This statement feels contradictory to the not buying crowd IMO. If no one is good enough except Colorado, why the hell shouldn't you buy?

 

[57special]

So, what makes CO the only team worth mentioning in the West? I get that VGK’s recent injury news hurts their chances, but Dallas is playing really well, led by a couple of young players in their prime up front and a great D corps. Don’t know what to make of Winnipeg, but they certainly have talent up front….and Morrissey playing out of his mind.

 

[roon]

I'm ok with this scenario. I wouldn't be giving up 1st - 2nd round picks or our better prospects at the TDL this year.

Then you should also be ok with a 1st round exit and a draft pick in the mid 20's.

I think most of the fan base is sick of that same old record being played over and over again - which is why there are people advocating to sell even though it looks like they are a playoff team currently.

 

[Minnewildsota]

Then you should also be ok with a 1st round exit and a draft pick in the mid 20's.

I think most of the fan base is sick of that same old record being played over and over again - which is why there are people advocating to sell even though it looks like they are a playoff team currently.

Right, but you have to understand that making the playoffs is free money for management. Hockey is a business.

 

[keppel146]

Thoughts on a 2nd round pick for Toews or JVR?

I’d rather trade picks to move up in the draft. (We sent a 3rd to EDM to move up 2 spots.)

 

[MuckOG]

Then you should also be ok with a 1st round exit and a draft pick in the mid 20's.

I think most of the fan base is sick of that same old record being played over and over again - which is why there are people advocating to sell even though it looks like they are a playoff team currently.

I would prefer the team making it to the 2nd round and losing over missing the playoffs or a 1st round exit and getting a pick in the mid 20's. The experience and confidence gained by our core players would be more valuable than moving up a few slots to pick a player that wouldn't help us for another 3-4 years in the future, if ever.

I don't think the fans on this site are representative of the larger fan base. I think most fans would prefer the excitement of winning at least 1 round and at least being competitive in the 2nd round than they would missing in the playoffs and/or losing in the first round just to move up 5 or so draft positions.

 

[AKL]

The experience and confidence gained by our core players would be more valuable

That didn't really work out the last go around. Hope this time is different.

than moving up a few slots to pick a player that wouldn't help us for another 3-4 years in the future, if ever.

Also kind of a weird way to talk about the draft. It's not like it's some fringe conspiracy theory that good teams are built through the draft in this league. That's pretty well established at this point.

 

[keppel146]

I would prefer the team making it to the 2nd round and losing over missing the playoffs or a 1st round exit and getting a pick in the mid 20's. The experience and confidence gained by our core players would be more valuable than moving up a few slots to pick a player that wouldn't help us for another 3-4 years in the future, if ever.

I don't think the fans on this site are representative of the larger fan base. I think most fans would prefer the excitement of winning at least 1 round and at least being competitive in the 2nd round than they would missing in the playoffs and/or losing in the first round just to move up 5 or so draft positions.

A few slots could be the difference between having wallstedt vs not? Sometimes a few spots in the draft is all it takes. Or Brayden point vs Belpedio.

 

[MuckOG]

That didn't really work out the last go around. Hope this time is different.



Also kind of a weird way to talk about the draft. It's not like it's some fringe conspiracy theory that good teams are built through the draft in this league. That's pretty well established at this point.

Yes, teams are built through the draft. But are you one of those suggesting that we tank during Kaprizov's prime years in the hope that we can build a contender in 5-7 years? If that's the case, why aren't you just proposing that we trade #97 right now and really go for the tank?

A few slots could be the difference between having wallstedt vs not? Sometimes a few spots in the draft is all it takes. Or Brayden point vs Belpedio.

Yes, or it could mean jack squat. Regardless, that player won't help us next year or in even the next 3-4 years.

 

[Minnewildsota]

A few slots could be the difference between having wallstedt vs not? Sometimes a few spots in the draft is all it takes. Or Brayden point vs Belpedio.

These are weird examples.

Wallstedt was drafted at #20, where about you would pick if you made the playoffs.

Belpedio was taken one spot after Point. That's like winning one less game in the regular season (guestimate)

 

[AKL]

But are you one of those suggesting that we tank during Kaprizov's prime years

No, I'm not.

Regardless, that player won't help us next year or in even the next 3-4 years.

Losing in the first round didn't help the last group of players we had make a Cup run in any subsequent years, so why are you so eager to try that again?