Post-Game Talk: The Wild? More like The Boring AF! Jets lose 3-1

[JetsFan815]

Nashville is 3-6-1 in its last 10 and on a 4 game losing streak. The Avs are 3-6-1 in their last 10 games on a 3 game losing streak. So who is going to be 1st and 2nd and why?

Nashville has played without their #1 dman and their two top line wingers in this stretch (it would be like us playing without Morrissey, Wheeler and Laine during the same stretch), their struggles can be rationalized.

Colorado by all accounts is playing as bad as us, I listen to an Avs podcast and in the last episode the host said and I quote "The house is literally on fire" when it comes to Avs.

I am confident we can hold onto the 2nd spot in the Central but I am not sure if we are up there with the heavyweights like Tampa, Nashville, Toronto and San Jose when it comes to post-season supremacy. Luckily there are 4 months ahead to right this ship.

 

[None]

I'm not to optimistic about Buff's injury he needed a lot of help going to the room, pretty non discript injury but he could barely put any pressure on his leg when he went off the ice.

If it's soft tissue/sprain it might end up being longer term than a break. Hopefully it's not as severe as it appeared. I hope he doesn't rush back like Trouba did when he had the high ankle sprain, I might be misremembering but it felt like every time he came back into the lineup he'd re-aggravate it and be out for another week.

The way he reacted instantly was pretty strange though, sometimes you don't even notice a sprain until you've stretched. His reaction was instant, which is usually what you'll see for a break or Achilles injury.

 

[Mud Turtle]

Games like this beg the question: “if other teams can figure out Minneaota’s Trap game (and the trap game of other mediocre teams) why can’t an uber talented team like the Jets beat it?
Can it be anything other than coaching? Honest question.

 

[voyageur]

If only the game was called "Ballerina" so we could give everyone an award. So annoyingly only about goals.

There's a thing called momentum, which leads to goals, as any hockey person knows. There should be a poll on how many times Laine makes brain dead plays. PP specialist right now. We need more. Dubois, Tkachuk, Keller are all guys who impact a game, every shift. Laine is quite the contrary. He's a one trick pony too often, albeit his trick is magic, often involves hats.

 

[tbcwpg]

Games like this beg the question: “if other teams can figure out Minneaota’s Trap game (and the trap game of other mediocre teams) why can’t an uber talented team like the Jets beat it?
Can it be anything other than coaching? Honest question.

It's one thing to "figure it out", it's another to go out and execute it. I wouldn't trust the Jets to shovel my driveway with that effort tonight.

 

[Mud Turtle]

It's one thing to "figure it out", it's another to go out and execute it. I wouldn't trust the Jets to shovel my driveway with that effort tonight.

Agree. But then why does it seem that our worst efforts seem to come against the same types of teams?

 

[voyageur]

Games like this beg the question: “if other teams can figure out Minneaota’s Trap game (and the trap game of other mediocre teams) why can’t an uber talented team like the Jets beat it?
Can it be anything other than coaching? Honest question.

Some teams match up well. Some teams don't. We lack forward size. Can't hide it. And the Wild expose it.

 

[bustamente]

If it's soft tissue/sprain it might end up being longer term than a break. Hopefully it's not as severe as it appeared. I hope he doesn't rush back like Trouba did when he had the high ankle sprain, I might be misremembering but it felt like every time he came back into the lineup he'd re-aggravate it and be out for another week.

The way he reacted instantly was pretty strange though, sometimes you don't even notice a sprain until you've stretched. His reaction was instant, which is usually what you'll see for a break or Achilles injury.

Once contract with Kunin had been made Buff went straight to Helle's crease and stood there till the ref's whistled the play dead, like he knew something was seriously wrong.

 

[Jetster231]

Everybody do the Nelson Nogier. He will be replacing Buff.

 

[grieves]

There's a thing called momentum, which leads to goals, as any hockey person knows. There should be a poll on how many times Laine makes brain dead plays. PP specialist right now. We need more. Dubois, Tkachuk, Keller are all guys who impact a game, every shift. Laine is quite the contrary. He's a one trick pony too often, albeit his trick is magic, often involves hats.

I'm not going to argue with you because I don't have to. I can show you with numbers that Laine is, if not the single most valuable 5v5 player, then one of the closest to them if you care about winning hockey games.

If you do not, then we are not talking about the same value hierarchy. I want to win hockey games and I value most the players that produce those results on the scoreboard where anyone can read them. I'm not that interested in board battles because "the well has been poisoned" in terms of Laine and board battles. There is no objective eye looking at that anymore. We are a continuity of our past here, and to believe that Laine is some kind of a defensive black hole is to be an observer who does not ask questions.

Summa summarum: Give me the player who produces most /60. I will be suprised if that is not Laine both in 5v5 + PP.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Once contract with Kunin had been made Buff went straight to Helle's crease and stood there till the ref's whistled the play dead, like he knew something was seriously wrong.

Buff's fine, he's just trying to show Gaudreau how to really fake an injury.

 

[tbcwpg]

Agree. But then why does it seem that our worst efforts seem to come against the same types of teams?

These kind of stretches can happen for a good team in a season. They're targeted by teams now, there's nonmorn surprise factor. The team gets a bit too big for themselves and thinks they can put a little less into it.

 

[Mud Turtle]

These kind of stretches can happen for a good team in a season. They're targeted by teams now, there's nonmorn surprise factor. The team gets a bit too big for themselves and thinks they can put a little less into it.

Very true.
I think the Jet’s record still somewhat flatters the team’s play so far this season.

 

[Robinson2187]

Some teams match up well. Some teams don't. We lack forward size. Can't hide it. And the Wild expose it.

I call bull**** on the forward size. Agree with the matchup thing tho.

 

[voyageur]

I'm not going to argue with you because I don't have to. I can show you with numbers that Laine is, if not the single most valuable 5v5 player, then one of the closest to them if you care about winning hockey games.

If you do not, then we are not talking about the same value hierarchy. I want to win hockey games and I value most the players that produce those results on the scoreboard where anyone can read them. I'm not that interested in board battles because "the well has been poisoned" in terms of Laine and board battles. There is no objective eye looking at that anymore. We are a continuity of our past here, and to believe that Laine is some kind of a defensive black hole is to be an observer who does not ask questions.

Summa summarum: Give me the player who produces most /60. I will be suprised if that is not Laine both in 5v5 + PP.

4th on the team in P/60 ES, just ahead of Little. Team worst -8 tells you the other part of the story.

 

[None]

Once contract with Kunin had been made Buff went straight to Helle's crease and stood there till the ref's whistled the play dead, like he knew something was seriously wrong.

Yeah, you don't see the ref blow a play dead like that unless Buff tells him it's bad. Hope for the best but I'm expecting he'll be out for a while.

I haven't really liked how aggressive he's been while the offense has been struggling, but I think it's been his most consistent season of hockey so far. Another worry is how badly Chiarot gets exposed when he's playing with anyone else.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

The Jets REALLY need to regroup. Also, put Copp back with Lowry and Tanev, Perreault with Roslovic and Appleton.

Speaking about Appleton, I like him and think he's sick but should we send him down to the Moose for more ice-time? I mean I love him on the Jets, I just don't want his talent going to waste.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Losses like today make more sense if you adjust our points/place in the standings for the 3 or 4 games that we won with Brossoit that we shouldn't have.

 

[voyageur]

I call bull**** on the forward size. Agree with the matchup thing tho.

The Wild force the pucks into corners. Their defense is big, and Spurgeon is one of those guys who plays terrific positionally, a la Morrissey.

I wish I could count the number of Jets forward who were put on their asses tonight, but it's a lot. You don't get to the front of the net easy against them, in a game without a lot of transition speed. That's how I see it.

 

[tbcwpg]

Very true.
I think the Jet’s record still somewhat flatters the team’s play so far this season.

They've won games they shouldn't, but I think if you pay attention as closely to other teams as you do the Jets, the other top end teams have too.

 

[Derfel]

the 3 or 4 games that we won with Brossoit that we shouldn't have.

I don't understand - why shouldn't we have won those?

 

[Eyeseeing]

If it’s any consolation the Leafs are down 4-0

 

[Psych0dad]

If it wasn't for Laine fans constantly campaigning for Laine to be put with Scheif, then I think this Scheifele-Wheeler thing would be a much bigger story on this board than it is. Many posters including myself don't want to be pushing the envelope on the Scheifele-Wheeler front so as not to concede to those whose agenda behind that narrative largely comes from wanting to boost Laine's stats/ice-time rather than concern for the Jets.

So you do not want to side with those you actually agree with, because you think their motives are wrong?

Don't you see the tragedy in that?

We have both arrived to the same conclusion, that it would highly likely be beneficial to the Jets to reunite 55-29. What's there to concede? Rationality is a wonderful thing.

What's good for Jets is good for Laine and vice versa. He's part of the team, if he succeeds the team succeeds.

 

[grieves]

4th on the team in P/60 ES, just ahead of Little. Team worst -8 tells you the other part of the story.

That means we have serious problems with our offense, because Laine and Little are supposed to be some kind of offensive line. Or are we seriously running 1a 3a 3b 4a configuration, with CSW being our top line?

I think if you factor in Laine's earlier seasons, then he becomes the most valuable point producer both 5v5 and PP. Only this season is he 4th. Right?

 

[leer2006]

lol So it’s Maurice’s fault that most of the team couldn’t even execute a proper breakout pass? It’s the coaches fault couldn’t even execute a proper pass? Yeh right. That’s just a lame, easy, ignorant way to describe the game. I’ll make sure to remember who has all the intelligent hot takes.

The bottom line is Yes it is Maurice's fault. It is his team. He is in charge. His main job is to have his team prepared to play. When certain players are not performing to expectations. It is his job to get them going. Whether through line juggling or the occasional benching. It just seems like he has no balls when it comes to Buff, Wheeler or Schief.