Value of: Timothy Liljegren

[McJedi]

Knowing that your idiot GM gave a 2nd for Kulak, how could you possibly believe this

My GM paid a high price for Lehkonen but at least he got a good middle six winger an PK specialist.

dermott got a third. This guy fetches less or about the same.

 

[Maplebeasts]

My GM paid a high price for Lehkonen but at least he got a good middle six winger an PK specialist.

dermott got a third. This guy fetches less or about the same.

Then the Leafs aren't moving him, not like they should anyways. As mentioned he leads the team in every metric that counts minus TOI/GP which he has no control over. 22 year old Dmen who control expected goals the way he does and are producing at a 33 point pace playing 15 minutes a game with 4 minutes total of powerplay time on the season should NEVER be available for trade.

 

[McJedi]

Then the Leafs aren't moving him, not like they should anyways. As mentioned he leads the team in every metric that counts minus TOI/GP which he has no control over. 22 year old Dmen who control expected goals the way he does and are producing at a 33 point pace playing 15 minutes a game with 4 minutes total of powerplay time on the season should NEVER be available for trade.

Then don’t trade him. But if you do, 3rd round pick should be the expectation.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I can't believe you are getting upset over other fan bases commenting on Leaf players on a main board. If you dont like it go to the Leafs board. But you don't get to dictate who gets to have an opinion here.

im not getting upset you guys are just relentless.
No point in having conversations with any of you. just biased as always

 

[Arthur Morgan]

This is an open forum.

Calling a player a bottom pairing defenseman is trash talking nowadays. Ok.

Looks like you have some issues.

Yeah its open sure. but all you guys ever do here is spread negativity and your always in leafs related threads even if its not your team. I see all your names way too often.
you guys go out of your way to put down any player that has to do with this franchise.
the bracco comments, being nothing more than a bottom pairing dman not even close to top 4. he's going to become a healthy scratch in a couple years......
its just same shit bigger pile with most of these takes.
I mean thanks for stopping by but you wouldnt be happy if you kept seeing fans from other teams put down your players for the sake of putting them down

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Yeah its open sure. but all you guys ever do here is spread negativity and your always in leafs related threads even if its not your team. I see all your names way too often.
you guys go out of your way to put down any player that has to do with this franchise.
the bracco comments, being nothing more than a bottom pairing dman not even close to top 4. he's going to become a healthy scratch in a couple years......
its just same shit bigger pile with most of these takes.
I mean thanks for stopping by but you wouldnt be happy if you kept seeing fans from other teams put down your players for the sake of putting them down

Don't even bother with them. They hate the leafs more then they like their own teams. Its and odd fixation that some posters have with the leafs, and I doubt we will ever truly know why.

 

[Edgelord]

4th round pick then? Dermott got a third. He’s probably valued around that. Not higher.

no not at all, his replacement value includes where he is trending, so if we trade for a pick, that HAS to be a blue chip sure fire top 4 RHD.
Otherwise there is zero incentive to trade him

 

[bukwas]

4th round pick then? Dermott got a third. He’s probably valued around that. Not higher.

Okay. I just like to see which posters know players and who hasn’t a clue.
Thank you for your reply.

 

[Minty Cowboy]

If he’s a 4th or 3rd pick Bouchard would be 6th good offensively but awful every where else

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

Anyways, Liljegren's ice time is slowly increasing which is nice. The Leafs d-corps is deep for once. But Lily is playing a minute on the pk and just started getting on the #2 pp unit for the Leafs as well. He's been trusted in all situations hockey. Pretty good for a rookie.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Yeah its open sure. but all you guys ever do here is spread negativity and your always in leafs related threads even if its not your team. I see all your names way too often.
you guys go out of your way to put down any player that has to do with this franchise.
the bracco comments, being nothing more than a bottom pairing dman not even close to top 4. he's going to become a healthy scratch in a couple years......
its just same shit bigger pile with most of these takes.
I mean thanks for stopping by but you wouldnt be happy if you kept seeing fans from other teams put down your players for the sake of putting them down

I would step aside from the computer. If anything related to the Maple Leafs doesn’t smell like roses than you seem to become fragile.

Auston Matthews is an awesome player. Hopefully that will cheer you up, but my advise still stands.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I would step aside from the computer. If anything related to the Maple Leafs doesn’t smell like roses than you seem to become fragile.

Auston Matthews is an awesome player. Hopefully that will cheer you up, but my advise still stands.

Dont need any advice from you pal
I already gave enough reasons in my previous thread to be annoyed if you want to choose to ignore them that's on you and Im not the only one annoyed by it... it never stops just completely relentless it really has become tiresome how much majority of you try
Im not going to waste anymore of my time on people like you
Have a good day

 

[Spargon]

Yeah its open sure. but all you guys ever do here is spread negativity and your always in leafs related threads even if its not your team. I see all your names way too often.
you guys go out of your way to put down any player that has to do with this franchise.
the bracco comments, being nothing more than a bottom pairing dman not even close to top 4. he's going to become a healthy scratch in a couple years......
its just same shit bigger pile with most of these takes.
I mean thanks for stopping by but you wouldnt be happy if you kept seeing fans from other teams put down your players for the sake of putting them down

Don't forget by calling them out you are now playing victim, you big mean Leafs fan. We are supposed to agree with the trolls that all of our players are worthless garbage and high five everyone here for "finally" getting it.

 

[wintersej]

Liljegren has a lot more value to the Leafs than he does in a trade until his reputation catches up with his play. At 5 on 5 he leads all Leafs defensemen in xGF%, GF%, corsi%, fenwick%, assists/60, points/60, is 10% points clear of any other dman in terms of xGf% paired with Rielly and is the only defenseman in the NHL to feature on 3 of the NHL's top 20 D pairings by xGf% at 5 on 5 with a minimum of 100 minutes played together. Of those 3 pairings, he is a member of 2 of the league's top six. The only thing stopping people from seeing how good he is is that his TOI is low and he hasn't played a single second on the powerplay.

This reads like a post about Dermott a couple years ago. No one is impressed by defensemen doing well while being protected with limited ice time.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

This reads like a post about Dermott a couple years ago. No one is impressed by defensemen doing well while being protected with limited ice time.

Or and hear me out, you haven't watched the player progress over the last few years, and your just in here to pile on with your lazy and ignorant assessment.

 

[wintersej]

Or and hear me out, you haven't watched the player progress over the last few years, and your just in here to pile on with your lazy and ignorant assessment.

This post is also familiar! Look sometimes young shelter D men thrive when the training wheels are off. Adam Fox obviously is a great recent example of this. Sometimes they don’t like Dermott. You can’t know until it happens.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

This post is also familiar! Look sometimes young shelter D men thrive when the training wheels are off. Adam Fox obviously is a great recent example of this. Sometimes they don’t like Dermott. You can’t know until it happens.

I never commented on Liljegrens future potential negatively or positively. I'm just tired of posters with an obvious agenda coming in to spew nonsense about a player they don't follow with lazy arguments and no facts. Liljegren could regress next year or progress even further then he has already, who knows. I'm talking about what he's done to get here and how he is playing this year. He looks very good and has played extremely well.

 

[Magic Man]

This reads like a post about Dermott a couple years ago. No one is impressed by defensemen doing well while being protected with limited ice time.

I am alright with it personally. It's when they regress like Dermott did and don't impress at all for 3 straight seasons after it that bothers me.

If Liljegren goes backwards like Dermott did, obviously we'll have an issue and at that point and not a moment before, a team out of the playoffs is welcome to have him for a 3rd rd. pick. Right now, considering what we know we are pretty excited to have a mid-1st round pick in the lineup and producing at a high level as a rookie, his value irregardless of the other former Toronto Maple Leaf hockey player Travis Dermott is quite high at this moment in time. Like, with every player, he has the opportunity to boost or lose value because of an increased or decreased level of performance. If he keeps producing at this clip with how rounded his game is, like Dermott could not, he certainly should improve his total minutes played.

Not every young defenseman that plays for Toronto is going to be Travis Dermott. But, we'll all just be pessimistic about it and assume the worst.

 

[Magic Man]

Then don’t trade him. But if you do, 3rd round pick should be the expectation.

I know you're a troll. But, I'll point out this one thing. If we were to look specifically at Liljegren's draft, there is 1 NHL player out of 32 possible selections in round 3. Morgan Geekie he plays for an expansion team. So, in theory you're telling us that we should expect a 1 in 32 chance at a Morgan Geekie level player in return for a rookie defenseman that has 20 points in 50 games?

Tempting, I do admit.

 

[Edgelord]

I know you're a troll. But, I'll point out this one thing. If we were to look specifically at Liljegren's draft, there is 1 NHL player out of 32 possible selections in round 3. Morgan Geekie he plays for an expansion team. So, in theory you're telling us that we should expect a 1 in 32 chance at a Morgan Geekie level player in return for a rookie defenseman that has 20 points in 50 games?

Tempting, I do admit.

yup, there is a deal too good to say no to lol

 

[wintersej]

I never commented on Liljegrens future potential negatively or positively. I'm just tired of posters with an obvious agenda coming in to spew nonsense about a player they don't follow with lazy arguments and no facts. Liljegren could regress next year or progress even further then he has already, who knows. I'm talking about what he's done to get here and how he is playing this year. He looks very good and has played extremely well.

I think you are projecting

 

[The90]

I know you're a troll. But, I'll point out this one thing. If we were to look specifically at Liljegren's draft, there is 1 NHL player out of 32 possible selections in round 3. Morgan Geekie he plays for an expansion team. So, in theory you're telling us that we should expect a 1 in 32 chance at a Morgan Geekie level player in return for a rookie defenseman that has 20 points in 50 games?

Tempting, I do admit.

Not to mention you always give up more potential in any Trade. Several picks for 1 player is very common. I’d say liljegren has held his draft value very well. As has Sandin. Which is why it makes people very angry the leafs draft and develop well.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I think you are projecting

You are entitled to your opinion. I disagree 100% with you but fair enough.

 

[Funk21]

To end the debate here it’s safe to say the leafs are not trading Liljegren for anything less than an established RHD who plays above Holl and on a team friendly contract-which would never happen.

To most of my TML brethren to think his value at this point even if sheltered is a third is laughable. Don’t engage and waste your time. No GM from an organization would trade a player that young, with those metrics regardless if he is sheltered or not for anything less than a blue chip prospect or a top end pick and I mean top 15 or higher. The potential is too high to walk away from. As for those using Dermott as an example regarding regression he was injured which is why he regressed. No different than Monahan who has had a monumental fall from grace due to injuries. It happens it’s sports.

 

[Edgelord]

There are like 10 threads popping out each season about Liljegren value ever since he was drafted. Please keep ur garbages leafs fan, noone wants the guy unless it's for 5th rounder or less

hahahahaha well it could be worse, like paying Carlo 4 million lol