Therrien - New Season Edition

[BLONG7]

He doesn't have to use DD at all. He's chosen to use him. We don't need this guy and he shouldn't be eating up near the minutes he does. He's put a middling player in a prime role. Why? No idea.

Again, this is a coaching decision. Just like using Cube on the PP was a coaching decision.

It seems hopeless sometimes, doesn't it...95% of our fans know our coach is a buffon, but then there's the other 5%.......I guess that's what makes this place interesting, to say the least.

Did anyone catch on Sportsnet last night, how the commentators picked up on Babcock talking to his troops after almost every line change, and then there's Mike Therrien, not a word to anone during the game, and the stare down into space...ya gotta wonder, he must be thinking of where he is going for a bite to eat after the game...

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

You're talking about Pacio who average 0.56 pts a game in the playoffs?

You're talking about Galch who had 4 pts in 12 playoffs games?

You're really wanna compare the duo of Krejci/Bergeron to the duo of DD/Plek?

And did you really talk about Semin?

It's a good group that's just as good as that Bruins group. And yeah, I'd take the Montreal group.

Our problem is coaching. Get a real coach and our point totals will improve. Our defense will improve. Our puck possession will improve.

Historically speaking Therrien's predecessors and successors have a 5 point advantage over him in terms of possession. That's a huge gap. The difference between the worst team and the best is usually a ten point gap, Therrien alone had been bad enough historically to make up half the difference.

Again, this is a guy who had the Pens 30th in shots and 26th in shots against when he was fired with that team out of the playoffs. And as soon as he was fired the team went top ten in both and went on to win the cup. Think about it, the guy was the difference between winning the cup and making the playoffs.

He's not a below average coach, he's a flat out bad one.

 

[Mr Jackpot]

We don't need this guy and he shouldn't be eating up near the minutes he does. He's put a middling player in a prime role. Why? No idea.

Again, this is a coaching decision. Just like using Cube on the PP was a coaching decision.

What prime role you're talking about, DD finished 110th in the league for ice-time among forwards.

DD had 46 points while being 110th in the league for ice-time, and he had 1st line stats for possession.

 

[Mr Jackpot]

Get a real coach and our point totals will improve.

This is exactly the point I made in post #107 in this thread:

If I understand people's logic in this thread, if Babcock was the Habs coach last season we would have at least 122+ points and we would have finished first in the league by a large margin.

 

[Mr Jackpot]

Again, this is a guy who had the Pens 30th in shots and 26th in shots against when he was fired with that team out of the playoffs. And as soon as he was fired the team went top ten in both and went on to win the cup. Think about it, the guy was the difference between winning the cup and making the playoffs.

You need to provide a link to prove all that.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

What prime role you're talking about, DD finished 110th in the league for ice-time among forwards.

DD had 46 points while being 110th in the league for ice-time, and he had 1st line stats for possession.

And he was used as an exploitive center here being stapled to our best forward and getting tons of PP time. There was no reason to do this anymore than there was a reason to force Cube onto the PP.

We had THREE better options as first line center, Galchenyuk being the most obvious.

You need to provide a link to prove all that.

http://hockey-graphs.com/2014/09/22/nhl-coach-changes-positive-negative-nhl-history/

 

[dkd]

First game of the season, Carey earns his first 1st star of the game. I guess things never change.

 

[Mr Jackpot]

Did anyone catch on Sportsnet last night, how the commentators picked up on Babcock talking to his troops after almost every line change, and then there's Mike Therrien, not a word to anone during the game, and the stare down into space...ya gotta wonder, he must be thinking of where he is going for a bite to eat after the game...

The same Therrien who is 7-0 in his last 7 games against Babcock?

Oh ok I wasn't sure.

 

[Mr Jackpot]

http://hockey-graphs.com/2014/09/22/nhl-coach-changes-positive-negative-nhl-history/

lol... im not talking about that link, im talking about proving these 3 things with links:

-Pens 30th in shots for when Therrien was fired

-Pens 26th in shots against when Therrien was fired

-as soon as he was fired the team went top ten in both and went on to win the cup.


You need to prove these 3 things with links.

 

[dkd]

The same Therrien who is 7-0 in his last 7 games against Babcock?

Oh ok I wasn't sure.

The same Therrien who relies on Price to win games, yes.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

lol... im not talking about that link, im talking about proving these 3 things with links:

-Pens 30th in shots for when Therrien was fired

-Pens 26th in shots against when Therrien was fired

-as soon as he was fired the team went top ten in both and went on to win the cup.


You need to prove these 3 things with links.

30th in shots

22nd (sorry not 26th) in shots against

Top ten afterwards and went on to win the cup.

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on...ockey-lead-to-a-stanley-cup-for-the-canadiens

"Where did they rank that season in terms of shots per game and shots against when Therrien was fired in mid-February?

They were 30th in shots for and 22nd in shots against.

Following the coaching change, when Therrien was replaced by Dan Bylsma, the Penguins were seventh in the league in generating shots and eighth in the league at preventing them over the final 25 games of the regular season, a trend that continued into the playoffs when they won the Stanley Cup against a better Detroit team (Marian Hossa went from Pittsburgh to Detroit following the 2007-08 season) than the one that beat them the year before."



Take the time to actually read some of these articles man. Go in with an open mind and take a look at some of these numbers. He's not good.

 

[Mr Jackpot]

The same Therrien who relies on Price to win games, yes.

Is it Therrien that needs to rely on Price or the team that need to rely on Price?

If you were objective for half a second, the answer would be so easy.

 

[BLONG7]

The same Therrien who is 7-0 in his last 7 games against Babcock?

Oh ok I wasn't sure.

Carey Price has nothing to do with any of that does he?

 

[dkd]

Is it Therrien that needs to rely on Price or the team that need to rely on Price?

If you were objective for half a second, the answer would be so easy.

He is the fcking coach!

 

[BLONG7]

lol... im not talking about that link, im talking about proving these 3 things with links:

-Pens 30th in shots for when Therrien was fired

-Pens 26th in shots against when Therrien was fired

-as soon as he was fired the team went top ten in both and went on to win the cup.


You need to prove these 3 things with links.

When MT got fired the Pens were out of the playoff picture...Bylsma takes over and then what happens...ya don't need a link for that do ya?

 

[Soltantgris]

The same Therrien who relies on Price to win games, yes.

On price. On 40 pax goals. On Norris_effort Subban. On elite def_work by Eller/Plekanec. On a very good D-group. Etc.

 

[DAChampion]

The people who say that the Habs dominated the Lightning forget that special teams are part of the sport. 5on5 is the most important setting, but it's not 100% of the game of hockey.

 

[Habnot]

The people who say that the Habs dominated the Lightning forget that special teams are part of the sport. 5on5 is the most important setting, but it's not 100% of the game of hockey.

Any reasonable observer would say that the Habs outplayed the Bolts, Bishop outplayed Price and the Habs deservedly lost the series - blame Therrien

Which is different from the Habs getting outplayed, Price standing on his head and the Habs winning - blame Therrien

Therrien gets blamed either way.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The people who say that the Habs dominated the Lightning forget that special teams are part of the sport. 5on5 is the most important setting, but it's not 100% of the game of hockey.

I felt like we were the better team for most of the series. But yeah, Tampa's PP was amazing. Even when they didn't score there was tons of pressure. Special teams was a huge difference maker in that series.

 

[Kriss E]

How about Teows, Kane, Hossa, Sharp Saad..what's your answer to that

If you want to compare Richards - how about Paranteau last year - see we can play this game as long as you want. Talk about clueless.

Nobody said the team was perfect. We don't have the same firepower up front. Nobody ever argued that. We will not win the cup because of the firepower of our top 6.
So what. Since when has winning the cup been all about your top 6??..
Our defense is strong and Price is the best player in the NHL. We don't have a very powerful top 6 but we do have the potential to have a more spread out offense through a top 9, and that could be enough. That's how the Bruins won it.
Of course this is assuming the players will actually perform.

 

[Kriss E]

Let's use some facts, here are the top scoring forwards for the last 5 cup winning teams:

2014-15

Patrick Kane 23 11 12 23 pts
Jonathan Toews 23 10 11 21 pts
Marian Hossa 23 4 13 17 pts
Patrick Sharp 23 5 10 15 pts

2013-14

Anze Kopitar 26 5 21 26 pts
Justin Williams 26 9 16 25 pts
Jeff Carter 26 10 15 25 pts
Marian Gaborik 26 14 8 22 pts

2012-13

Patrick Kane 23 9 10 19 pts
Bryan Bickell 23 9 8 17 pts
Patrick Sharp 23 10 6 16 pts
Marian Hossa 22 7 9 16 pts

2011-12

Dustin Brown 20 8 12 20 pts
Anze Kopitar 20 8 12 20 pts
Mike Richards 20 4 11 15 pts
Justin Williams 20 4 11 15 pts

2010-11

David Krejci 25 12 11 23 pts
Patrice Bergeron 23 6 14 20 pts
Brad Marchand 25 11 8 19 pts
Michael Ryder 25 8 9 17 pts

The Habs are not even close to that, how can someone thinks we are close to winning a cup.

To win the Cup, we would need something like:

Pacio 23 games 21 points
Galch 23 games 20 points
Plekanec 23 games 18 points
Gallagher 23 games 17 points

We're not even close to having that.

The only thing we can do is HOPE that we will have that in the future

And before that PO series not one person thought the Bruins had the offense necessary to win the cup. Nobody argued that our guys proved they can lead us to a cup. We did go to a Conference Final and were 2 wins away from a SC appearance, and this wasn't done with our top 6 firing on all cylinders.
Is it impossible for Patches to step up and produce at 1ppg in the POs?? Why would it be??..You remind of some people from Ottawa who kept crapping on Alfredsson because the team never pulled it together calling him a bad leader, until he later brought them to the SCF.

We do not have a proven PO performers on the top 6. It doesn't mean they don't have that potential.
Did you know anything about TB's Johnson, Kucherov, Palat, before they really exploded last POs??..

I don't really get your point here. We've played one game this year, we added Semin, Galchenyuk is moved to center and we're expecting improvements from him, Patches, PK, Price are in their prime, there's definitely potential there. You keep arguing yourself that we dominated TB last year in the POs and their top 6 is superior to ours. They're arguably the best team in the East. So, you're all over the place here.

 

[Nynja*]

Let's use some facts, here are the top scoring forwards for the last 5 cup winning teams:

2014-15

Patrick Kane 23 11 12 23 pts
Jonathan Toews 23 10 11 21 pts
Marian Hossa 23 4 13 17 pts
Patrick Sharp 23 5 10 15 pts

2013-14

Anze Kopitar 26 5 21 26 pts
Justin Williams 26 9 16 25 pts
Jeff Carter 26 10 15 25 pts
Marian Gaborik 26 14 8 22 pts

2012-13

Patrick Kane 23 9 10 19 pts
Bryan Bickell 23 9 8 17 pts
Patrick Sharp 23 10 6 16 pts
Marian Hossa 22 7 9 16 pts

2011-12

Dustin Brown 20 8 12 20 pts
Anze Kopitar 20 8 12 20 pts
Mike Richards 20 4 11 15 pts
Justin Williams 20 4 11 15 pts

2010-11

David Krejci 25 12 11 23 pts
Patrice Bergeron 23 6 14 20 pts
Brad Marchand 25 11 8 19 pts
Michael Ryder 25 8 9 17 pts

The Habs are not even close to that, how can someone thinks we are close to winning a cup.

To win the Cup, we would need something like:

Pacio 23 games 21 points
Galch 23 games 20 points
Plekanec 23 games 18 points
Gallagher 23 games 17 points

We're not even close to having that.

The only thing we can do is HOPE that we will have that in the future

Its hard to score goals when your gameplan all season long is "give da puck away, risk free hockey, make them turnover da puck, grind da puck"

 

[Nynja*]

Not to mention you cant have the team play "risk free grind" hockey all season long then say "ok playoffs are here, now we have to push the pace, hold possession". No, it doesnt work that way

 

[Mr Jackpot]

People don't seem to understand that we dominated the Bolts but lost because of lack of offensive talent, it seems like a hard concept to grasp. Habs were 4% on the PP and the Bolts we're flying in the PP with Stamkos, Johnson, Kucherov.

Is it because of Therrien that Gallagher, Eller, Plek and others had many scoring opportunities but couldn't put the puck in the net?

Is it because of Therrien if the Habs had 12 goal posts?

Top 3 centers for Tampa: Stamkos-Johnson-Fillpula

Top 3 centers for Montreal: DD-Plek-Eller

Seems like a tough concept to grasp among Habs fans.

 

[Mr Jackpot]

Its hard to score goals when your gameplan all season long is "give da puck away, risk free hockey, make them turnover da puck, grind da puck"

Is it because of Therrien that Gallagher, Eller, Plek and others had many scoring opportunities but couldn't put the puck in the net?

Is it because of Therrien if the Habs had 12 goal posts?

Hello?

Top 3 centers for Tampa: Stamkos-Johnson-Fillpula

Top 3 centers for Montreal: DD-Plek-Eller

Hello??????