Value of: Timothy Liljegren

[Funk21]

I suppose players automatically gets a huge bump in their trade value by default as soon as they become part of the Leafs

Seriously you need to brush up on your reading comprehension, he is playing like a top 4RHD still on his ELC. He likely doesn’t have a lot of leverage regarding contract which means an AAV of 1.5-2 depending on length. Tell me how many RHD are there available for that low price, are 22 and have great underlying stats. None which is why it would have to be a severe overpayment by the acquiring team to have the TML consider this. Hence the the claim. Second we are going for a SC, any player unless a sure fire stud is likely 1-2 years away and nobody is trading a pick for a player who is ready to step right in on your Blueline or potentially shows a higher ceiling.

 

[AuraSphere]

I suppose players automatically gets a huge bump in their trade value by default as soon as they become part of the Leafs

Not true - I don't think you understand the OP. There is no reason to trade Liljegren unless its hard for us to say no. Obviously you can get blue chip #1 dmen from the top 10 - which Liljegren is not, but you have to remember he was drafted in the top 17 only a few years ago and is only now playing his rookie season.

He's looking really good and promising. It would be like saying Lafreniere is no where near a 1st round pick let alone top 10 - and yet you'd argue that I'm ridiculous and wouldn't trade him for a top 10 pick alone.

Not sure what the debate with Holl vs Liljegren is - since when do rookies ever play more than vets? Keefe just wants vets out there and likes to shelter rookies. This is the same with any rookie breaking into the league.

 

[AvroArrow]

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He is not worth that.

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He would easily go top 10 in a re-draft, you're out to lunch if you think otherwise

 

[Byron Bitz]

Liljegren was never available to the Kings so I don't know what you are talking about.

There were reports that in the Muzzin trade the Kings were given the option of taking Durzi or Liljegren and they chose Durzi

 

[StuckOutHere]

Leafs should be trying to sign this guy long-term before he builds the kind of case that makes it prohibitively expensive. Folks who have been watching him with the Marlies over the years pretty much all saw this coming.

 

[5cotland]

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He would easily go top 10 in a re-draft, you're out to lunch if you think otherwise

I would love to see your re-draft

 

[AvroArrow]

I would love to see your re-draft

1) Makar
2) Robertson
3) Petterson
4) Heiskanen
5) Suzuki
6) Thomas
7) Hischier
8) Liljegren
9) Norris

Now lets see yours

 

[5cotland]

1) Makar
2) Robertson
3) Petterson
4) Heiskanen
5) Suzuki
6) Thomas
7) Hischier
8) Liljegren
9) Norris

Now lets see yours

Granted a re-drafts are all subjective but for the fact you have Liljegren ahead of all of Necas, Yamamoto, Chytil, Batherson, Formenton, Texier, Ferraro, Jokiharju, Tolvanen kind of makes my point stand.

I am not saying all of my listed players are top 10 or even above Liljegren but some are definitely going higher than him and others definitely make strong case that could see them going higher.

Making it in the NHL matters and a player playing over 200 NHL games compared to player that has played only 60 NHL games in 5 years is already on the back foot when making a claim for a top 10 pick.

 

[AvroArrow]

Granted a re-drafts are all subjective but for the fact you have Liljegren ahead of all of Necas, Yamamoto, Chytil, Batherson, Formenton, Texier, Ferraro, Jokiharju, Tolvanen kind of makes my point stand.

I am not saying all of my listed players are top 10 or even above Liljegren but some are definitely going higher than him and others definitely make strong case that could see them going higher.

Making it in the NHL matters and a player playing over 200 NHL games compared to player that has played only 60 NHL games in 5 years is already on the back foot when making a claim for a top 10 pick.

Out of all the guys you listed, only Batherson has a case. The fact that you mentioned Necas, Yamamoto etc. tells me you have no clue who Liljegren is.

 

[5cotland]

Out of all the guys you listed, only Batherson has a case. The fact that you mentioned Necas, Yamamoto etc. tells me you have no clue who Liljegren is.

There is literally no point in even trying to debate this.

A guy that took 4/5 years to break into the league and played 60 odd games is seen as more valuable that players who have played 200+ games and clearly had a much bigger impact and became NHL regulars since their draft season

....and your Necas comment, seriously....?

 

[Martin Skoula]

There is literally no point in even trying to debate this.

A guy that took 4/5 years to break into the league and played 60 odd games is seen as more valuable that players who have played 200+ games and clearly had a much bigger impact and became NHL regulars since their draft season

....and your Necas comment, seriously....?

Are any of those forwards more than an average middle-6er right now? Who cares how early they made it, none of them are serious difference makers right now.

 

[Magic Man]

I think it would be fair to say that Norris, Batherson, Necas and Ferraro would go higher in a re-draft than Liljegren based on what they have accomplished so far. But, Liljegren is trending up.

 

[Edgelord]

There is literally no point in even trying to debate this.

A guy that took 4/5 years to break into the league and played 60 odd games is seen as more valuable that players who have played 200+ games and clearly had a much bigger impact and became NHL regulars since their draft season

....and your Necas comment, seriously....?

the issue is why would we trade him for anything less than a sure bet of becoming what we spend yrs developing him into?
He looks like he is becoming a solid top 4 RHD.

 

[TS Quint]

Because you cannot follow a coherent conversation and are rude. You won't support your statement about Dermott which is what we are arguing about. Why would I bother? Putting you on ignore so don't bother.

Puts me on ignore because I asked him to answer a couple of simple questions about ice time which he opened the door to by providing false information.

Sorry for ruining a good story with facts.

 

[AvroArrow]

There is literally no point in even trying to debate this.

A guy that took 4/5 years to break into the league and played 60 odd games is seen as more valuable that players who have played 200+ games and clearly had a much bigger impact and became NHL regulars since their draft season

....and your Necas comment, seriously....?

Games played does not make you good. That's how you evaluate talent ? LOL. PK Subban > Shane Wright, one guy has hundreds of NHL games played ! seriously that's a garbage argument. Doesn't matter if you entered as an 18 year old or 22 year old, it's about how good/impactful you are once you make it. This is only Jason Robertsons 2nd year, you would take Necas over him too because of games played ? Yeah we're done here lmfao, games played does not equal better player.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I do understand the point but perhaps you don’t. The new toy is always better than the old toy. I am coming here for a few years already. I just don’t buy it and eventually Liljegren just showed glimpses and and whoever defenseman than is playing is more promising again.

Why are you even in here trash talking our players anyways?
Liljegren is playing good now but in a few years he might even be a healthy scratch like go away

 

[Apotheosis]

Not a chance I would ever give him up. Dude is playing lights out. Insanely good in transition, showed great signs defensively and not afraid to throw the body. If we can get him on a cheap deal post ELC, could be a very great value contract. Him and Gio have been our best pairing since the trade.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Tell me you have a blind bias for everything Leafs without saying it.

All the Leaf fans in here telling us about Dermott's top pain potential a couple years ago are the same ones telling us Timmy is totally going to be awesome now. This guy can't even be trusted as much as Holl at this point. Don't hold your breath.

Dermott as a 20 year old had plenty of potential, then he had a nasty leg injury and never really improved from there.....
how is that blind bias?
seems like your stuck in the past because the rest of us have moved on.
Have you noticed for the past couple years no one has been saying Dermott had top pairing potential?
Stop living in the past
Live in the now

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I had enough of this thread.
This thread is full of nonsense.
Why the hell are we even defending Liljegren to a bunch of fans from other teams
Why are there so many fans from other teams in here anyways.
Every damn Leafs thread is filled with you jokers.
Honestly pathetic

 

[TS Quint]

I had enough of this thread.
This thread is full of nonsense.
Why the hell are we even defending Liljegren to a bunch of fans from other teams
Why are there so many fans from other teams in here anyways.
Every damn Leafs thread is filled with you jokers.
Honestly pathetic

I can't believe you are getting upset over other fan bases commenting on Leaf players on a main board. If you dont like it go to the Leafs board. But you don't get to dictate who gets to have an opinion here.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Why are you even in here trash talking our players anyways?
Liljegren is playing good now but in a few years he might even be a healthy scratch like go away

This is an open forum.

Calling a player a bottom pairing defenseman is trash talking nowadays. Ok.

Looks like you have some issues.

 

[McJedi]

Not that I want him to be traded. I'm more interested to see how fans of other value him.

3rd round pick from a playoff team?

 

[Kelly]

3rd round pick from a playoff team?

Knowing that your idiot GM gave a 2nd for Kulak, how could you possibly believe this

 

[bukwas]

3rd round pick from a playoff team?

Lol?

 

[McJedi]

Lol?

4th round pick then? Dermott got a third. He’s probably valued around that. Not higher.