Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid 3 - Flyers Rumors and Media Mentions: Never Ending Circles

[freakydallas13]

Or a Hart issue...

I wouldn't refer to anything Hart did as a "skill", but it does seem odd the team is letting the young players "party" in the wake of the Hart stuff.

Like I said, they must feel comfortable with the young players' character.

 

[VladDrag]

Alright here’s a couple tidbits I have heard with talking to some people… take w a grain of salt as always

-Farabee is in line to be the next captain, or get a letter, he is heavily relied upon with getting new players acclimated and the “Farabee crew” is a very real thing, “think the Richards/Carter/Upshall/Lupul days”

-Expect some load management early on from Torts on Coots. Relationship is better.

-Kolosov seems invested on giving this a fair shake

-Michkov’s english is blowing people away

-Players very happy with way Hilferty, Jones, Briere have handled the day to day of being a Flyer… Flyers are pretty first class to play for historically, but I get the feeling the last crew wasn’t around very often LOL

As you said in the prediction thread, Why do you think Brink won't be here long?

 

[usahockey22flyers]

As you said in the prediction thread, Why do you think Brink won't be here long?

I just kind of get the vibe he’s not in their plans. Maybe a trade chip. I don’t think the scoring will be high enough to justify his inclusion long term. I’m no insider, just the vibe I get.

 

[deadhead]

I just kind of get the vibe he’s not in their plans. Maybe a trade chip. I don’t think the scoring will be high enough to justify his inclusion long term. I’m no insider, just the vibe I get.

I think it's wide open the next few years.
TK, Farabee, Tippett, Michkov, Luchanko are expected top 5.
Foerster and Frost have a shot in the top 6.

Couts is long-term contract but could be pushed down to 3C
Brink, Cates pushing for 3rd line role.

In the system, Bump, Tuomaala probably best shot to push for top 9 in near future.
Barkey, Berglund, Powell, Ciernak longer term candidates.
But unlikely any can push someone down from top 6.

Wildcard is 2025 draft, with 5 picks probably in the top 40 (CBJ, Anaheim 2nd) Flyers may draft 2-3 forwards or trade for young top 6 center.

So it'll be tough path for Brink, but really for a lot of Flyer young forwards and prospects.
At some point they'll probably do a major trade built around say a 1st, 2nd, and two minor prospects or a 1st and player like Frost/Brink/Cates.

 

[VladDrag]

I just kind of get the vibe he’s not in their plans. Maybe a trade chip. I don’t think the scoring will be high enough to justify his inclusion long term. I’m no insider, just the vibe I get.

I understand that, I take it with a grain of salt.

I think Brink is one of the most naturally talented offensive players on that team, and I think he can be a 70 point scorer given the right circumstances. I don't take all three zones data as gospel on account of lack of total tracked time, but the amount of dark blue lines can't be ignored. I've described his game as offensively mature. He knows when to shoot, when to pass. He's just a well-developed talent....But I don't particularly trust their eye when it comes to non-elite offensive talent to be honest.

 

[deadhead]

I understand that, I take it with a grain of salt.

I think Brink is one of the most naturally talented offensive players on that team, and I think he can be a 70 point scorer given the right circumstances. I don't take all three zones data as gospel on account of lack of total tracked time, but the amount of dark blue lines can't be ignored. I've described his game as offensively mature. He knows when to shoot, when to pass. He's just a well-developed talent....But I don't particularly trust their eye when it comes to non-elite offensive talent to be honest.

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I think skating will be the only thing that can hold Brink back, but it has improved.
He's small, but stouter than say Caufield.
Needs to improve his shot as well just to keep defenses honest, but it's not bad.

Probably the second best pure playmaker after Michkov.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I understand that, I take it with a grain of salt.

I think Brink is one of the most naturally talented offensive players on that team, and I think he can be a 70 point scorer given the right circumstances. I don't take all three zones data as gospel on account of lack of total tracked time, but the amount of dark blue lines can't be ignored. I've described his game as offensively mature. He knows when to shoot, when to pass. He's just a well-developed talent....But I don't particularly trust their eye when it comes to non-elite offensive talent to be honest.

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what are his grinds per 60 stat thats were the numbers matter here..

 

[VladDrag]

I think skating will be the only thing that can hold Brink back, but it has improved.
He's small, but stouter than say Caufield.
Needs to improve his shot as well just to keep defenses honest, but it's not bad.

Probably the second best pure playmaker after Michkov.

I don’t disagree re skating. The puck gets taken off his stick in transition too many times.

But his shot mechanics are excellent.

 

[Curufinwe]

Brinks scored 1.64 ESP/60 last season compared to 1.25 for Foerster. Of course Foerster got much more ice time and better linemates because Flyers.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I don’t disagree re skating. The puck gets taken off his stick in transition too many times.

But his shot mechanics are excellent.

Brink also had many moments where he proved that skating speed and agility aren't everything and the puck is the fastest thing. He made a lot of good, quick plays to move things along before he could get pounced on. But like you said, that began drying up; teams must have seen enough of him to know how to pick him apart. He's going to have to figure out how to stop that from happening.

It's also a thing I'd worry about with Luchanko. Teams will figure out his weaknesses in a full season. I figure if he's here for 9 or fewer games, then that won't happen. If I had to guess though, he's going to be here for Game 10 unless he completely poops the ice. If he looks efforty enough that's probably going to fool them.

 

[deadhead]

I don’t disagree re skating. The puck gets taken off his stick in transition too many times.

But his shot mechanics are excellent.

Like Frost he thinks pass too much, in the NHL you have to shoot enough to keep defenders honest or they'll play the passing lanes - but that gives you an open path and shooting lane.

The difference with Luchanko is that elite speed, that opens up the ice if you use it to press action.
But in "half court" sets edge work and agility far more important than speed, you can't rush end to end when you start inside the blue line.
So we'll see how well he learns to work in smaller areas and small windows.

 

[Beef Invictus]

New rumor, Flyers may finally play a game in two days. B5

 

[usahockey22flyers]

I understand that, I take it with a grain of salt.

I think Brink is one of the most naturally talented offensive players on that team, and I think he can be a 70 point scorer given the right circumstances. I don't take all three zones data as gospel on account of lack of total tracked time, but the amount of dark blue lines can't be ignored. I've described his game as offensively mature. He knows when to shoot, when to pass. He's just a well-developed talent....But I don't particularly trust their eye when it comes to non-elite offensive talent to be honest.

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I love Brink. I just think he’s gonna get yo-yo’d out of the lineup again, thats why I went really light for the points.

It sucks

 

[renberg]

It's also a thing I'd worry about with Luchanko. Teams will figure out his weaknesses in a full season. I figure if he's here for 9 or fewer games, then that won't happen. If I had to guess though, he's going to be here for Game 10 unless he completely poops the ice. If he looks efforty enough that's probably going to fool them.

Opponents will figure out weaknesses in Luchanko’s game pretty quickly and exploit them. The only reason that he’s here now, and maybe for longer, is Tortorella’s dislike for Frost and Couturier.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Opponents will figure out weaknesses in Luchanko’s game pretty quickly and exploit them. The only reason that he’s here now, and maybe for longer, is Tortorella’s dislike for Frost and Couturier.

exactly...

 

[Hanover Fist]

I love Brink. I just think he’s gonna get yo-yo’d out of the lineup again, thats why I went really light for the points.

It sucks

This years toilet seat

 

[Boocowski]

I just kind of get the vibe he’s not in their plans. Maybe a trade chip. I don’t think the scoring will be high enough to justify his inclusion long term. I’m no insider, just the vibe I get.

Wait. There's a long term plan?

 

[Random Forest]

Brink has his draft capital going for him. The Flyers know he’s a gifted player with potential to be a core offensive contributor, and I really don’t think they would give up on him without letting him have a shot at a full time spot with good linemates.

If he was your typical case of “undersized offensive winger with great junior scoring numbers who fell to the 5th round because the NHL is full of cowards” then I could have seen him being bounced around the league like a Mathieu Perreault.

He’ll have his chance this year to prove what he can be in the NHL. But I think he’ll need to put up 45 points to be in their long term plans. And he’ll need consistent PP time (on a functional unit) to do that.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

New rumor, Flyers may finally play a game in two days. B5

I woke up today and it looks like today is not that day.

 

[deadhead]

Brink has his draft capital going for him. The Flyers know he’s a gifted player with potential to be a core offensive contributor, and I really don’t think they would give up on him without letting him have a shot at a full time spot with good linemates.

If he was your typical case of “undersized offensive winger with great junior scoring numbers who fell to the 5th round because the NHL is full of cowards” then I could have seen him being bounced around the league like a Mathieu Perreault.

He’ll have his chance this year to prove what he can be in the NHL. But I think he’ll need to put up 45 points to be in their long term plans. And he’ll need consistent PP time (on a functional unit) to do that.

He's on the 3rd line and a PP unit.

At 23 he has a couple years to prove out, but at some point people have to stop making excuses for prospects they like (I've done this as well) and accept that in the end, either you produce or you're not good enough.

 

[Curufinwe]

Opponents will figure out weaknesses in Luchanko’s game pretty quickly and exploit them. The only reason that he’s here now, and maybe for longer, is Tortorella’s dislike for Frost and Couturier.

"Looks like Luchanko is coming out with Michkov and Konecny for the 3rd period!"

 

[Curufinwe]

Meltzer says he thinks Torts retires after this season and is replaced by Sullivan after the Pens fire him.

 

[trostol]

He's on the 3rd line and a PP unit.

At 23 he has a couple years to prove out, but at some point people have to stop making excuses for prospects they like (I've done this as well) and accept that in the end, either you produce or you're not good enough.

so..23 ...played not even a full season of pro hockey..dicked around by the coach and you are basically ready to give up on him...and you wonder why people argue with you

 

[Solution]

Meltzer says he thinks Torts retires after this season and is replaced by Sullivan after the Pens fire him.

More of the same with Sullivan. He has not been so good at playing the youth in Pittsburgh. Not that there is a lot there, but he is like most older coaches and goes with the veterans who are low risk and low reward in the bottom six. Although he is not big on fighters so Nick D would be gone.

 

[Cody Webster]

Meltzer says he thinks Torts retires after this season and is replaced by Sullivan after the Pens fire him.

Man, what a disaster that would be from bad to worse