Post-Game Talk: The Wild? More like The Boring AF! Jets lose 3-1

[AlphaLackey]

A mediocre effort from front to back.

.917 is not mediocre. That was Hellebuyck's save percentage this game; well above league average, well above average just for starters, and above average for all goalies this year in the 5M - 7.5M AAV bracket.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

I don't understand - why shouldn't we have won those?

Bad choice of words. But what I was getting at was you don't expect your backup to steal so many games.

 

[Derfel]

.917 is not mediocre. That was Hellebuyck's save percentage this game; well above league average, well above average just for starters, and above average for all goalies this year in the 5M - 7.5M AAV bracket.

I said elsewhere he made good saves and kept the game close but he didn't steal it either... although for that to have happened, the Jets would have had to actually present some offense...

 

[bustamente]

Helle made the saves he needed to make today, the scorer's were missing in action, can't just throw your sticks on the ice and expect to win.

 

[Eyeseeing]

Time to creep Toronto’s GDT for some levity

 

[Farmboy Patty]

If only the game was called "Ballerina" so we could give everyone an award. So annoyingly only about goals.

"Ice Corsi" sounds fun too

 

[Hank Chinaski]

Some teams match up well. Some teams don't. We lack forward size. Can't hide it. And the Wild expose it.

Exposed like when we ran roughshod over them in 5 games with basically identical rosters?

Tonight’s L had literally nothing to do with forward size. Jets were slow and couldn’t string more than a few passes together to save their lives.

 

[Derfel]

Some teams match up well. Some teams don't. We lack forward size. Can't hide it. And the Wild expose it.

"Pipsqueak Lowry" is my name for him.

 

[Eyeseeing]

Time to creep Toronto’s GDT for some levity

It didn’t disappoint

 

[bustamente]

I would say the Jets have one of the biggest forward groups in the NHL, really doesn't mean much if you can't or wont use it to your advantage, they have more pressing concerns when they play certain teams than size

 

[Afterburner]

Time to creep Toronto’s GDT for some levity

Ouch 4-0 Isle in the 2nd. Hutch in net already for TO?

 

[Farmboy Patty]

There's a thing called momentum, which leads to goals, as any hockey person knows. There should be a poll on how many times Laine makes brain dead plays. PP specialist right now. We need more. Dubois, Tkachuk, Keller are all guys who impact a game, every shift. Laine is quite the contrary. He's a one trick pony too often, albeit his trick is magic, often involves hats.

Wow, another cookie cutter Laine blah blah one trick pony blah blah post. FYI that one trick was the only thing that gave the Jets even a tiny chance to come back in the game.

 

[voyageur]

That means we have serious problems with our offense, because Laine and Little are supposed to be some kind of offensive line. Or are we seriously running 1a 3a 3b 4a configuration, with CSW being our top line?

I think if you factor in Laine's earlier season's, then he becomes the most valuable point producer both 5v5 and PP. Only this season is he 4th. Right?

Yes. Only this season. But the thing with Little/Laine are the streaks. The 5 goal game against St. Louis, who were sleeping defensively, inflates the stats.

Maybe the solution is just to move up Perreault. He works with Little and he is a much better passer than Connor, who is more of a finisher. I'd say Matty is a bit more tenacious too. Then you look at Connor-Rosie-Apples, or Connor-Lowry-Roslovic.

 

[Maukkis]

We were terrible on transition. It is rare to see somebody downright f*** up dump-ins, but boy oh boy, did they deliver.

Connor and Laine were the two standouts for this godawful group for somehow underperforming the little expectations you could have had for them after the first ten minutes. Neither player seems to understand they're playing for their next contracts, or that is at least what it looked like, watching their piss poor efforts all around the ice. A bag skate would help them understand where we are at. The defense looked terrible - one through six, mind you - and Hellebuyck basically did all he could. At least Maurice tried something good with PLL, but for God's sake... out of all the guys to demote, you chose Ehlers? When nobody can execute a zone entry, that is the guy you want to have on the ice.

Some would want to burn the footage from this game, but I'd create however many copies I can think of and make the team watch them on a marathon. What a tire fire.

 

[Derfel]

Ouch 4-0 Isle in the 2nd. Hutch in net already for TO?

I would think he wanted to take in one more sunny day in Florida!

 

[voyageur]

Exposed like when we ran roughshod over them in 5 games with basically identical rosters?

Tonight’s L had literally nothing to do with forward size. Jets were slow and couldn’t string more than a few passes together to save their lives.

You mean the roster that had no Ryan Suter. Their best defenseman. And then only asserted ourselves with Parise out, in an otherwise tight series. In which Hellebuyck was the early difference.

We couldn't get to the net at all. Did no one else see that? How many screened shots did we get through?

But yes the play was slow. Puck movement was slow. That was by design. And it worked.

 

[AlphaLackey]

I said elsewhere he made good saves and kept the game close but he didn't steal it either... although for that to have happened, the Jets would have had to actually present some offense...

I agree with both those statements. Only pointing out that his performance was not mediocre, but above average even for his above-average price group.

 

[rynryn]

Jets were about the least physically engaged as i can remember seeing them. Not saying its a guaranteed win when they're mashing bodies but Wild play a little more scared usually.

Came here to see if there was a Buff update. Love that guy.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

You mean the roster that had no Ryan Suter. Their best defenseman. And then only asserted ourselves with Parise out, in an otherwise tight series. In which Hellebuyck was the early difference.

We couldn't get to the net at all. Did no one else see that? How many screened shots did we get through?

But yes the play was slow. Puck movement was slow. That was by design. And it worked.

Helle the early difference? We outshot them 84-37 through the first two games. You’re misremembering that series, Minnesota isn’t good enough to expose any team and hasn’t been for a few seasons now.

I agree we couldn’t get to the net at all, that much was obvious. You aren’t going to get anywhere near the net in the NHL when you’re playing half speed.

 

[surixon]

I don't see how Laine gets a promotion for playing bad, on too many nights. He's got a heckuva of a shot, but he looks lazy and clueless 5 on 5. Old Paul Maurice would have pushed Perreault (85-18-27 looked good 5 on 5), Roslovic or Appleton up and put Laine on the 3rd or 4th. I mean I am watching 18 year old Kotkaniemi and he looks more composed with the puck than 20 year old Fortnite. But we blame every other player but the player responsible. No accountability. Wheeler was setting up everyone again, just couldn't get shots through.

I still think some size at forward that plays more than 6 minutes per night is a necessity. To replace the Stastny factor, which brought us to our greatest heights.

It has nothing to do with rewarding or punishing a player. That concept isn't all that applicable in a game were most of the players are playing like crap. It is about creating a spark or some momentum that is all. They seem to be the one combo that can't be broken up to spark the team and that is problematic in games where they are both not going.

 

[voyageur]

Wow, another cookie cutter Laine blah blah one trick pony blah blah post. FYI that one trick was the only thing that gave the Jets even a tiny chance to come back in the game.

Thanks to Wheeler's amazing pass through the forward's legs.

I don't think there is any argument that Wheeler drives the offense. Laine puts the puck in the net, but how good is he without Wheeler on the PP? I am not going to crap on him, but there is a real aversion to calling out a player to be better, in his case. He's been very poor with puck decisions. I think Wheeler was probably as pissed at Laine as the ref, for not defending on the EN goal. The kid is a star, one of the best shooters in the league, but he has to work harder to be great. Maybe not unlike a younger Ovechkin.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

We were terrible on transition. It is rare to see somebody downright **** up dump-ins, but boy oh boy, did they deliver.

Connor and Laine were the two standouts for this godawful group for somehow underperforming the little expectations you could have had for them after the first ten minutes. Neither player seems to understand they're playing for their next contracts, or that is at least what it looked like, watching their piss poor efforts all around the ice. A bag skate would help them understand where we are at. The defense looked terrible - one through six, mind you - and Hellebuyck basically did all he could. At least Maurice tried something good with PLL, but for God's sake... out of all the guys to demote, you chose Ehlers? When nobody can execute a zone entry, that is the guy you want to have on the ice.

Some would want to burn the footage from this game, but I'd create however many copies I can think of and make the team watch them on a marathon. What a tire fire.

I don't get your fixation on bashing on Laine (the only player who scored on the Jets) but I fully agree with you that Ehlers should have been just about the only untouchable player on the top line when they were struggling with zone entries. Such a strange decision by Maurice. ESW > CSW. Heck, when Little is playing well, why not try CLW as the first line and drop Chef to 1b with ECL just to mix things up and change the matchups.

 

[AlphaLackey]

Losses like today make more sense if you adjust our points/place in the standings for the 3 or 4 games that we won with Brossoit that we shouldn't have.

Much ado is being made about nothing. Our starter had another above average night and has continued his trend of much improved play (.919 in the month of December in 10 games). I think even the 'eye test' shows that he's had far fewer brain farts.

If Hellebuyck was a .919 all year, that would be about 8 less goals that we would have scored against us. Coincidentally, if Brossoit was a .919 this year, he'd have let in about 8 more goals.

So if you adjust our place in the standings for the "in spite of Hellebuyck / thanks to Brossoit" factor, given that 3 goals is worth about 1 point in the standings, that's slightly less than 3 points in the standings as a result, not the 6-8 being suggested here.

 

[kanadalainen]

Rangers, Islanders and Chicago are all leading in their games.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

Thanks to Wheeler's amazing pass through the forward's legs.

I don't think there is any argument that Wheeler drives the offense. Laine puts the puck in the net, but how good is he without Wheeler on the PP? I am not going to crap on him, but there is a real aversion to calling out a player to be better, in his case. He's been very poor with puck decisions. I think Wheeler was probably as pissed at Laine as the ref, for not defending on the EN goal. The kid is a star, one of the best shooters in the league, but he has to work harder to be great. Maybe not unlike a younger Ovechkin.

That empty netter was not on Laine, and a young Ovechkin wouldn't even have crossed the offensive blue line since back checking was an unknown strange concept for him at that time.