Confirmed with Link: TOR sign G Ilya Samsonov to 1 year, 1.8M deal

[Stamkos4life]

It would have been worse with alternate goalies.

The truth is that goaltending has been on the decline league wide for a few years now. Strange how nobody wants to be bombarded with rubber pucks travelling at 90 mph anymore.

If you're expecting better from Murray/Samsonov you're going to be sorely disappointed.

Many are in for a terrible surprise when they realize how bad samsonov and murray are.

I mean, they thought Campbell was bad but the guy had a better season than either of them.

Sv% last year:
Cambell 0.914 (18th)
Murray 0.906 (36th)
Samsonov 0.896 (50th)

Imagine how much kool-aid you'd have to drink to convince yourself that we have upgraded our goalie position.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I mean, they thought Campbell was bad but the guy had a better season than either of them.

Murray (+3.2 GSAx) had a better season than Campbell (-2.3 GSAx) last year, for the record. Samsonov also performed better per game than Mrazek.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

I'm comfortable that Murray will have a good season if he remains healthy so he definitely is an upgrade on Campbell. Samsonov was signed as the backup so we have to compare him with Mrazek. Well, if anyone watched any Leaf games he played in with their eyes open, they'll know it won't take much to be an upgrade on him. So, yeah, the Leafs have potentially upgraded their goaltending.

No one can say for sure what Campbell will be for the Oilers so stop with the "yeah, but Murray is injury-prone" mantra so we should have stuck with the wildly inconsistent head-case that is Campbell.

 

[Sypher04]

I'm comfortable that Murray will have a good season if he remains healthy so he definitely is an upgrade on Campbell. Samsonov was signed as the backup so we have to compare him with Mrazek. Well, if anyone watched any Leaf games he played in with their eyes open, they'll know it won't take much to be an upgrade on him. So, yeah, the Leafs have potentially upgraded their goaltending.

No one can say for sure what Campbell will be for the Oilers so stop with the "yeah, but Murray is injury-prone" mantra so we should have stuck with the wildly inconsistent head-case that is Campbell.

Campbell hasn’t exactly been the picture of good health throughout his nhl career either

 

[stickty111]

I'm comfortable that Murray will have a good season if he remains healthy so he definitely is an upgrade on Campbell. Samsonov was signed as the backup so we have to compare him with Mrazek. Well, if anyone watched any Leaf games he played in with their eyes open, they'll know it won't take much to be an upgrade on him. So, yeah, the Leafs have potentially upgraded their goaltending.

No one can say for sure what Campbell will be for the Oilers so stop with the "yeah, but Murray is injury-prone" mantra so we should have stuck with the wildly inconsistent head-case that is Campbell.

Leafs are also a better defensive team than the Sens and the Oilers.

 

[barilko05]

Many are in for a terrible surprise when they realize how bad samsonov and murray are.

I mean, they thought Campbell was bad but the guy had a better season than either of them.

Sv% last year:
Cambell 0.914 (18th)
Murray 0.906 (36th)
Samsonov 0.896 (50th)

Imagine how much kool-aid you'd have to drink to convince yourself that we have upgraded our goalie position.

Save percentage is becoming a bit like +/-, or pitcher wins in baseball. Ultimately a hollow stat that doesn't tell the whole story. Campbell's SP encompasses two extreme stretches. Early part of the year where he was lights out, and the latter half where he was doggie poop. In between...meh. So no...he didn't have a "better" season than the other two. He was wildly inconsistent, injury prone, and too hard on himself after a loss. Bad combo. I liked Jack, but 5 mil for 5 years was not happening. Good luck in the 'Chuk, but I'll put my faith in two younger goalies, one of which has won two more Stanley Cups than Smilin' Jack. My faith may be displaced if Murray doesn't conquer his injury bug, but if he does, I think we're in better shape.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Save percentage is becoming a bit like +/-, or pitcher wins in baseball. Ultimately a hollow stat that doesn't tell the whole story. Campbell's SP encompasses two extreme stretches. Early part of the year where he was lights out, and the latter half where he was doggie poop. In between...meh. So no...he didn't have a "better" season than the other two.

Save percentage also doesn't take into account the quality of the shots or defense in front like GSAx does. Murray had a better season than Campbell, even though he didn't have a higher save percentage, because Campbell on average dealt with significantly lower quality shots than Murray.

 

[notbias]

Many are in for a terrible surprise when they realize how bad samsonov and murray are.

I mean, they thought Campbell was bad but the guy had a better season than either of them.

Sv% last year:
Cambell 0.914 (18th)
Murray 0.906 (36th)
Samsonov 0.896 (50th)

Imagine how much kool-aid you'd have to drink to convince yourself that we have upgraded our goalie position.

Slap that clown attire on a pic of you and use it as your avatar...

Anyone with any sense of logic would know that Campbell's stats are extremely misleading, he was replacement level or worse for most of the year.

 

[Its not your fault]

Many are in for a terrible surprise when they realize how bad samsonov and murray are.

I mean, they thought Campbell was bad but the guy had a better season than either of them.

Sv% last year:
Cambell 0.914 (18th)
Murray 0.906 (36th)
Samsonov 0.896 (50th)

Imagine how much kool-aid you'd have to drink to convince yourself that we have upgraded our goalie position.

Imagine being surprised

 

[Orfieus]

Many are in for a terrible surprise when they realize how bad samsonov and murray are.

I mean, they thought Campbell was bad but the guy had a better season than either of them.

Sv% last year:
Cambell 0.914 (18th)
Murray 0.906 (36th)
Samsonov 0.896 (50th)

Imagine how much kool-aid you'd have to drink to convince yourself that we have upgraded our goalie position.

Campbell is SUB .800 starting December onwards and was a 0.899 in the playoffs so don't give me this shit that Campbell >>>>> Murray and Samsonov (who's only had 1 bad year and is only like 25)

 

[Stamkos4life]

Campbell is SUB .800 starting December onwards and was a 0.899 in the playoffs so don't give me this shit that Campbell >>>>> Murray and Samsonov (who's only had 1 bad year and is only like 25)

Let's use 2020-2021 then.

Sv %
Campbell 0.921
Samsonov 0.902
Murray 0.893

What's your excuse now?

Btw, I'd call 0.902 sv% bad but maybe you didn't know his actual stats and are just going off the propaganda.

 

[mydnyte]

Let's use 2020-2021 then.

Sv %
Campbell 0.921
Samsonov 0.902
Murray 0.893

What's your excuse now?

Btw, I'd call 0.902 sv% bad but maybe you didn't know his actual stats and are just going off the propaganda.

its funny how the goalie on the best team also has the best stats, and the goalie on the worst team has the worst stats... imagine that.
The leafs are actually one of the league leaders in team defense, even though we constantly bitch and moan about it, and Washington also sucks defensively, so, being on a better/inferior team can inflate or ruin stats.

and for the record, i very much dislike the Murray deal, but, certainly wouldnt have given Campbell more than 2 years, I'd have rather resigned Anderson and kept the tandem with Campbell!

 

[Blaylock38]

The leafs are fine in net, Unless we acquired Shesh or Vas there would be no move that the fanbase would be satisfied with. We rolled the dice on acquiring Campbell as a back up turned starter, who really hasn't ever been a starter, and he is somehow the saviour. He showed us his baseline, he was decent but I am fine with taking a risk on a Goalie who has won 2 cups and motivated to reestablish himself. A backup with draft & skill pedigree who could become a number #1 and we will have as an RFA at years end, yup I'll take that too. This argument will be solved at the end of the season not now, pointless to be disappointed in a result that hasn't happened yet. So overblown.

 

[Dayjobdave]

I’m looking forward to seeing Samsonov in the Blue and White.

 

[FlareKnight]

I have to say it creates a kind of hilarious situation. In order to complain about Dubas acquisitions in Samsonov and Murray...one has to defend his acquisition of Campbell .

In the end goaltending at worst can only be slightly worse than last year and has the ability to be much better. It's nice that Campbell's crazy good start to the season carried his stats for the rest of the year. But 2022 was a nightmare for him. He was either bad, injured, or talking about how bad and injured he was. They were literally giving him games off just to try and ease his negative spiral.

I don't know if Samsonov will be good or Murray can stay healthy. But I feel better in giving them a chance than locking up Campbell to a big money deal coming off the year he had. Unfortunately it is what it is. The guys we got have the potential to put it together, but all we can do is see if they actually pull that off or not. At the very least I like the idea of getting Samsonov. Actually going for a young goalie with serious potential. Could fail, but that deal is pretty safe from being a bad one. Plenty of chance that he could actually work out for us.

 

[Dayjobdave]

Slap that clown attire on a pic of you and use it as your avatar...

Anyone with any sense of logic would know that Campbell's stats are extremely misleading, he was replacement level or worse for most of the year.

No one liked lining up to chant Soup more than I did. But once he was named an all star his game and confidence completely left him. So, either he had a coincidental injury or the people who watch him every day saw that he somehow couldn’t process success.

He may get over that and I wish him well, but if that’s what they saw and their vaunted coaches and support team couldn’t talk him through that, how don’t you move on?

Separately, I’m really looking forward to seeing Samsonov. I

 

[Ianturnedbull]

I would love to get a proper evaluation on Samsonov.

"Goalies are Voodoo" means that he might dominate. It also means he will flop.

You gotta love today's player analysis!

 

[ACC1224]

I would love to get a proper evaluation on Samsonov.

"Goalies are Voodoo" means that he might dominate. It also means he will flop.

You gotta love today's player analysis!

It's an expression designed to remove any accountability from management.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Many are in for a terrible surprise when they realize how bad samsonov and murray are.

I mean, they thought Campbell was bad but the guy had a better season than either of them.

Sv% last year:
Cambell 0.914 (18th)
Murray 0.906 (36th)
Samsonov 0.896 (50th)

Imagine how much kool-aid you'd have to drink to convince yourself that we have upgraded our goalie position.

Dang, such an indepth anaylsis using save%. Definitely worth taking your opinion seriously. Do you use wins to decide which pitchers are good, also?

I would love to get a proper evaluation on Samsonov.

"Goalies are Voodoo" means that he might dominate. It also means he will flop.

You gotta love today's player analysis!

There was a goalie coach on the Kyper show near the end who talked about Samsanov. He seemed to think Samsanov had the athletic ability to be amongst the best, and excellent reflexes. Said he needs to work with a new goalie coach on game day approach, rebounds, angles, and recovery.

Sounded like the definition of a project, which I don't mind tbh.

 

[Stephen]

Dang, such an indepth anaylsis using save%. Definitely worth taking your opinion seriously. Do you use wins to decide which pitchers are good, also?


There was a goalie coach on the Kyper show near the end who talked about Samsanov. He seemed to think Samsanov had the athletic ability to be amongst the best, and excellent reflexes. Said he needs to work with a new goalie coach on game day approach, rebounds, angles, and recovery.

Sounded like the definition of a project, which I don't mind tbh.

Yeah, I believe that was Kevin Woodley. He said Samsonov also went into a deeper/lower crouch that he needed to and could improve by having his upper body in a more upright stance. Also said in the past he was more resistant to coaching adjustments because he came into the league as a high end prospect and successful KHL goalie.

He did note that he has great athletic ability and reflexes but lacks the thick frame of a Vasilevskiy.

 

[Stephen]

I would love to get a proper evaluation on Samsonov.

"Goalies are Voodoo" means that he might dominate. It also means he will flop.

You gotta love today's player analysis!

"Goalies are voodoo" is a phrase that people who aren't really interested in the minute details of the goalie position like to use as a catch all that can't be quantified. It's really a sport within a sport.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

He is going to be the most intriguing player for me to follow this year. Murray will inevitably be hurt at some point and who knows how his play will even hold up when he's healthy. Samsonov will definitely be our crucial x-factor. I doubt it will happen but I'm pretty hopeful he can turn into something for us.

 

[PromisedLand]

after watching andersen not able to stop a beach ball 2 years back and following up watching jack unable to stop anything for half a season maybe 3/4s. i dont think its going to be hard for these 2 to improve on the disaster of the last 2 tenders contract seasons.

we will get more consistent and steady goaltending this season and its not going to be close

Here are the stats for Samsonov and Murray. Murray has not played 30 games for the last two seasons. Samsonov's SV% drops the more games he plays.

Its good to be confident, but I'd recommend being cautiously optimistic instead of believing that it will be 100% better.

And here are Murray's stats

 

[81Leafs50]

Jack Campbell apologists need to keep into consideration that Ilya Samsonov played 42 games last year for a playoff team. Jack Campbell aslo put up very mediocre stats on a good team. I'll take the young early 20's goalie over the never was 30 year old at less than half the cost.

 

[Notsince67]

Jack Campbell apologists need to keep into consideration that Ilya Samsonov played 42 games last year for a playoff team. Jack Campbell aslo put up very mediocre stats on a good team. I'll take the young early 20's goalie over the never was 30 year old at less than half the cost.

goalie development is unpredictable. Hasek was hot garbage before 28-29