OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Blamed Canada
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JTG
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I say this and people laugh, but they need to shitcan Harvin and sign Araiza. Araiza is a cheat code. An underlying issue here is when the offense inevitably goes 3 and out, they inevitably get an inopportune flub from Harvin. Araiza can at least flip the field and let the defense work with some cushion.
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That is pretty consistent. I'm totally done with Najee as a back. He's not even a change of pace back. Dude has bottom of the roster vision as a RB.
This isn't even bringing up his physical limitations.
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Guy has 4 yards a carry on one of the league's most dysfunctional offences that insist on running him into stacked boxes over and over, but that doesn't matter because sometimes he does stupid stuff.
I mean, okay, whatever, but this isn't rational. Top 5 in the league for Yards After Contact, 2nd for broken tackles... not even a change of pace back, yup.
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I don't know the details of Araiza's legal issues and I don't care to litigate them on here even a little bit.
They should absolutely dump Harvin, though. They could go get any punter off the couch and they'd be better. He flubs one seemingly every game and it's not like he's blasting them all the other times either.
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Ehh. He has seen stacked boxes. He has been playing with a shit offensive scheme. That being said, he has left a lot of yards on the field, and if he was hitting those plays with consistency, this offense wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as it has been.
That play shown above is a great example. They were blocking him to run to the left and he ran to the right. There is a miscue somewhere...blame goes somewhere. We need plays like that and he just doesn't make them.
I'm not the only one seeing this - the coaching staff has given him less and less carries, and now he's not RB1. I like Najee personally, but he will need to play on a really good team to be successful, and I just don't think it's here. He has below average vision and he's way too heavy. He's a 2nd back, but even then, he gets dropped on the goal line by someone 70 pounds lighter than him.
Najee kind of reminds me of Parker. People would talk about how Willie averaged so many yards a game, which was true. The whole picture is he had multiple runs under 3 yards and then bounced one for 80. Najee isn't a threat to take it much further than his average yards per carry.
He was falsely accused.
Yeah, I've been saying for a few years that the thing he does best is to run straight into contact. Dude could have a completely wide open lane one way, and he will ALWAYS head towards the other team.
I think a lot of the positives like yards after contact, etc., are purely due to sheer physics.
He's a great guy off the field though.
Are you trying to argue Najee is good? The metrics he rates well in are from a few outlier runs. He’s terrible. The last 3 games have all been cupcake matchups and he’s averaged under 3 ypc.
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I get why they drafted Najee, so I'll never be one of those people that pounds their chest about taking a RB with a 1st round pick. They were looking to get a big bell-cow back that could take some pressure off of a rookie QB they knew they were getting. He is a great guy who has shown leadership and is good with the media and being a face for the franchise. It all made sense to me, whether I agreed with it or not.
I think he could be a really good back in the right scheme, definitely 1000 yard rusher and could have 8-10 TDs consistently. The amount that would have to change here to get him to that point, I don't think we will see it happen before he walks in free agency. He has never looked cohesive with his line, and I think that falls on him more than the line.
Maybe this is different cultural standards at play, but I don't get how anyone who is pro-player safety and pro-getting rid of concussions can have much of an issue with Kazee's ban. He had full control of his body and an unimpeded route, and smacked the guy in the head. The punishment has to be draconian. Is it hard playing at such speeds? Yeah. Are there going to be accidents? Yeah.
I don't think that changes the need to tell players you make the hit legal or else. Kazee hasn't listened, he pays a price. The timing stinks, there's probably guys getting away with it when he's getting punished... but I still don't have a problem.
I don't think that changes the need to tell players you make the hit legal or else. Kazee hasn't listened, he pays a price. The timing stinks, there's probably guys getting away with it when he's getting punished... but I still don't have a problem.
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I think we have seen enough of Pickett to know who he is and that they should move on. But I am willing to acquiesce a little bit and give him next season under a new OC. But that comes with conditions, they need to have a decent backup. They need to have a guy that Tomlin or the new head coach is willing to go to on a moments notice.
And for anybody thinking about the draft, even if the Steelers lose out, they are pretty much locked into picking 14th-16th due to their Strength of Schedule (SoS). They lose the tiebreaker against pretty much everybody. If they win a game they will be 16th-18th.
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I don't care if you like him as a player or not, drafting Harris was a huge mistake. Most people knew it at the time, but I think everyone can agree with that now.
It's not even that he's bad, but he's not worth a 1st round pick. They would have been infinitely better off sticking with Conner and finding a guy like Warren so that they didn't grind Conner into dust every year. Tomlin thinking he needs to have a feature back in 2023 is one of the many outdated philosophies that is failing this team.
It's not even that he's bad, but he's not worth a 1st round pick. They would have been infinitely better off sticking with Conner and finding a guy like Warren so that they didn't grind Conner into dust every year. Tomlin thinking he needs to have a feature back in 2023 is one of the many outdated philosophies that is failing this team.
But what about the top 5 pick the Commanders are going to give them for Tomlin?
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I do question whether we can revamp the OC without giving Tomlin an extension. Maybe Rooney just offers a 1-year extension and we see if that hurts Tomlin's pride enough for him to peace out.
Harris has lost carries because Warren has been great, not because he's been bad.
And I'm not particularly saying Harris has been great himself... but he's at least average. Most days he does work. Some days he does great work. I don't buy the idea he can't dovetail with this line as he's had too many good days for that to be true. To me, I think he's been a prime victim of offensive scheme stupidity and frequently awful OL play. Yeah, that Colts game should have been a cupcake, but the OL managed to lose that battle up front.
Yeah that highlight from the Colts is a stinker... but the idea he's not even a change of pace back just doesn't stand up. He does fine here. He'd probably have great stats behind an offensive line that regularly let him get up to speed rather than doing so a couple of games here and there.
Tbf, Tomlin has the two of them about 60-40, and I'd be willing to bet the most insistent voice on drafting Harris was Rooney given the public comments.
But yeah. Mistake.
And I'm not particularly saying Harris has been great himself... but he's at least average. Most days he does work. Some days he does great work. I don't buy the idea he can't dovetail with this line as he's had too many good days for that to be true. To me, I think he's been a prime victim of offensive scheme stupidity and frequently awful OL play. Yeah, that Colts game should have been a cupcake, but the OL managed to lose that battle up front.
Yeah that highlight from the Colts is a stinker... but the idea he's not even a change of pace back just doesn't stand up. He does fine here. He'd probably have great stats behind an offensive line that regularly let him get up to speed rather than doing so a couple of games here and there.
Tbf, Tomlin has the two of them about 60-40, and I'd be willing to bet the most insistent voice on drafting Harris was Rooney given the public comments.
But yeah. Mistake.
I don't understand what he's supposed to do there? If the guy has to dive to catch it you just let him do so? Why is there no responsibility on the QB and receiver for attempting a suicide pass? The receiver made himself almost horizontal, there is no "legal" target to hit him. I think your viewpoint comes from the NFL's extreme shift to favor offense. The receiver put himself in an extremely dangerous position diving towards a defender, if he wants to not get killed, don't throw the pass or don't dive for it.
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Yea that play rightfully earned him an ejection
But I don't think he's had a history of dirty play. The suspension thing I just don't get or understand
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I think the thing with Kazee is like Trouba in the NHL, he keeps throwing these kind of dirty/questionable hits that are injuring players and the league is finally coming down on him for it. I feel like that hit wasn't a 3 game suspension worthy hit, but rather a cumulation of all of the injuries that he has caused through his past hits that went unpunished.
This tweet actually says it's for repeated violations of unnecessary roughness, not technically this hit alone:
This tweet actually says it's for repeated violations of unnecessary roughness, not technically this hit alone:
If Kazee can't make that tackle on the shoulder or back then, yeah, he just lets him.
If a sport is serious about player safety, then it is drumming it into the players heads that if you can't make a safe tackle you don't make a tackle because we'll throw the rulebook at you. And yeah, players are going to ignore that in the heat of battle and there will still be injuries, but at least they'll be training to make safe tackles.
Is that real difficult when the WR lays himself out vertical? Yes. But that's an issue for the NFL rules committee and for DCs to have guys closer as they don't have to go for that hit but are in better position to contest the ball.
And the viewpoint comes from "don't give people brain damage". If the NFL wants to say "screw it, they're well paid enough, let's go wild" then fair enough... but they don't. So I don't. And yeah, the rulebook will end up favouring the attacker most times... but players can follow the rulebook or go home. Their choice. It's not like most collision sports don't have a number of rules on "just because they've put themselves in a vulnerable position it doesn't mean you get to try and kill them" already.
5 fines for unnecessary roughness this year. I can't remember what the others look like, btu the NFL clearly think he has a history and has let him know.
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Honestly I'd probably tune into this game over the Pro Bowl. Not gonna lie lol
I haven't tracked Kazee's other instances of Unnecessary Roughness penalties, but some of the other plays where I've seen the league throw out fines (after the fact) have been complete and utter jokes.
Think Warren even has one or two himself.
Think Warren even has one or two himself.
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I'm surprised it's that even TBH, but then it's just a mistake in the opposite direction. You used a first round pick to split carries with your undrafted RB.
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