Value of: Timothy Liljegren

[McJedi]

I know you're a troll. But, I'll point out this one thing. If we were to look specifically at Liljegren's draft, there is 1 NHL player out of 32 possible selections in round 3. Morgan Geekie he plays for an expansion team. So, in theory you're telling us that we should expect a 1 in 32 chance at a Morgan Geekie level player in return for a rookie defenseman that has 20 points in 50 games?

Tempting, I do admit.

What I think is Dermott is your comp. And you just traded him for a 3rd round pick. That’s a fact. This guy will carry similar value.

And apparently you’ll have an absolute hissy hit when Dubas moves this player in such a deal, if he’s traded at all.

Dermott was a high 2nd round pick in the incredible 2015 draft. Liljegren, mid 1st in a the weak 2017 draft. Dermott has played more NHL hockey. A lot more. 251 games to 63 games for Liljegren.

Similar draft pedigree. Both are 6’0. Dermott is 10 lbs heavier. Similar career TIO. Similar Corsi, similar O zone starts.

Where y’all are coming up with huge value for Liljegren is beyond the non homer TML fanbois that don’t fawn all over every Toronto draft pick ever.

 

[Breakers]

Pretty expensive, with the right shot rarity increasing his value.

 

[notbias]

What I think is Dermott is your comp. And you just traded him for a 3rd round pick. That’s a fact. This guy will carry similar value.

And apparently you’ll have an absolute hissy hit when Dubas moves this player in such a deal, if he’s traded at all.

Dermott was a high 2nd round pick in the incredible 2015 draft. Liljegren, mid 1st in a the weak 2017 draft. Dermott has played more NHL hockey. A lot more. 251 games to 63 games for Liljegren.

Similar draft pedigree. Both are 6’0. Dermott is 10 lbs heavier. Similar career TIO. Similar Corsi, similar O zone starts.

Where y’all are coming up with huge value for Liljegren is beyond the non homer TML fanbois that don’t fawn all over every Toronto draft pick ever.

Now do xGF if you are going to throw out Corsi, I am going to assume it is not really close.

"Dermott is heavier", awesome, Liljegren plays a heavier game and is better defensively. He also wasn't sheltered the way Dermott was.

Liljegren has 20 points in 50 games this year, compared to 5 for Dermott over the season.

Liljegren is right around players like Hamilton, Chychrun, Girard, Dumba, Brodin, Spurgeon, Schmidt, Krug, Provorov, Barrie, Seider, Heiskanen, Klingberg, and Hughes for EVP, and he's played fewer games than almost anyone on that list.

Liljegren is a product of the media calling him a bust for like 4 years because he didn't step in right away or didn't pan out to be an offensive stud like his pre-mono, pre-draft scouting report, instead he turned into a solid two-way D.

Liljegren is going to turn into a #4 two-way D at the absolute low end it looks like. I'd be really hesitant to trade him unless it is in a package for a bonafide star D, Liljegren's ceiling looks to be a great transition player, great defensively, and above-average offense, I really wouldn't trade a cost-controlled asset like this, especially for a 3rd.

Oh ya, he's also 22.

 

[Knies iT]

Dermott was a high 2nd round pick in the incredible 2015 draft. Liljegren, mid 1st in a the weak 2017 draft. Dermott has played more NHL hockey. A lot more. 251 games to 63 games for Liljegren.

Similar draft pedigree. Both are 6’0. Dermott is 10 lbs heavier. Similar career TIO. Similar Corsi, similar O zone starts.

Holy hell, this breakdown should put most GMs on watch for their jobs. Nothing gets passed this guy.

Mid 1st = early 2nd, and btw Dermott's GP > Liljegren - how did we miss this? Not to mention Dermott weighs 10lbs more. I'm convinced.

 

[HockeyVirus]

So in a few seasons, fans are going to pretend no one was comparing Liljegren to Dermott right? Isn't that how it works?

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

So in a few seasons, fans are going to pretend no one was comparing Liljegren to Dermott right? Isn't that how it works?

Pretty much standard practice around here.

 

[X66]

A lot of people forget that before his draft year, Liljegren was a top 3 prospect.

Every year in the AHL he learned something new and added it to his game.

 

[CatchyTune]

So in a few seasons, fans are going to pretend no one was comparing Liljegren to Dermott right? Isn't that how it works?

No dont you get it? Since Dermott didnt amount to much no Leafs defenseman will ever progress past a 3rd pairing guy for all of eternity. Liljegren? 5/6D tops. Sandin? 6/7D. Niemela coming up? Bottom pair tops. Any dman the leafs draft in the future? 3rd pairing guy.

No Leafs defenceman will ever develop past a 3rd pairing defenseman because Travis Dermott didnt. Never ever ever ever ever ever ever

 

[Ziggdiezan]

What I think is Dermott is your comp. And you just traded him for a 3rd round pick. That’s a fact. This guy will carry similar value.

And apparently you’ll have an absolute hissy hit when Dubas moves this player in such a deal, if he’s traded at all.

Dermott was a high 2nd round pick in the incredible 2015 draft. Liljegren, mid 1st in a the weak 2017 draft. Dermott has played more NHL hockey. A lot more. 251 games to 63 games for Liljegren.

Similar draft pedigree. Both are 6’0. Dermott is 10 lbs heavier. Similar career TIO. Similar Corsi, similar O zone starts.

Where y’all are coming up with huge value for Liljegren is beyond the non homer TML fanbois that don’t fawn all over every Toronto draft pick ever.

I feel like it's important to watch a player to be able to evaluate them and make comparisons to other players. Its clear you haven't watched either much if you think Dermott is a good comparison. There were some of us who were saying for years that Dermott doesn't think the game well enough to be a proper top 4 guys, goes deer in headlights more often than you want or tries to do something fancy to get out of a bad situation. If he learns he will flourish in this league by being a more defensively inclined guy, like Hainsey had to learn, he may be a 2nd pairing guy. On the other hand Lily thinks the game so well, always making smart little plays to get the puck out of the zone or keep it moving in the offensive zone

 

[Arthur Morgan]

This thread is so toxic its pathetic
Just funny how no matter how well Toronto players play. they get disrespected
These hot takes are beyond pitiful including the trolls that come in here spewing the same crap over and over again.
If liljegren was on another team he would be praised for his play this season
However...... He got drafted by the Leafs and is worth less than a 3rd now
oh he's going to be a healthy scratch in a couple years because thats what happened to Dermott
Our opinions and and our eye's are lying to us.
We have no clue how to assess our players and we're even worse at figuring out value
apparently even a 3rd is too much for Liljegren a 5th at most it seems

 

[HockeyVirus]

No dont you get it? Since Dermott didnt amount to much no Leafs defenseman will ever progress past a 3rd pairing guy for all of eternity. Liljegren? 5/6D tops. Sandin? 6/7D. Niemela coming up? Bottom pair tops. Any dman the leafs draft in the future? 3rd pairing guy.

No Leafs defenceman will ever develop past a 3rd pairing defenseman because Travis Dermott didnt. Never ever ever ever ever ever ever

At least we know any forwards we draft end up like Matthews / Marner / Nylander as a consolidation prize

 

[HockeyVirus]

This thread is so toxic its pathetic
Just funny how no matter how well Toronto players play. they get disrespected
These hot takes are beyond pitiful including the trolls that come in here spewing the same crap over and over again.
If liljegren was on another team he would be praised for his play this season
However...... He got drafted by the Leafs and is worth less than a 3rd now
oh he's going to be a healthy scratch in a couple years because thats what happened to Dermott
Our opinions and and our eye's are lying to us.
We have no clue how to assess our players and we're even worse at figuring out value
apparently even a 3rd is too much for Liljegren a 5th at most it seems

I could understand if Lilly came to the NHL at 20 maybe. Because Dermott came in and played as he does today at 20, so we were like "omg he has top 4 potential", then he just stopped progressing. You could draw comparisons there I guess.

But Lilly has taken a completely different path. Drafted as an offensive D, took the long road in the AHL and developed as a two way dman instead, dominating the AHL as the best dman 2 seasons in a row while adding size. Then made the NHL and has gone from being a guy who looked serviceable on the third pair to start, and has just continued to get better and better as the games have gone on. A guy playing on the top pairing (when did Dermott do that), on 2nd pairings, throwing his body around, producing offense (Lilly has already surpassed Dermott's career high in points in less games).

Just not comparable development paths at all. And not comparable styles of game either. Dermott does everything good but nothing great. Liljegren has insane physical tools and size/strength. He will be a solid top 4 dman for many many years.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

This reads like a post about Dermott a couple years ago. No one is impressed by defensemen doing well while being protected with limited ice time.

Kinda.

At this point people should just be glad he has found a spot in a limited role and dont expect too much. Once Toronto find better options, he fits that role of solid 6th/7th defenseman.

 

[Knies iT]

I would step aside from the computer. If anything related to the Maple Leafs doesn’t smell like roses than you seem to become fragile.

Auston Matthews is an awesome player. Hopefully that will cheer you up, but my advise still stands.

This is comical coming from you. You're unable to speak objectively about the Leafs in any context for some reason, the team/fanbase clearly bothers you to no end. You think people can't do a quick review of your post history? Lol. Based on your multiple decades of moaning on this site, it's quite clear you need to step away from the comp. Google Wellbutrin.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

This is comical coming from you. You're unable to speak objectively about the Leafs in any context for some reason, the team/fanbase clearly bothers you to no end. You think people can't do a quick review of your post history? Lol. Based on your multiple decades of moaning on this site, it's quite clear you need to step away from the comp. Google Wellbutrin.

I think you are confused with somebody else.

Perhaps I could satisfy you as well by saying that I am huge fan of Auston Matthews.

You all are getting so grumpy. Not good, not good at all.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

If he goes anywhere it’s to Edmonton. We collect the Leafs RD

 

[Magic Man]

What I think is Dermott is your comp. And you just traded him for a 3rd round pick. That’s a fact. This guy will carry similar value.

And apparently you’ll have an absolute hissy hit when Dubas moves this player in such a deal, if he’s traded at all.

Dermott was a high 2nd round pick in the incredible 2015 draft. Liljegren, mid 1st in a the weak 2017 draft. Dermott has played more NHL hockey. A lot more. 251 games to 63 games for Liljegren.

Similar draft pedigree. Both are 6’0. Dermott is 10 lbs heavier. Similar career TIO. Similar Corsi, similar O zone starts.

Where y’all are coming up with huge value for Liljegren is beyond the non homer TML fanbois that don’t fawn all over every Toronto draft pick ever.

Dermott has had 3 poor seasons in a row. He's 2 years older than Liljegren. He was an early 2nd, Liljegren a mid 1st.

Liljegren's season is comparable to Dermott's early seasons and his value would be similar... to the value Dermott held when he was playing at that level at an early age. If you want Liljegren for the price Dermott went for at the deadline you will have to wait for his value to drop. That will take awhile to get to that level at this rate, it took 3 years for Dermott.

 

[1dreamof1cup]

hahahahaha well it could be worse, like paying Carlo 4 million lol

Hahahahahahah are you seriously comparing Carlo to liljegren. These leafs fan are deading me

 

[notbias]

Kinda.

At this point people should just be glad he has found a spot in a limited role and dont expect too much. Once Toronto find better options, he fits that role of solid 6th/7th defenseman.

It is crazy that someone with such a limited role is putting up similar even-strength points to Chyrchurn, Hamilton, Spurgeon, Krug, Barrie, and Girard while being more of a defensive-minded D.

 

[Edgelord]

Hahahahahahah are you seriously comparing Carlo to liljegren. These leafs fan are deading me

well Lilj just past Carlo's career high in points and is playing defensively well sooooo

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

I think the funny thing is if any of the detractors had just watched Liljegren play for 5 games, they would have a different opinion. You can see Liljegren's potential. His ability to read the game and play in all situations hockey is splendid. Let's just ignore his stats and the eye test...is what you guys sound like. Why can't Liljegren ooze potential? He's in his rookie season for goodness sake(almost 23 years old).

 

[Frolov 6'3]

It is crazy that someone with such a limited role is putting up similar even-strength points to Chyrchurn, Hamilton, Spurgeon, Krug, Barrie, and Girard while being more of a defensive-minded D.

That has more to do with an offensively minded team than with the greatness of Liljegren, so certainly not crazy.

Even Robyn Regehr on his last legs was able to put up some even strength points on a inept offensively team. Those things happen.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

It is kind of amusing watching so many fans of other teams show their whole asses in this thread though. Like just blatantly put it out there that they have no clue what you are talking about. It is fun.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

It is kind of amusing watching so many fans of other teams show their whole asses in this thread though. Like just blatantly put it out there that they have no clue what you are talking about. It is fun.

I like this but how come none of your latest posts show anything of this amusement you are talking about.

I have a feeling you are kinda cheating here otherwise you could act a lot more light hearted, me thinks.

 

[notbias]

That has more to do with an offensively minded team than with the greatness of Liljegren, so certainly not crazy.

Even Robyn Regehr on his last legs was able to put up some even strength points on a inept offensively team. Those things happen.

Assuming we can at least agree Liljegren is better offensively at even strength than Montour and Girard based on this criteria, who are both considered very good offensive players.

He's putting up better numbers and those two play on even offensive teams or better, and get more ice-time.