Confirmed with Link: TOR sign G Ilya Samsonov to 1 year, 1.8M deal

[SoftDumpNtheCorner88]

IIRC Samsonov is RFA at end of year so getting a good pay day would be via offersheet.

Oh nice didn't know that!.

So he gets what we give him (unless he files arbitration). Buy if he has a good season and takes the job, I can't see us investing too much with our cap situation. So if he's asking for too much he could be a good trade chip also. Depending on how good or bad Murray is of course

 

[Golden_Jet]

IIRC Samsonov is RFA at end of year so getting a good pay day would be via offersheet.

Or arbritration award.

 

[as Pure as Evil]

People are underestimating how good this tandem is going to be. Samsonov is going to steal the net, and Murray is going to be really good with better numbers than all our goalies from last year. Time will tell but I am confident in this group.

after watching andersen not able to stop a beach ball 2 years back and following up watching jack unable to stop anything for half a season maybe 3/4s. i dont think its going to be hard for these 2 to improve on the disaster of the last 2 tenders contract seasons.

we will get more consistent and steady goaltending this season and its not going to be close

 

[exporta]

Can we name the last team that found their goalie at the TD, that lead them to Stanley Cup success?

Closest I can recall is Dwayne Roloson, and he only went to game 7 final.

It doesn’t happen.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Anyone here follow the Caps?

Give us your opinion on Samsonov.

 

[ACC1224]

Anyone here follow the Caps?

Give us your opinion on Samsonov.

There is a goaltending thread on the Caps board. Impression I got is most would have preferred that he be kept.

 

[Chief Berube]

after watching andersen not able to stop a beach ball 2 years back and following up watching jack unable to stop anything for half a season maybe 3/4s. i dont think its going to be hard for these 2 to improve on the disaster of the last 2 tenders contract seasons.

we will get more consistent and steady goaltending this season and its not going to be close

100% agree

 

[RoadWarrior]

after watching andersen not able to stop a beach ball 2 years back and following up watching jack unable to stop anything for half a season maybe 3/4s. i dont think its going to be hard for these 2 to improve on the disaster of the last 2 tenders contract seasons.

we will get more consistent and steady goaltending this season and its not going to be close

Oh no it can get worse. Especially with the leafs leaky D and pressure cooker of playing in Toronto.

 

[as Pure as Evil]

Oh no it can get worse. Especially with the leafs leaky D and pressure cooker of playing in Toronto.

i think your forgetting how bad it was . . when you had campbell and mrazek letting in 5+ goals a game for half of a season lets not forget without kallgren coming in and getting some wins it could have been a lot worse then it ended up being

 

[RoadWarrior]

i think your forgetting how bad it was . . when you had campbell and mrazek letting in 5+ goals a game for half of a season lets not forget without kallgren coming in and getting some wins it could have been a lot worse then it ended up being

It would have been worse with alternate goalies.

The truth is that goaltending has been on the decline league wide for a few years now. Strange how nobody wants to be bombarded with rubber pucks travelling at 90 mph anymore.

If you're expecting better from Murray/Samsonov you're going to be sorely disappointed.

 

[as Pure as Evil]

It would have been worse with alternate goalies.

The truth is that goaltending has been on the decline league wide for a few years now. Strange how nobody wants to be bombarded with rubber pucks travelling at 90 mph anymore.

If you're expecting better from Murray/Samsonov you're going to be sorely disappointed.

we will agree to disagree, if you cant see the promise of getting a YOUNG starting goaltender for nothing who if anything else has time pedigree and will get a chance to play with young core. . and another guy who has been a playoff performer and a 2 time Stanley cup winner. i dont know what to say

sure you werent one of the people clamoring last November to give jack 6x6

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Yea, its kind of a weird list and the Edmonton/Toronto differences

The author rightly lists Campbell as having far poorer underlying numbers than Smith last season but yet still calls him a better goalie for Edmonton to have this season in comparison as his last season was probably an outlier in his total sample size of...1...full season as a starter.

Sure, goalies are unpredictable but one of the worst starters in the league in the 2nd half of the season going to a team with worse team D doesnt sound very solid to me. Campbell might even start out well but there are serious questions about his durability over a full season for sure.

Meanwhile, both Murray (who also held better numbers than Campbell) and Samonov are going to a far more goalie friendly system and its not mentioned that injuries are the biggest worry.

Smith really sucks. I think Campbell will put up good numbers there similar to here but I don’t think he’ll ever actually take them any further than they’ve already been. If they get our version of playoff Jack, that’s a guarantee.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Yea, its kind of a weird list and the Edmonton/Toronto differences

The author rightly lists Campbell as having far poorer underlying numbers than Smith last season but yet still calls him a better goalie for Edmonton to have this season in comparison as his last season was probably an outlier in his total sample size of...1...full season as a starter.

Sure, goalies are unpredictable but one of the worst starters in the league in the 2nd half of the season going to a team with worse team D doesnt sound very solid to me. Campbell might even start out well but there are serious questions about his durability over a full season for sure.

Meanwhile, both Murray (who also held better numbers than Campbell) and Samonov are going to a far more goalie friendly system and its not mentioned that injuries are the biggest worry.

Yost’s goalie rankings.

Yost: Grading every NHL team’s goaltending depth | TSN

Travis Yost's multi-series talent tiers feature continues, now shifting to the goaltenders. Ever the mysterious (and unpredictable) position, take a look at how the goaltending depth charts rank across all 32 teams.

www.tsn.ca

Do think this ranking is just opinion?

 

[Mess]

i think your forgetting how bad it was . . when you had campbell and mrazek letting in 5+ goals a game for half of a season lets not forget without kallgren coming in and getting some wins it could have been a lot worse then it ended up being

Perhaps people are forgetting how bad it was, but that is why they keep official NHL records.

2021-22 regular season stats

Goal Against Average
=========================
1) Jack Campbell ........ 2.64 (14th overall)
2) Ilya Samsonov .............. 3.02 (35th)
3) Matt Murray ................. 3.04 (36th)

Save Percentage
=======================
1) Jack Campbell ..... .914 sv% (15th overall)
2) Matt Murray ............. .904 sv% (35th)
3) Ilya Samsonov .......... .896 sv% (45th)

Wins
=========================
1) Jack Campbell ....... 31 wins (11th)
2) Ilya Samsonov ............ 23 wins (20th)
3) Matt Murray ................ 5 wins ( 55th)

PS. Eric Kallgren ... 12 games ... 8 wins ... 3.31 GAA & .888 sv% ..

 

[as Pure as Evil]

Perhaps people are forgetting how bad it was, but that is why they keep official NHL records.

2021-22 regular season stats

Goal Against Average
=========================
1) Jack Campbell ........ 2.64 (14th overall)
2) Ilya Samsonov .............. 3.02 (35th)
3) Matt Murray ................. 3.04 (36th)

Save Percentage
=======================
1) Jack Campbell ..... .914 sv% (15th overall)
2) Matt Murray ............. .904 sv% (35th)
3) Ilya Samsonov .......... .896 sv% (45th)

Wins
=========================
1) Jack Campbell ....... 31 wins (11th)
2) Ilya Samsonov ............ 23 wins (20th)
3) Matt Murray ................ 5 wins ( 55th)

PS. Eric Kallgren ... 12 games ... 8 wins ... 3.31 GAA & .888 sv% ..

now by chance do you have the numbers separated.

his godly start from october to december 14

followed by his stretch from the restart at the end of december to april.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

If edmonton is in solid we should be in that tier as well

Or even Colorado, Ottawa, and San Jose.

This is how they describe Colorado:

The Avalanche are so deep and so talented that they need just average goaltending – and quite frankly they could get by with worse than that – to plow through the regular season. A platoon of Alex Georgiev and Pavel Francouz will be able to handle just that. Something to watch: Georgiev has seen his save percentage (largely a team-driven statistic) decline for four consecutive seasons. Do we see a rebound on an Avalanche team with a lot more structure up front?

If it is a largely team-driven statistic, then shouldn't we see our guys do much better behind a team that this article described as "elite"? This writeup effectively describes Toronto to a tee. Georgiev is expected to be their starter, but he has looked eerily similar to Samsonov the past 3 years and Samsonov is entering this year as our backup.

 

[andora]

Or even Colorado, Ottawa, and San Jose.

This is how they describe Colorado:


If it is a largely team-driven statistic, then shouldn't we see our guys do much better behind a team that this article described as "elite"? This writeup effectively describes Toronto to a tee. Georgiev is expected to be their starter, but he has looked eerily similar to Samsonov the past 3 years and Samsonov is entering this year as our backup.

Spot on in my opinion

 

[Dekes For Days]

Looks like Leafs inherited a Tier 2 goalie in Freddy Andersen and let him walk, and downgraded that to a Tier 3 in Jack Campbell whom they let walk and Tier 5 in Petr Mrazek, and now settled for a pair of Tier 4 high risk gambles Matt Murray and Ilya Samsonov, coming off really poor seasons.

No, it doesn't look like that (even though that wouldn't even represent a downgrade for the Leafs anyway). These are team rankings (and pretty bad and inconsistent ones at that), not individual goalie rankings. Rittich, for example, is not a "tier 1 goalie". You're reading this list in a fundamentally incorrect way.

And for the record, the Leafs inherited a goalie that was bad for 2 straight years before being let go. Campbell was better than Andersen and stole the job, and then was a negative this past year. Murray is not coming off a "really poor season". He's coming off a season that was better than every single one of our goalies last year.

You asked which teams in the list considered themselves contenders, and you got the answer - quite a few. It would be interesting to look at past years and see how the tiers align with the quality of goaltending the teams get in the following year. Perhaps that would help you realize how little these tiers mean when it comes to goaltending.

 

[The Iceman]

Can we name the last team that found their goalie at the TD, that lead them to Stanley Cup success?

Jake Allen TO THE CUP AND BEYOND!!!

 

[Stephen]

Wouldn't be shocked to see Leafs looking for a goalie at the trade deadline
AND
I am OK with that.

You shouldn't be ok with that. If the Leafs haven't solidified their goaltending position between Samsonov and Murray or found a darkhorse in house by the trade deadline, the season will have either gone off the rails completely. Plus you've seen the Leafs negotiating under pressure...

 

[Leaffan197703]

Both Murray and samsonov were playing behind a defense core that were no where as good as toronto was the only defenseman that Ottawa has that I would good to elite is Thomas Chabot and Washington is John Carlson the rest are a mixed bag of ok to why are you in the nhl. Let's see how Murray and samsonov play behind a legitimate good defense and let's see how Jack Campbell plays in Edmonton with Cody ceci and Tyson barrie as two of Edmonton top 4 defense

 

[Stephen]

Both Murray and samsonov were playing behind a defense core that were no where as good as toronto was the only defenseman that Ottawa has that I would good to elite is Thomas Chabot and Washington is John Carlson the rest are a mixed bag of ok to why are you in the nhl. Let's see how Murray and samsonov play behind a legitimate good defense and let's see how Jack Campbell plays in Edmonton with Cody ceci and Tyson barrie as two of Edmonton top 4 defense

I believe it was InGoal Radio that talked about what made Murray successful in Pittsburgh before things went sideways. They cited Murray having the support of a Penguin blueline that knew how to protect the cross crease plays, but as that declined, Murray's cross ice lateral weaknesses were exposed. And he's spent the past few years rebuilding his stance and his game. So we'll see what happens but hopefully the defensive game plan is taking those items into consideration when they think about the protection our new goalies require.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I believe it was InGoal Radio that talked about what made Murray successful in Pittsburgh before things went sideways. They cited Murray having the support of a Penguin blueline that knew how to protect the cross crease plays, but as that declined, Murray's cross ice lateral weaknesses were exposed. And he's spent the past few years rebuilding his stance and his game. So we'll see what happens but hopefully the defensive game plan is taking those items into consideration when they think about the protection our new goalies require.

Dumo, Cole, Hainsey are guys that do not get enough credit.

I know they missed Letang that one playoff run but even though those guys might not be leading a rush as defenseman, they can likely limit the cross ice business for a guy like Murray who might be okay.

Murray's glove is so-so at times too.

 

[darrylsittler27]

He is better than Mrazek and could play really well being on a one year. He will have something to prove.

 

[Its not your fault]

Oh nice didn't know that!.

So he gets what we give him (unless he files arbitration). Buy if he has a good season and takes the job, I can't see us investing too much with our cap situation. So if he's asking for too much he could be a good trade chip also. Depending on how good or bad Murray is of course

Alot of doors opened and that's okay.