They could very well have both Toews and Perry. I'm sure they are not done yet. As long as they aren't signing long term deals it won't hurt.
Am I crazy or is Nemec not worth double what Mercer is worth? And that's saying something
Trade and FA Rumours 2022/23 Part 2
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I don't think it's helpful to keep thinking that the Jets should get trade value for what Hellebuyck and Scheifele have been, instead of what they'll be in the future (performance and salary). The Jets have already received substantial value from both players over the past several years. Now, they need to get what they can in trade value and move forward, even if it's for rental prices, just as they did with Ladd and Trouba and Copp. Of course the Jets could have gotten much more trade value a few years ago for both, but then they wouldn't have them at good value for those years.
For the Jets, the positive is that they have gotten the best years at the best contract values for core players, and their next team will get less value.
So Chevy's job is to get the best value possible at the most opportune time, and not worry too much if critics compare trade value to what they would have fetched previously.
For the Jets, the positive is that they have gotten the best years at the best contract values for core players, and their next team will get less value.
So Chevy's job is to get the best value possible at the most opportune time, and not worry too much if critics compare trade value to what they would have fetched previously.
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Mercer is only 21 and has 98 points in two seasons with NJ, while Nemec has played 0 NHL games. There's no shot Nemec is worth double. Mercer is a high level guy and he's got 5 more years of team control.
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Yeah we ain't getting a premier young player for either based on what the market is saying.
But I do think WPG could get Alex Holtz from NJ, which look, he hasn't lit the world on fire since his draft year, but has shown promise a the AHL level, and is 21. It's a volume play.
Would any one trade perfetti for a 30 year old ufa goalie? If the answer is no, then think of what njd would say for a similar aged player that's lapped him in production
We may get a premier prospect for Helle from a team like Buffalo and NJ that have their rosters largely set upfront. With Buffalo getting Benson this year I'd say Savoie is even more available due to their org depth of RS centers and wingers.
A TOP 5 goalie...literally one of the best in the world..
You should weight that question accordingly...as if we were in a contender window...
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I’m thinking Helle is gone at the TDL. I’m wondering if GM’s are negotiating for him, or his ask is too high to even start talks for a trade.
Yes and Mercer is a big reason they are in that window and his elc and non arb rights in a year help keep them there.
Contending teams don't often trade key pieces of their rosters. They trade side pieces or futures.
Don't care who....weight the question properly...not some scrub Ufa that noone want or won't pay for
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Helle wants to win a cup and be highly compensated, unfortunately contending teams who are in win now mode and want to upgrade their goaltending the interest is luke warm at best.
I am weighing it properly. The market doesn't seem to want him at 9.5 million or he would have been dealt easily. The fact the market is cool should tell you something. It tells me teams don't value goaltending the same as us fans do.
Teams seem to be quite content to try their hand at platoon options that they can get at a fraction of the cost.
Still not many teams are giving up big assets. The best return I've ever seen for a goalie was 9th overall in what was considered a weaker draft and that goalie was signed for another 2 years and was 3 years younger than Helle. Now factor in that he wants a massive likely 6-8 year contract at $9.5+m to stay there and it gets pretty murky going forward.
As great as Helle is you just don't really know going forwards and the UFA crop has plenty of servicable options. As we've seen you don't need a top 5 goalie in the league to win a cup.
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I am aware of his ranking. You can check the Helle thread on how big of a fan I am of his, and paramount he is to this team.
He's top 5 goalie that's a year away from ufa, wanting 9M as a 31 year old. It seems like teams aren't feeling that value for him, regardless of how good he is. Teams aren't trading a young elc player that scored nearly 60 pts for him imo. And other than the EDM series he been teetering on average in the PO's as of late.
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As I said earlier Helle missed his pay window by about 2-3 years, the Knights had starts from 5 different goalies none of who made big coin and got lucky that one of them became hot at the right time, oh and their high priced goalie was on ltir.
I think the Price and Bob contracts have scared teams. Both were equally as accomplished through their 20's as Helle. Both contracts were/are absolutely disasters. Montreal got one good year out of it. Florida got one good playoff run. Otherwise they have been some of the worst value contracts around.
I feel for Helle but I doubt many teams are going to take that risk.
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You get the feeling that the only team that might get close to what he wants may be the Jets and he has made his feelings known about staying here. Is 7.5 -8m for 5 years acceptable to the masses or am I out to lunch.
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I like this strategy. Two goalies, one stone. Or two goalies both stoned. Ah hell... I do like the strategy.
But seriously, I absolutely hate losing Helly. Get rid of the rest of them but would love to see Helly stay.
You only get a generational goalie with 3 Vezina nominations maybe what, once in a generation? So hard to find. If we're just re-tooling, a Vezina goalie is your starting point. But that bridge has already sailed and we're in for some troubled waters without him.
Helly was a joy to have here especially after having lived through Pierre Hamel, Doug Soetaert, Pokey and the Bandit, Rick Tabaracci, Al Montoya and of course Ondrej Pavelec. I wish him well but shudder at the prospect without him. We have been spoiled and a dose of goalie reality is going to be a mackeral across the chops next year. Games could get ugly if the loose Jets show up with no Helly in saviour mode.
I’ve argued this a few times but the plan can’t be that we will trade Helly and Scheifele at the TDL. That just guarantee's another shit show season when more than anything we need stability and direction.
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So lets go back to 2015... Pavs had a good 2014-15 season and then sucked in the playoffs - just like Vanecek - we had a young team of budding stars who unlike NJD had just made the playoffs but were projected to cup contenders
Or 2016 Jets are prob better example... we're real contenders - Buff is your main guy - so a RHD prospect seems expendable (Nemec is behind Hamilton for five more years) - if we don't have Helle... Would you have traded Ehlers or JoMo - for say Ben Bishop or Tuuka Rask... I would have in a heartbeat
If Helle's asking for 7 years its not going to happen - everyone sees the drop off at 35 in all goalies... but 5 years of Helle probably gets you a Stanley Cup - and teams only need one
I've argued that. The Jets need to get their goalie and let the Helle situation take care of itself. We can't get stuck holding the bag if it takes us forever to deal him and then find ourselves with nothing left on the market.
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Why do the Jets need stability? We haven't been a contender since 2017-18... isn't this the year for upheaval since the old core is leaving?
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