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I keep hearing that there are only a few star goalies in the league, that’s great but some teams have those great goalies. My question may seem simplistic but why have the Leafs shown no interest in drafting and attempting to get one of these goalies. It seems like we are always working on some questionable long shot reclamation project in net. This is all Dubas does. Maybe he should have focused a little more of his time on building a goalie pipeline and prospects instead of just concentrating on a few forwards. We might not have to rely so much of our season on if the latest scrap heap goalie can turn it around or stay healthy. It seems like that’s all we ever do. Great way to waste our cup window

I understand where you are coming from, but there are two problems with just assuming the Leafs won’t draft a higher goalie, in hopes of getting a stud. 1) There aren’t usually many high ranked goalies available and they need to be available where you are selecting 2) less than half of the goalies we’d classify as top tier were actually drafted high.

To further compound the issue, even if Dubas hit on a goalie selection in his first draft, they likely only be on the cusp now of the NHL. It’s hard to judge where goaltenders are at developmentally.

Look at some guys right now that either are top tier or were recently considered so: Shesterkin, Vasi, Markstrom, Demko, Hellebuyck, Gibson. All drafted between 2008 and 2014. On average a decade into their careers.

Don’t be mistaken, there is a lot of luck involved in being in position to draft a top tier goalie, whether they go early or late in the draft. I’m not at all convinced Dubas wouldn’t take a goalie high if the opportunity presented itself where it wasn’t a reach
 
I understand where you are coming from, but there are two problems with just assuming the Leafs won’t draft a higher goalie, in hopes of getting a stud. 1) There aren’t usually many high ranked goalies available and they need to be available where you are selecting 2) less than half of the goalies we’d classify as top tier were actually drafted high.

To further compound the issue, even if Dubas hit on a goalie selection in his first draft, they likely only be on the cusp now of the NHL. It’s hard to judge where goaltenders are at developmentally.

Look at some guys right now that either are top tier or were recently considered so: Shesterkin, Vasi, Markstrom, Demko, Hellebuyck, Gibson. All drafted between 2008 and 2014. On average a decade into their careers.

Don’t be mistaken, there is a lot of luck involved in being in position to draft a top tier goalie, whether they go early or late in the draft. I’m not at all convinced Dubas wouldn’t take a goalie high if the opportunity presented itself where it wasn’t a reach

To add onto that, if we are taking out the really premier guys like Cossa, Askarov, Wallstedt, and Knight (since none of them were available with our picks anyways, so we'd need to trade up for them), the goalie crops really have not yielded too many guys who, to this point, have looked all that impressive.

It is still early of course, but even then, Hofer and Dostal seem like the only ones who look regrettable at this point. Stotts did not pan out and those guys were taken soon after. However, Dubas only had a few weeks with the board for that draft, so we may have not been able to scout these guys enough for them to warrant a selection.

I think the ones that somewhat screams iffy to me at this point is taking Akhtyamov over Bednar (could have also moved up a few spots to get Garand too, but we can let that one go). Bednar is not exactly an elite prospect in his own right, but I had little faith in Akhtyamov then and he hasn't done anything to change that at this point. Levi and Wolf going late of course possibly too, especially since the guys we took over them (Akhtyamov, Rindell, Fusco and Loponen namely) were not exactly guys who should have been high priorities anyways, but being smaller goalies, there are always risks. It is the same thing with Sergei Ivanov this year, but I would have easily taken him (or Ty Young) over Grebyonkin.

I think the real slap in the face was taking Moldenhauer over Brennan though. Brennan is a guy who would have been a Woll-level prospect for us with legit starting potential and would have easily been in the mix of the guys found after the Robertson/Niemela/Amirov/Knies tier. Moldenhauer is a solid prospect himself, but he is nothing special. He is a complimentary winger who is, at best, in the mid-late teens in our pool and surrounded by a bunch of other solid but unspectacular talent that we have routinely accumulated through free agency and mid-late round picks (including Lisowsky, who oddly fell to the 7th round of the same draft). Maybe Moldenhauer works out and Brennan does not, but that is probably a safer bet than most.
 
To add onto that, if we are taking out the really premier guys like Cossa, Askarov, Wallstedt, and Knight (since none of them were available with our picks anyways, so we'd need to trade up for them), the goalie crops really have not yielded too many guys who, to this point, have looked all that impressive.

It is still early of course, but even then, Hofer and Dostal seem like the only ones who look regrettable at this point. Stotts did not pan out and those guys were taken soon after. However, Dubas only had a few weeks with the board for that draft, so we may have not been able to scout these guys enough for them to warrant a selection.

I think the ones that somewhat screams iffy to me at this point is taking Akhtyamov over Bednar (could have also moved up a few spots to get Garand too, but we can let that one go). Bednar is not exactly an elite prospect in his own right, but I had little faith in Akhtyamov then and he hasn't done anything to change that at this point. Levi and Wolf going late of course possibly too, especially since the guys we took over them (Akhtyamov, Rindell, Fusco and Loponen namely) were not exactly guys who should have been high priorities anyways, but being smaller goalies, there are always risks. It is the same thing with Sergei Ivanov this year, but I would have easily taken him (or Ty Young) over Grebyonkin.

I think the real slap in the face was taking Moldenhauer over Brennan though. Brennan is a guy who would have been a Woll-level prospect for us with legit starting potential and would have easily been in the mix of the guys found after the Robertson/Niemela/Amirov/Knies tier. Moldenhauer is a solid prospect himself, but he is nothing special. He is a complimentary winger who is, at best, in the mid-late teens in our pool and surrounded by a bunch of other solid but unspectacular talent that we have routinely accumulated through free agency and mid-late round picks (including Lisowsky, who oddly fell to the 7th round of the same draft). Maybe Moldenhauer works out and Brennan does not, but that is probably a safer bet than most.
Maybe the scouting staff felt getting Hildeby in the 4th was a better bet than Brennan based on the fact that he has already shown major progression in his development since his original draft year, while also getting Moldenhauer.
 
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I keep hearing that there are only a few star goalies in the league, that’s great but some teams have those great goalies. My question may seem simplistic but why have the Leafs shown no interest in drafting and attempting to get one of these goalies. It seems like we are always working on some questionable long shot reclamation project in net. This is all Dubas does. Maybe he should have focused a little more of his time on building a goalie pipeline and prospects instead of just concentrating on a few forwards. We might not have to rely so much of our season on if the latest scrap heap goalie can turn it around or stay healthy. It seems like that’s all we ever do. Great way to waste our cup window


I think you are wrong. Agree with him or not but he is not breaking any rules
Dubas has been apart of 5 drafts and has drafted 4 goalies. He's also signed free agents like Petruzzelli (who has decent pedigree but DET let him go for some reason) and the top goalie in the NCAA in McKay as well as Cavallin out of the OHL. It's not like he has avoided goalies. The Marlies and Growlers creases are crowded. Like Sypher and Seaofblue mentioned, to draft a top goalie, we need to be in a position to draft a top goalie.

In cases like Shesterkin, Sorokin, Hellebuyck, Lundqvist, Rinne, who were taken in later rounds, there is luck involved or just good development. We have not developed goaltenders well at all the last 25 yrs. This summer our goaltending department cleaned house and hopefully we can see some positive development from Elkin and Sanford (who appears to have done an outstanding job in VAN).
 
Wouldn't be shocked to see Leafs looking for a goalie at the trade deadline
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I am OK with that.
 
IMO shocked: no, disappointed: yes
Disappointed, absolutely. We need one of our two guys to look like he can carry the load in the playoffs by the time the TDL rolls around and if that happens, we won't need another goalie. If it doesn't happen, disappointment will be the word of the day.
 
Caps Keepers over the past few years. Hotby got back to decent numbers in Dallas.
Playing style maybe?

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Yost’s goalie rankings.
Interesting list

Tier 4, Underperform: Columbus Blue Jackets, Montreal Canadiens, Minnesota Wild, New Jersey Devils, Philadelphia Flyers, Seattle Kraken, St. Louis Blues and Toronto Maple Leafs

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Can you pick the team(s) out of this line-up here that believe their Cup contenders hiding among the bottom of the league pretenders?

Both of Washington's former goalies of last season fall into this group. While they go out and get themselves Darcy Kuemper (the Cup winning goalie) and now jump up to Tier 2 contenders.

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Former Leaf Freddy Andersen gives the Canes Tier 2 goaltending and we seem to have downgraded several levels.

The only team in the Atlantic Div of the 8 teams seen as weaker goaltending then our Leafs, is Buffalo and they tried and failed on NTC to acquire Matt Murray as a upgrade from level 5 to level 4.

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Leafs going from Mrazek to Samsonov from Tier 5 to Tier 4 as backup seems to be an upgrade, but it cost us our 1st round draft pick to make that move.
 
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Can you pick the team(s) out of this line-up here that believe their Cup contenders
All of Toronto, St Louis, and Minnesota are looking to be competitive. So is Vegas in the tier below us, and the majority of the tier directly above us.
Leafs going from Mrazek to Samsonov from Tier 5 to Tier 4 as backup seems to be an upgrade, but it cost us our 1st round draft pick to make that move.
No it didn't. It cost 13 pretty negligible draft slots.
 
All of Toronto, St Louis, and Minnesota are looking to be competitive. So is Vegas in the tier below us, and the majority of the tier directly above us.

No it didn't. It cost 13 pretty negligible draft slots.

13 draft spots at the top of the draft is never “negligible.” There’s a good likelihood there’s going to be at least one future impact player taken between those picks, not to mention the typical trade up value we see every year.
 
13 draft spots at the top of the draft is never “negligible."
13 draft slots in that range of that draft was pretty negligible. It all comes down to where the quality drops happen. The quality of prospect we got didn't meaningfully change.

Either way, a much different cost than just a straight up 1st round pick.
 
If edmonton is in solid we should be in that tier as well

Yea, its kind of a weird list and the Edmonton/Toronto differences

The author rightly lists Campbell as having far poorer underlying numbers than Smith last season but yet still calls him a better goalie for Edmonton to have this season in comparison as his last season was probably an outlier in his total sample size of...1...full season as a starter.

Sure, goalies are unpredictable but one of the worst starters in the league in the 2nd half of the season going to a team with worse team D doesnt sound very solid to me. Campbell might even start out well but there are serious questions about his durability over a full season for sure.

Meanwhile, both Murray (who also held better numbers than Campbell) and Samonov are going to a far more goalie friendly system and its not mentioned that injuries are the biggest worry.
 
13 draft spots at the top of the draft is never “negligible.” There’s a good likelihood there’s going to be at least one future impact player taken between those picks, not to mention the typical trade up value we see every year.

From watching the draft it seemed after about 20 it was a crap shoot.

Is there a final draft rankings and where they were picked list online somewhere?

 
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All of Toronto, St Louis, and Minnesota are looking to be competitive. So is Vegas in the tier below us, and the majority of the tier directly above us.

Looks like Leafs inherited a Tier 2 goalie in Freddy Andersen and let him walk, and downgraded that to a Tier 3 in Jack Campbell whom they let walk and Tier 5 in Petr Mrazek, and now settled for a pair of Tier 4 high risk gambles Matt Murray and Ilya Samsonov, coming off really poor seasons. Placing their current goaltending near the bottom of the league as a result,

Minnesota lost Cam Talbot (Tier 3) to Ottawa in trade.

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St. Louis traded Ville Husso a (Tier 2) goalie to Detroit.

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Vegas lost Robin Lehner to a hip injury that will sideline him for the year.

Vegas Golden Knights will to look for an upgrade on their goaltending , but ’s hip injury to Robin Lehner could not have come at a worse time. The Knights are desperately looking for stability between the pipes and Lehner (90.7 per cent stop rate; +9 goals saved versus expected) delivered in 44 starts last season. But the Knights won’t be able to tap into any of that this year, and the options behind him look scary.

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Ottawa contract dumped Murray on the Leafs and upgraded to Cam Talbot and passed the Leafs and Washington walked away from Samsonov as a unqualified player to sign Cup winning Darcy Kuemper an moved into Tier 2 goaltending by dumping a pair of Tier 4 goalies.

Some teams upgraded their goaltending to become more Cup competitive, and some downgraded the position to become less competitive.
 
The tandem has high potential with a good system infront of them.

Ideally I'm hoping Murray has a bounce game season and works on staying healthy. Samsonov might steal the net and get himself a good pay day from another team also allows Murray to have a low workload, but since we are investing more in Murray I hope he just grows confidence and stays healthy
 
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The tandem has high potential with a good system infront of them.

Ideally I'm hoping Murray has a bounce game season and works on staying healthy. Samsonov might steal the net and get himself a good pay day from another team also allows Murray to have a low workload, but since we are investing more in Murray I hope he just grows confidence and stays healthy

IIRC Samsonov is RFA at end of year so getting a good pay day would be via offersheet.
 
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