The insanity needs to stop this offseason barring a miracle.

[Ianturnedbull]

Ownership only cares about money. They're gonna re-sign Tavares, they'll re-sign Marner if his asks are in any shape or form reasonable, and the show will go on as a perennially good, but not great team and a playoff underachiever.

One just has to look at the Jays across the street to see what future await the Leafs. The Jays have been a mostly irrelevant club since they took over in 2000.

Every owner of every team cares about money.

You make it seem like they sell off all their best players, they only spend to the cap floor, and that they do the classic capitalist model: pay low and sell high. This is nearly impossible when you look at this team. A cup winning TML is so much more profitable than a losing one. You make it seem as though they've never tried to win. Of course they have. Many organizations draft players, sign them to long-term contracts, and try to put them in a position to win. They don't punish them like fans want them punished for losing. NHL Hockey is incredibly difficult to win a championship in. Not every team has incredible luck to have everything fall into place and catch lightning in a bottle. Look at Boston. People have some kind of impression that they are a model franchise. They've only won 1 cup in the last 52 years. You'd think with all their bragging rights they would be up there with the best teams, but they are not. Your argument that the Leafs are somehow connected to the Jays and their woes is really wild and terribly cynical. You'd think we were as terrible as the Columbus Blue Jackets or something they way you talk. CBJ would kill to be us.

 

[Nineteen67]

it's really an absolute joke that the 93 and 2002 Leafs teams are heralded as great teams and guys like Gimour/Clarke are trotted out like hero's because they didn't accomplish much either imo. losing in the conference finals is no different in my books as missing the playoffs. there can be success in individual season's as you build towards being a cup favorite, there can be season's where your building experience as a young team and those can be successes within the overall failure that each season brings but at the end of the day only 1 team achieves success each year. 31 fail. Cups are all that really matters. you either win or you go out losing.

The opinion that missing the playoffs is equivalent to the joy that Gilmour etc brought is about as wrong as you can get. They were hockey players and far more talented than anything we’ve seen since the Sundin era ended.

 

[Nineteen67]

Every owner of every team cares about money.

You make it seem like they sell off all their best players, they only spend to the cap floor, and that they do the classic capitalist model: pay low and sell high. This is nearly impossible when you look at this team. A cup winning TML is so much more profitable than a losing one. You make it seem as though they've never tried to win. Of course they have. Many organizations draft players, sign them to long-term contracts, and try to put them in a position to win. They don't punish them like fans want them punished for losing. NHL Hockey is incredibly difficult to win a championship in. Not every team has incredible luck to have everything fall into place and catch lightning in a bottle. Look at Boston. People have some kind of impression that they are a model franchise. They've only won 1 cup in the last 52 years. You'd think with all their bragging rights they would be up there with the best teams, but they are not. Your argument that the Leafs are somehow connected to the Jays and their woes is really wild and terribly cynical. You'd think we were as terrible as the Columbus Blue Jackets or something they way you talk. CBJ would kill to be us.

8 yrs ago no one could have predicted Matthews, Marner and Nylander would be as bad as they’ve been. Having said that, when Matthews actually enjoyed being rag-dolled management should have corrected course, assuming being competitive was imperative.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

8 yrs ago no one could have predicted Matthews, Marner and Nylander would be as bad as they’ve been. Having said that, when Matthews actually enjoyed being rag-dolled management should have corrected course, assuming being competitive was imperative.

What do you mean by "bad"? This is universally untrue.

 

[Menzinger]

In this market, with only a few high end players available and a lot of teams with cap space...Marner is going to have offers in the Draisaitl range I think.

Well, we just saw that three contending teams weren't willing to give Rantanen that level of aav.

Maybe a bottom team like the Ducks or Columbus tries to draw Marner with a cheque that big, but does he really want to spend the rest of his prime trying to scrape into the first round?

 

[Nineteen67]

Well, we just saw that three contending teams weren't willing to give Rantanen that level of aav.

Maybe a bottom team like the Ducks or Columbus tries to draw Marner with a cheque that big, but does he really want to spend the rest of his prime trying to scrape into the first round?

after 8 years he’ll move away from that and try to sign with a contender is my guess.

 

[Nineteen67]

What do you mean by "bad"? This is universally untrue.

Bad = Not good. They are not considered good players in my opinion. Terrific shinny players, 3 on 3 they’re great, but a hard nosed hockey game and they’re not very good. Didn’t think anyone disputed that after 8 years.

 

[mikeyz]

8 yrs ago no one could have predicted Matthews, Marner and Nylander would be as bad as they’ve been. Having said that, when Matthews actually enjoyed being rag-dolled management should have corrected course, assuming being competitive was imperative.

That moment was absolutely disgusting.

 

[Evilhomer]

These are strange threads. Do they all magically disappear if the team goes to the Cup final this season?

 

[Nineteen67]

These are strange threads. Do they all magically disappear if the team goes to the Cup final this season?

Will they learn to play hockey or will the nhl succumb to their unlikable soft style?

 

[ULF_55]

On the bright side, letting Marner and Tavares walk will free up 20-22M in space. Could you get Bennett, Marchand, and Ehlers for that? The felxibility will be worth letting them walk. I have ZERO confidence this team will go any further than they have the last 7yrs.

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[Nineteen67]

That moment was absolutely disgusting.

Unfortunately that very well could be his legacy photo in a Leafs’ jersey.

 

[Ben Grimm]

Wow! The OP is so confused. If you based decisions solely on the playoffs, you would never make them because you'd dump all your great regular season players who get you to the playoffs.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Bad = Not good. They are not considered good players in my opinion. Terrific shinny players, 3 on 3 they’re great, but a hard nosed hockey game and they’re not very good. Didn’t think anyone disputed that after 8 years.

Well Doug Gilmour has the record for all-time playoff points (77), but I'm not going to call anyone who doesn't achieve that "bad".

Believe me. I don't love Nylander, Marner, etc. But I never call them "bad".

There's all kinds of blame to go around when it comes to this team, but I still would never say they were "bad".

 

[Evilhomer]

Will they learn to play hockey or will the nhl succumb to their unlikable soft style?

Maybe it's both.

 

[Nineteen67]

Well Doug Gilmour has the record for all-time playoff points (77), but I'm not going to call anyone who doesn't achieve that "bad".

Believe me. I don't love Nylander, Marner, etc. But I never call them "bad".

There's all kinds of blame to go around when it comes to this team, but I still would never say they were "bad".

They’re pretty dull and unlikable, that’s for sure. No one in Leafs land gets overly excited about them.

Maybe it's both.

Can’t be. I anticipate they’ll never be beloved Leafs like the guys we admired.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

They’re pretty dull and unlikable, that’s for sure. No one in Leafs land gets overly excited about them.

This is also untrue. People come out every year to maple leaf square and cheer for them.

 

[Nineteen67]

This is also untrue. People come out every year to maple leaf square and cheer for them.

Because that’s all they have. Overall, they’re a unlikable core and I think any Leafs fan would prefer a different group than what they have.

I think it would be a shame if Matthews Nylander and Marner, playing like they have, ever got their name close to the Cup. If they learned to play hockey, great, but don’t let the game change for their sake.

 

[Leafsfan74]

These are strange threads. Do they all magically disappear if the team goes to the Cup final this season?

Yes. Want to wager if it happens or not?

I could have made this thread after the Habs series and it would be running strong four years later. Hell, I predicted they weren't going to beat Columbus.

 

[Evilhomer]

Yes. Want to wager if it happens or not?

I already have.

 

[Leafsfan74]

I already have.

May your money go to a good cause

 

[Ianturnedbull]

These are strange threads. Do they all magically disappear if the team goes to the Cup final this season?

If leaf fans are anything like EDM...

EDM fans are losing their minds right now. Yeah. Skinner looks pretty inconsistent. The team is 2nd in the division. You'd think by the fan reaction that they are a lottery team this year. There's no chill over there, yet their team went to the cup finals last year. They still have a pretty deep team.

I'd love a cup. Even to go to the finals would be awesome.

Most fans would make thread like this if a cup was won, but it looked like the team was slipping again.

 

[Nineteen67]

If leaf fans are anything like EDM...

EDM fans are losing their minds right now. Yeah. Skinner looks pretty inconsistent. The team is 2nd in the division. You'd think by the fan reaction that they are a lottery team this year. There's no chill over there, yet their team went to the cup finals last year. They still have a pretty deep team.

I'd love a cup. Even to go to the finals would be awesome.

Most fans would make thread like this if a cup was won, but it looked like the team was slipping again.

Edmonton has a two superstars and the Leafs don’t so you have to adjust your expectations accordingly.

 

[ACC1224]

Lol. Tell me you’re happy with just making the playoffs and losing in the 1st round year after year without telling me you’re happy with just making the playoffs and losing in the 1st round year after year.

Why would anyone be happy with that?

 

[Nineteen67]

Why would anyone be happy with that?

Based on the current rosters all playoffs wins have to be considered gravy.