Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid 3 - Flyers Rumors and Media Mentions: Never Ending Circles

[BrindamoursNose]

Meltzer says he thinks Torts retires after this season and is replaced by Sullivan after the Pens fire him.

Well of course - he's already got a front office job lined up with the Flyers. Why bother coaching anymore?!

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Man, what a disaster that would be from bad to worse

does Sullivan like Torts ? cuz he will be his boss

 

[Beef Invictus]

More of the same with Sullivan. He has not been so good at playing the youth in Pittsburgh. Not that there is a lot there, but he is like most older coaches and goes with the veterans who are low risk and low reward in the bottom six. Although he is not big on fighters so Nick D would be gone.

Pittsburgh is in a weird place right now so I think it's hard to judge. When he came up from the AHL he had no trouble using youth, and since he knew their strengths in detail already he used them to great effect.

That won't be the case here, though. So if he does use them, he won't know them as well. And maybe that knowledge and trust was necessary for him to rely on them!

What I do know is that we can't trust any hire the team makes. If a coach is saying things that these people like, that's ominous.

 

[Solution]

Pittsburgh is in a weird place right now so I think it's hard to judge. When he came up from the AHL he had no trouble using youth, and since he knew their strengths in detail already he used them to great effect.

That won't be the case here, though. So if he does use them, he won't know them as well. And maybe that knowledge and trust was necessary for him to rely on them!

What I do know is that we can't trust any hire the team makes. If a coach is saying things that these people like, that's ominous.

That is fair. And the lack of young talent coming up the ranks is a factor, but Sullivan has shown a tendency to miscast players. He is a Torts protege so him signing there would be feasible. Just not sure the ownership group in Pittsburgh is ready to move on from him.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Pittsburgh is in a weird place right now so I think it's hard to judge. When he came up from the AHL he had no trouble using youth, and since he knew their strengths in detail already he used them to great effect.

That won't be the case here, though. So if he does use them, he won't know them as well. And maybe that knowledge and trust was necessary for him to rely on them!

What I do know is that we can't trust any hire the team makes. If a coach is saying things that these people like, that's ominous.

Imagine if Crosby decides he wants to move on. Then I believe the other 2 follow. They could rebuild somewhat quickly with all the assets they would acquire in said trades. Big if mind you.

Be funny to see that happen and end up in better shape than the Flyers.

 

[deadhead]

Imagine if Crosby decides he wants to move on. Then I believe the other 2 follow. They could rebuild somewhat quickly with all the assets they would acquire in said trades. Big if mind you.

Be funny to see that happen and end up in better shape than the Flyers.

Big contracts for over-30 players limits how much you get back in return.
A Penguin rebuild would be a long term deal, close to a decade. Not much in the cupboard.

does Sullivan like Torts ? cuz he will be his boss

Sullivan is Tort's protege.

 

[deadhead]

so..23 ...played not even a full season of pro hockey..dicked around by the coach and you are basically ready to give up on him...and you wonder why people argue with you

I said he has a couple seasons to prove himself.
And he wasn't "dicked around" last season, he simply didn't play well.

He's starting this season on the 3rd line and the PP, it's up to him to take advantage of the opportunity and force Torts to give him more PT by producing on the ice.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Meltzer says he thinks Torts retires after this season and is replaced by Sullivan after the Pens fire him.

No. Please no.

 

[Magua]

Man, what a disaster that would be from bad to worse

Worse! Sullivan is one of the better coaches in the league. It would be falling ass backwards into the first good coach since Lavi. The issue would be Tortorella upstairs with the other yahoos circle jerking to oblivion.

More of the same with Sullivan. He has not been so good at playing the youth in Pittsburgh. Not that there is a lot there

This is as understated as it gets. Penguins haven't had a player since the 2019 class play in the NHL, and that's not because guys are being held back. The last impact player they drafted to see time with the team (or at all) was Guentzel in 2013. You could argue Sprong didn't get a fair shake from 2015, but the NHL at large just doesn't like him. Not playing youth in Pittsburgh is a hypothetical. Their prospect pool has been an atrocity for a decade.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Big contracts for over-30 players limits how much you get back in return.
A Penguin rebuild would be a long term deal, close to a decade. Not much in the cupboard.


Sullivan is Tort's protege.

If the Pens traded Crosby, Malkin, and Letang that would get a lot back. All would get a 1st and then some to stock the cupboard.

They will win another cup before the Flyers do.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

It’s painfully obvious Lappy will be the HC of the Flyers if Tortorella does retire after this season.

 

[deadhead]

If the Pens traded Crosby, Malkin, and Letang that would get a lot back. All would get a 1st and then some to stock the cupboard.

They will win another cup before the Flyers do.

Not sure. They make a lot of money, are past their prime so few teams could afford to fit them in (rebuilding teams wouldn't be interested) or want to be saddled with their contracts.

Crosby on a 3 year deal has value,
Malkin is 38 with 2x$6.1M left
Rust is 32 with 4x$5.1M left
Rakell 31 with 4x$5M left
Karlson 34 with 3x$10M left
Letang 37 with 4x$6.1M left

 

[Curufinwe]

I don't think that's obvious at all.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

People sure do love to hypothesize about Torts retiring & who’d replace him.

Of course Meltzer is one of those, since he is such a Frost fanboy & thinks Torts has been unfair to Frost.

Torts still has a year on his contract, loves coaching, is in the middle of his project of reshaping the team, has done a good job, has given no indications of wanting to stop coaching, & management loves him.

Much more likely he signs an extension than retires or moves to the front office next season with a year left on his contract.

Whenever Torts does leave, I imagine Brad Shaw would be first in line as successor, assuming he hasn’t been hired as the head coach elsewhere.

 

[freakydallas13]

People sure do love to hypothesize about Torts retiring & who’d replace him.

Can you blame us? Let us live this fantasy for a brief moment.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

How much time does Torta have left on his contract? I don't see him walking away unless his contract is up.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I don't think that's obvious at all.

Agree to disagree then. They are grooming him to be the next HC. They want their coaches to coach a certain way to play and think a certain way. Got to keep that Flyers hockey way alive. What better way than him.

 

[trostol]

i kinda feel bad for MM...everyone anointing him a superstar and all this...if he has a bad stretch or doesn't ya know..put up the numbers for a while people are gonna lose there shit

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Not sure. They make a lot of money, are past their prime so few teams could afford to fit them in (rebuilding teams wouldn't be interested) or want to be saddled with their contracts.

Crosby on a 3 year deal has value,
Malkin is 38 with 2x$6.1M left
Rust is 32 with 4x$5.1M left
Rakell 31 with 4x$5M left
Karlson 34 with 3x$10M left
Letang 37 with 4x$6.1M left

Crosby Malkin and Letang (they were the only 3 I mentioned) would be easily moveable and pretty much every contender would be able to make it work. To think otherwise is silly to me.

they would all bring back 1st and then some.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

People sure do love to hypothesize about Torts retiring & who’d replace him.

Of course Meltzer is one of those, since he is such a Frost fanboy & thinks Torts has been unfair to Frost.

Torts still has a year on his contract, loves coaching, is in the middle of his project of reshaping the team, has done a good job, has given no indications of wanting to stop coaching, & management loves him.

Much more likely he signs an extension than retires or moves to the front office next season with a year left on his contract.

Whenever Torts does leave, I imagine Brad Shaw would be first in line as successor, assuming he hasn’t been hired as the head coach elsewhere.

Torts will have to force their hand as he said he will not do another Columbus situation again. I agree all he knows is coaching. If not back to TV unless he was givin 100% control.

Meltzer also said it was his opinion only.

Shaw is not head coaching material at this stage. Torst stigma doesnt help him

 

[GKJ]

Meltzer says he thinks Torts retires after this season and is replaced by Sullivan after the Pens fire him.

What’s the connection?

 

[deadhead]

Force what hand?
Torts has another year after this season.
Jones and Briere are very happy with him.
There is no "players' revolt," they've grown accustomed to him and the malcontents are history.

Torts will coach as long as he wants, but I think at some point he'll call it quits and retire to the farm.
At that point he might be an advisor, but I don't think he's interested in the FO at this point in his life.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

What’s the connection?

Vader/Obi Wan

 

[renberg]

What’s the connection?

Tortorella and Sullivan are old friends. Sullivan was an AC with Tortorella in Vancouver. They also coached together in tournament situations like this year's Four nations Cup.

 

[GKJ]

Tortorella and Sullivan are old friends. Sullivan was an AC with Tortorella in Vancouver. They also coached together in tournament situations like this year's Four nations Cup.

There we go