Therrien - New Season Edition
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Mr Jackpot
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The Habs outshot and outchanced the Lightning in the 2nd round. In the first 5 games of the series, the Habs had more shots and more chances:
game 1 44-35
game 2 29-24
game 3 31-19
game 4 40-24
game 5 29-25
game 6 19-28
192 to 155 for the Habs and this is not counting the 12 goal posts
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Mr Jackpot
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But what's really really amazing is that some people still didn't know that the Habs completely dominated the Bolts in last years playoff.
After 6 months since the elimination, you still didn't know that?
After 6 months since the elimination, you still didn't know that?
He said when the score was close, learn to read. Goal posts arent shots, theyre not shots, when you hit the post, its not counted as a shot (unless its off the goalie)
You dont "completely dominate" a team in the playoffs and get eliminated. Thats why its a 7 game series. You cant get "unlucky" in losing 4 of your 6 games. You can get unlucky in losing 1 of 1 game. But you CAN NOT "completely dominate" a 7 game playoff series, and go home in 6. Thats not "completely dominate", thats "losing"
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Mr Jackpot
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Dude it's been 6 months and counting, to this day you still haven't figured it out.
FRI, 1 MAY 2015 LIGHTNING CANADIENS
7:00 PM FINAL TBL (2) - MTL (1) 2ND OT
SUN, 3 MAY 2015 LIGHTNING CANADIENS
6:00 PM FINAL TBL (6) - MTL (2)
WED, 6 MAY 2015 CANADIENS LIGHTNING
7:00 PM FINAL MTL (1) - TBL (2)
THU, 7 MAY 2015 CANADIENS LIGHTNING
7:00 PM FINAL MTL (6) - TBL (2)
SAT, 9 MAY 2015 LIGHTNING CANADIENS
7:00 PM FINAL TBL (1) - MTL (2)
TUE, 12 MAY 2015 CANADIENS LIGHTNING
7:30 PM FINAL MTL (1) - TBL (4)
Thats what I got figured out.
Pick one. Is it the record, or is it "they dominated and deserved better"?
Habnot
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Said offside happened a good 10-15 seconds before the goal occurred, and the habs had clear possession of the puck before they failed to execute da gameplan and properly chip it off the glass and out. This isnt like 2011's offside in game 4 where the goal was scored off the rush of said offside. Please dont embarrass us with such paltry excuses, leave that garbage for mr no excuses Therrien.
Perhaps you want to make excuses that game 3 was also lost with seconds to go, because Tampa kept playing until the end of the period, and Montreal was playing to defend the tie?
So it's the final score that counts, not who dominated who, or who outshot who....good!
WED, 7 OCT 2015 CANADIENS LEAFS
7:00 PM FINAL MTL (3) - TOR (1)
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Mr Jackpot
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This is what I said:
Coach record over 6-7 years.
Nice try though, keep trying, maybe you will get there.
Lafleurs Guy
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It's great we won. I'd just like to see us play better hockey. Playing better hockey means we'll have a better shot at the cup. You can play like crap and beat half the teams in the league. But if you play like crap against Chicago they will kill you most of the time. And we're going to have to beat the Chicagos of the world if we want a championship.
People want a cup here. We have a roster that's good enough to win it. We shouldn't be life or death to beat a team like the Leafs but that's what's been going on for two years now.
Habnot
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Here's the thing, still don't have all the pieces to be a true SC contender.
Our goaltending and defense is SC worthy - our forward group is not, especially your top 6 - and that's the significant distinction. Once you get to the final 4, it's not about the goaltending, it's often about individual offensive skill. Pleks, Gallagher, Eller, and Semin would not be playing o a true SC rosters top two lines.
Really? Who did the Hawks have?
Price >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Crawford
PK = Keith (this will upset some people, I know)
Markov < Seabrook (only because of age)
Patch = Kane (except when it comes to dangling, Kanes probably the best in the league right now)
Toews <<<<<< Plek
Chucky >>>> Richards
Gally << Sharp
Tell me how come Chicago was SC worthy, and our team isnt even "a cup contender"
What??..The only way to know if a coach is good is to look at his record over 6-7 years??..and that's ''at the least''??...Ridiculous.
Lafleurs Guy
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Here's the thing... yes we do.
Worse rosters than ours have won the cup. We aren't Cup favourites and we're not the 70s Habs but we've got a great blueline, best in league goaltending (this alone gives us a huge edge) and a good group of forwards. Our achilles heel is coaching. We handicap ourselves for no real reason and it kills us.
At the very least you'd expect this lineup to be above average across the board... but we're not. We're below average everywhere. Please don't give me this crap about us not being good enough... we are. Anything less than a cup final appearance this year and you should be upset.
You don't have to be the 80s Islanders to win a cup and you definitely don't have to be that good to be a contender. We've got a great lineup with top end talent in it's prime. That's good enough to contend for sure.
Brad Richards was the 2nd center of the Hawks. Before that it was Handzus. So it's not as simple as that. It's not about individuals. It's about your team. The Bruins won it with depth. They had a guy like Ryder on the third line. If the DD line can be as effective as they were during the preseason, and the top 2 other lines mesh well, then we could definitely have SC contender depth.
But to win a cup, you also need luck and everything to click at the same time. To the point where you need your 4th liners to also step up.
You need a few higher level talent that can drive the team. We have Price, we have Subban, Patches is also there but he needs help. Galchenyuk will hopefully be this guy. From there, we would need another reliable top 6 winger for us to have a very strong depth.
I agree, we're not quite there yet, but we're good enough to make it through if all the stars align.
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(mod) I said when the score was close, the Bolts carried the play. When a team is leading by 2 or 3 goals, they take the foot off the gas, allowing the trailing team to gain momentum and take more shots. Alternatively, the trailing team may give up, allowing the leading team to put up more shots. This is a known fact, which is why it's much more relevant to look at shot attempts when the score is close, rather than the total shot attempts over a 7 game series.
So again, with the score close, the Bolts out shot and out chanced the Habs.
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I actually looked this up on war on ice, and this isnt true.
Shots
MTL TB
6 12 G6
17 16 G5
4 4 G4
18 15 G3
12 11 G2
31 26 G1
88 84 Total
Scoring Chances
MTL TB
7 11 G6
16 25 G5
2 1 G4
28 14 G3
6 4 G2
33 32 G1
92 87 Total
Thats hardly "complete dominance" either though. These numbers are only 5v5 also
Habnot
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True but last time I checked top 6 implies we have 6...
You're right, Brad Richards is totally SC worthy top 6 material and we have no one on our roster that could hold his jock. Keep digging that grave son.
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Habnot
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How about Teows, Kane, Hossa, Sharp Saad..what's your answer to that
If you want to compare Richards - how about Paranteau last year - see we can play this game as long as you want. Talk about clueless.
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