OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Blamed Canada

[Mr Jiggyfly]

https://x.com/Blitz_Burgh/status/1736443041362149864?s=20

For those of you d riding yinzer Colbert.

Ya I’m gonna go with the idea the guy who was a master at building championship teams no longer wanted any part of working with the guy who just admitted his team lacks fundamentals and he has no clue what to do about it.

But ya f*** you Colbert for not firing Tomlin… oh wait.

 

[Snooki Stackhouse]

Honestly I'd probably tune into this game over the Pro Bowl. Not gonna lie lol

Going to be tough watching Troy Apke and Jason Seehorn try to cover Jerry Rice and Megatron though.

 

[Peat]

I'm surprised it's that even TBH, but then it's just a mistake in the opposite direction. You used a first round pick to split carries with your undrafted RB.

Eh. You can't anticipate getting a guy like Warren. It's a bit like getting mad at, I dunno, someone for buying a nice set of pots and pans just before they win another set in a raffle. You can't predict it. Not like they can't use both.

The problem, the mistake, is

a) Spending as much as they did for pots and pans
b) More crucially, spending that on pots and pans rather than fixing the damn stove (OL) to begin with

Pots and pans do you no use if the stove is bust.

It's also why I'm not going to excuse them taking a 1st round QB to take the heat off of a rookie QB. I mean, apart from the fact we didn't know we'd have a rookie QB next year when we took Harris, the OL is just so much more help. Ditto Muth, who's been better at his job than Harris but still hasn't taken the load off of our QBs like an OL pick there would have.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Going to be tough watching Troy Apke and Jason Seehorn try to cover Jerry Rice and Megatron though.

Would probably need Chuck Cecil to injure one of them.

Brady/Montana throwing to Largent and Alworth would be fun though.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Going to be tough watching Troy Apke and Jason Seehorn try to cover Jerry Rice and Megatron though.

I was going to make a joke about Harvin and the black team, but Reggie Roby was a good punter

Also, what was Rod Woodson's heritage?

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I was going to make a joke about Harvin and the black team, but Reggie Roby was a good punter

Also, what was Rod Woodson's heritage?

Woodson had a black dad and white mom… so maybe flip a coin for what team he plays on?

Same with Mahomes.

What about Hines Ward? He’s part black and part Asian.

Is he allowed to play or what?

What about Jim Thorpe, his mom was part Caucasian.

Gotta have some ground rules.

 

[Peat]

"Remember when Chuks Okorafor lost his starting job for good because he spoke too loudly near the end of a loss that he wouldn't mind kneeling this one out?"


From that DK article. Think that's the first I've seen someone say why.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Woodson had a black dad and white mom… so maybe flip a coin for what team he plays on?

Same with Mahomes.

What about Hines Ward? He’s part black and part Asian.

Is he allowed to play or what?

What about Jim Thorpe, his mom was part Caucasian.

Gotta have some ground rules.

Let's have a draft!

 

[JTG]

"Remember when Chuks Okorafor lost his starting job for good because he spoke too loudly near the end of a loss that he wouldn't mind kneeling this one out?"


From that DK article. Think that's the first I've seen someone say why.

The frustration around this team is palpable. I cannot remember it ever being like this. Everyone is frustrated and no one has any slight clue as to where to begin to fix it.

It sounds crazy, but you almost need to bring back the past here and have those guys around the team again. Make an effort to have the guys who were here and still want to be a part of football to be around the team as much as possible. I know that is something Belichick has done in NE.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

"Remember when Chuks Okorafor lost his starting job for good because he spoke too loudly near the end of a loss that he wouldn't mind kneeling this one out?"


From that DK article. Think that's the first I've seen someone say why.

I thought it was pretty well known why he got benched. He thought they should kneel it out because they were the same plays while trying to "come back"

Which is a major indictment of Tomlin that your #1 pick only got to play because the incumbent ran his mouth. Not due to substandard performance
You can't make this shit up

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Let's have a draft!

White dudes get Woodson? Black dudes get Mahomes?

Seems fair.

Now black dudes just need a place kicker.

They can have uh.. Gene Mingo or… ya.

 

[mynameisnick4]

I'd love to see them blow up this roster. This team isn't winning anything in the near future, why not get something for the few good players you do have?

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

White dudes get Woodson? Black dudes get Mahomes?

Seems fair.

Now black dudes just need a place kicker.

They can have uh.. Gene Mingo or… ya.

I kinda forgot about Mingo so I googled him.

Up came this article from Psychology Today, which was fairly interesting as related to this entire discussion:

The Curious Incident of the Black NFL Kicker

Black kickers have long been absent from the NFL. Why?

www.psychologytoday.com

 

[JTG]

I'd love to see them blow up this roster. This team isn't winning anything in the near future, why not get something for the few good players you do have?

I think they should hedge bets. Trade Tomlin, DJ, and Chuks this offseason. Bring in a new coach and OC. If it is still bad, trade the entire bunch. Have 2-3 drafts stocked full of capital.

Good news: We have a LT. Unfortunately for him.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I thought it was pretty well known why he got benched. He thought they should kneel it out because they were the same plays while trying to "come back"

Which is a major indictment of Tomlin that your #1 pick only got to play because the incumbent ran his mouth. Not due to substandard performance
You can't make this shit up

It a Steelers thing most rookies don’t start right away but chuks being the highest paid o line men should at least know where to line up when he is the extra o lineman

 

[Peat]

I thought it was pretty well known why he got benched. He thought they should kneel it out because they were the same plays while trying to "come back"

Which is a major indictment of Tomlin that your #1 pick only got to play because the incumbent ran his mouth. Not due to substandard performance
You can't make this shit up

I must have missed it. I only heard about the same plays thing.

And yes, the use of Jones this season has been absolutely wild.

The frustration around this team is palpable. I cannot remember it ever being like this. Everyone is frustrated and no one has any slight clue as to where to begin to fix it.

It sounds crazy, but you almost need to bring back the past here and have those guys around the team again. Make an effort to have the guys who were here and still want to be a part of football to be around the team as much as possible. I know that is something Belichick has done in NE.

The Pats aren't exactly a model to follow these days...

To me it's simple. You build a better team that can win games. Winning breeds culture. So forget about the culture and clear out the errant coaching, and get in better players, and start winning games and watch it happen. No amount of pep talks or reminders of high standards can get the job done if your game plan + talent is clearly inferior to their game plan + talent.

At best, somehow fixing the culture without improving the team just gets them back to being the NFL's best team at eking out unnecessarily tight victories over non-great teams. Short term it's more fun to see, but long term it's probably worse than just burning things down.

I think they should hedge bets. Trade Tomlin, DJ, and Chuks this offseason. Bring in a new coach and OC. If it is still bad, trade the entire bunch. Have 2-3 drafts stocked full of capital.

Good news: We have a LT. Unfortunately for him.

Agreed.

It's very easy for a strip it down to the studs rebuild to become the Browns or Lions for ages.

It's also very easy for three or four key appointments and acquisitions to turn things around super quick.

Also, unless I've missed something, there's not a whole bunch of trading in the NFL. Which puts a limit to how much you can trade away anyway.



edit: We seen TJ Watt talking about guys taking criticism personally and not wanting to train? Did he actually say that?

 

[mynameisnick4]

I think they should hedge bets. Trade Tomlin, DJ, and Chuks this offseason. Bring in a new coach and OC. If it is still bad, trade the entire bunch. Have 2-3 drafts stocked full of capital.

Good news: We have a LT. Unfortunately for him.

I'd go one step further and see what offers Watt would bring. He's got maybe 2-3 years left of his prime and has had injury problems in the past. The mentality on this between hockey and football has always been odd to me. In hockey in these situations, teams/fans are wanting and happy for their good player that gets traded off a bad team for a chance at winning. But if you bring up this scenario to Steelers fans, most would flip out.

 

[metalan2]

Kazee suspended for the season for a clean hit lol.

That's an absolute travesty.

 

[ChaosAgent]

It a Steelers thing most rookies don’t start right away but chuks being the highest paid o line men should at least know where to line up when he is the extra o lineman

Thanks for reminding me that Okorafor counts $14M against the cap for some reason.

Khan can't cut him soon enough.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

So Rudolph starting this weekend is probably the only changes Tomlin is talking about.
#FireTomlin

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I kinda forgot about Mingo so I googled him.

Up came this article from Psychology Today, which was fairly interesting as related to this entire discussion:

The Curious Incident of the Black NFL Kicker

Black kickers have long been absent from the NFL. Why?

www.psychologytoday.com

Ya I don’t think too many guys grow up wanting to be place kickers, but that’s just a gut feeling.

I got to know a former Steelers kicker through hockey and he just kind of fell into kicking by accident.

In regards to the article, black guys probably are faster but White Men Can’t Jump is racist!

I think… or wait he could dunk or what…

 

[Josey Wales]

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Thanks for reminding me that Okorafor counts $14M against the cap for some reason.

Khan can't cut him soon enough.

With how bad the o line play through out the league he will be traded for a day 3 pick instead of cut. His next team has to try him at lt he doesn’t stay engaged at RT

 

[bambamcam4ever]

If Kazee can't make that tackle on the shoulder or back then, yeah, he just lets him.

If a sport is serious about player safety, then it is drumming it into the players heads that if you can't make a safe tackle you don't make a tackle because we'll throw the rulebook at you. And yeah, players are going to ignore that in the heat of battle and there will still be injuries, but at least they'll be training to make safe tackles.

Is that real difficult when the WR lays himself out vertical? Yes. But that's an issue for the NFL rules committee and for DCs to have guys closer as they don't have to go for that hit but are in better position to contest the ball.

And the viewpoint comes from "don't give people brain damage". If the NFL wants to say "screw it, they're well paid enough, let's go wild" then fair enough... but they don't. So I don't. And yeah, the rulebook will end up favouring the attacker most times... but players can follow the rulebook or go home. Their choice. It's not like most collision sports don't have a number of rules on "just because they've put themselves in a vulnerable position it doesn't mean you get to try and kill them" already.



5 fines for unnecessary roughness this year. I can't remember what the others look like, btu the NFL clearly think he has a history and has let him know.

The NFL doesn't care about safety. At best they only care about if offensive skill position players can play week to week. And there are plenty of things they can do in favor of safety but choose not to, like padded helmets which come with the drawback of not looking quite as nice on TV. But they don't. The defenders are put in impossible situations. Aside from potentially reading the play sooner, there's nothing Kazee could do. Like imagine they both dive for the ball, the same result is going to happen.

 

[Ogrezilla]

I don't understand what he's supposed to do there? If the guy has to dive to catch it you just let him do so? Why is there no responsibility on the QB and receiver for attempting a suicide pass? The receiver made himself almost horizontal, there is no "legal" target to hit him. I think your viewpoint comes from the NFL's extreme shift to favor offense. The receiver put himself in an extremely dangerous position diving towards a defender, if he wants to not get killed, don't throw the pass or don't dive for it.

The thing is, you don’t need to hit him at all if he’s diving. Just touch him at all.