Post-Game Talk: The Wild? More like The Boring AF! Jets lose 3-1

[robertocarlos]

That doesn't get you even close. Top 4 defenseman are very very expensive, even rentals. I don't think the Jets jump the gun on a trade unless one was already in the works.

Yes, I must have read "warm body that sort of stands near the goalie and blocks shots". Well if they are not going to play Frenchie on the second line then they might as well trade him* for a top 4 D.

*Add as needed.

 

[robertocarlos]

He is a beast of an athlete.

I thought he was MIA. Just checked and he played last night.

 

[Robinson2187]

Don't know, I'm kind of relieved the recovery window opens in a month. Strongly suggests nothing structural, and certainly nothing requiring surgery. Ever indication is a high ankle sprain, so likely about 6 weeks until the big guy is back. Might help everyone focus on the details a bit better.

Exactly. This team has responded pretty well in the past when faced with injuries. Last time Buff was out Myers was way better than his usual. Recent solid play from Kuli can also mitigate the loss.

Also let's Buff get some rest before the playoffs.

 

[GeorgeJETson]

"I'll know it when someone on Sportsnet says it."

Oh, wait, they don't say anything about the Jets. Never mind.

I seem to recall the one Sportsnet guy praising Mark Wheeler a lot...

 

[Farmboy Patty]

Wheeler PP points by year:
5
8
5
15
7
19
12
17
21 (Laine enters the league, doesn't play full time on PP1)
40
19 (so far)
How many many 30 year olds double their PP points? And blaming Laine for the EN



Since the start of 17-18 when Scheifele-Wheeler became unbreakable:

Wheeler is 41st in 5on5 points and Scheifele is 46th.
P/60(1000min minimum) 5on5 Scheifele is 39th and Wheeler is 62nd.

Comparing this season to the players you mentioned:

P/60 5on5
Marner 3.31
Tavares 3.26
Rantanen 2.99
MacKinnon 2.79
Gaudreau 2.56
Scheifele 2.37
Monahan 2.35
Wheeler 2.11
Landeskog 2.02

Compare these numbers to 16-17 when they "only" played together 50% of their ice time:

Scheifele 2.55 p/60 (17-18 2.22)
Wheeler 1.92 p/60 (17-18 2.08)

Bryan Little spent 43.2% of his ice time with Wheeler and had 2.02 P/60
Laine spent 51.9% of his ice time with Scheifele and had 2.32 P/60

Their numbers indicate that they are far from unbreakable.

Your quality posts are a pleasure to read!

 

[JetsFan815]

Buff hurt, Lemieux drawing back, the Jets not looking great, top 4 Tyler Myers. What a way to go into the new years

 

[Saintb]

I don't mind seeing mid season what the Jets can do without Buff.

 

[Gil Fisher]

Is it me or is Wheeler not as dominant as before 5on5?

I feel like he's barely interested out there.

 

[Neuf]

Heritage jerseys tomorrow?

 

[JetsFan815]

I feel like he's barely interested out there.

I disagree. The effort is there... the hands don't seem to be. Maybe he's trying that perfect pass everytime which when works looks great and results in goals but at times the play seems to die on his stick. More than in previous years.

 

[KingBogo]

I feel like he's barely interested out there.

I think Wheeler is keenly interested but is struggling handling the puck consistently 5-5.

 

[surixon]

Wheeler hasn't been dominant at 5 on 5 for a good season and a bit now. It was one of the major concerns I had when he was extended to that deal. He is no longer a driver at ES but is more of a compliment to Scheifele now. Our saving grace is that he still can chisel points off our skilled young players and QB an elite PP. But he is not near the ES player he once was. Age has caught up to him in some respects. I also think he would likely be a bit better if his minutes where managed a bit more. For one get him off the PK

 

[Gil Fisher]

I think Wheeler is keenly interested but is struggling handling the puck consistently 5-5.

While I may have exaggerated, i feel he has been dragging his feet at 5v5 as well.

 

[Psych0dad]

Wheeler hasn't been dominant at 5 on 5 for a good season and a bit now. It was one of the major concerns I had when he was extended to that deal. He is no longer a driver at ES but is more of a compliment to Scheifele now. Our saving grace is that he still can chisel points off our skilled young players and QB an elite PP. But he is not near the ES player he once was. Age has caught up to him in some respects. I also think he would likely be a bit better if his minutes where managed a bit more. For one get him off the PK

Same concerns I had about the extension.

With Buff managing minutes made him perform better. You'd think it could happen with Wheeler too.

 

[Psych0dad]

I love Wheeler, bit I do think there's some concern for finding out Wheeler isn't an 8 million dollar man without Schiefele.

I think that's the reason for all of the opposition when it comes to separating them. Just like I don't want to check my bank account after a pub night, but not looking isn't a long term tactic.

 

[voyageur]

Wheeler PP points by year:
5
8
5
15
7
19
12
17
21 (Laine enters the league, doesn't play full time on PP1)
40
19 (so far)
How many many 30 year olds double their PP points? And blaming Laine for the EN



Since the start of 17-18 when Scheifele-Wheeler became unbreakable:

Wheeler is 41st in 5on5 points and Scheifele is 46th.
P/60(1000min minimum) 5on5 Scheifele is 39th and Wheeler is 62nd.

Comparing this season to the players you mentioned:

P/60 5on5
Marner 3.31
Tavares 3.26
Rantanen 2.99
MacKinnon 2.79
Gaudreau 2.56
Scheifele 2.37
Monahan 2.35
Wheeler 2.11
Landeskog 2.02

Compare these numbers to 16-17 when they "only" played together 50% of their ice time:

Scheifele 2.55 p/60 (17-18 2.22)
Wheeler 1.92 p/60 (17-18 2.08)

Bryan Little spent 43.2% of his ice time with Wheeler and had 2.02 P/60
Laine spent 51.9% of his ice time with Scheifele and had 2.32 P/60

Their numbers indicate that they are far from unbreakable.

I don't know what you are inferring but those numbers indicate our top guns can gun with the best. Yes Scheifele can carry Laine. But why can't Laine carry Laine? If the past couple of games are looking for a change, and more offense, maybe that change should be Laine with the top guns. Because Perreault-Little-Ehlers who are also our 2nd PP, have been pretty good in short stints together. And Connor-Roslovic-Apples/Petan could provide some needed secondary scoring, and youthful energy

And using those stats to infer that Laine is the main source of our PP ignores the simple fact that our PP structure grew with the number of options. If Scheif and Buff weren't threats Laine wouldn't get so many clean looks. We were really slow as a team improving our special teams coaching. Laine's first year is the year we started running our PP with the RH Wheeler controlling the puck on his strong side, which allows to take pucks off the boards clean. It was an adaptation that has paid dividends. I think Kompon deserves a lot of credit for that. Before that we had no structure. Especially the year after Ladd left.

 

[AlphaLackey]

"I'll know it when someone on Sportsnet says it."

Oh, wait, they don't say anything about the Jets. Never mind.

Very good!

 

[jepjepjoo]

I don't know what you are inferring but those numbers indicate our top guns can gun with the best. Yes Scheifele can carry Laine. But why can't Laine carry Laine? If the past couple of games are looking for a change, and more offense, maybe that change should be Laine with the top guns. Because Perreault-Little-Ehlers who are also our 2nd PP, have been pretty good in short stints together. And Connor-Roslovic-Apples/Petan could provide some needed secondary scoring, and youthful energy

And using those stats to infer that Laine is the main source of our PP ignores the simple fact that our PP structure grew with the number of options. If Scheif and Buff weren't threats Laine wouldn't get so many clean looks. We were really slow as a team improving our special teams coaching. Laine's first year is the year we started running our PP with the RH Wheeler controlling the puck on his strong side, which allows to take pucks off the boards clean. It was an adaptation that has paid dividends. I think Kompon deserves a lot of credit for that. Before that we had no structure. Especially the year after Ladd left.

Wheeler with Scheifele 2.90 GF/60
Wheeler without Scheifele 2.56 GF/60

Laine with Scheifele 4.20 GF/60
Laine without Scheifele 2.88 GF/60 (0.02 worse than Wheeler with Scheifele)