OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Blamed Canada

[bigdaddyk88]

Steeler fans have to live in an alternate universe where Tomlin is always right and we are “out of our minds” for wanting him gone.

Some of us have taken the red pill though, but AR2 is never going to break free from his simulation where Tomlin is the greatest coach of all time and just a tweak away from a SB.

Listening to DK he said TJ told him that the younger generation doesn’t respond to any criticism well faster said the wide receiver room doesn’t really respect their position coaches there’s no dominant leader in the whole line room. They both agree they need in new young offensive coaches, who can relate to the new generation and influence Tomlin’s message

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I fully expect cam to retire they will cut Robinson Mitch center trade chuks and moore and rebuild the lines

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I fully expect cam to retire they will cut Robinson Mitch center trade chuks and moore and rebuild the lines

Daniels played C in college. They should try that

Flip Jones to LT and Moore/Chuks can battle for the RT job

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Listening to DK he said TJ told him that the younger generation doesn’t respond to any criticism well faster said the wide receiver room doesn’t really respect their position coaches there’s no dominant leader in the whole line room. They both agree they need in new young offensive coaches, who can relate to the new generation and influence Tomlin’s message

Then you bench them.

Why should guys like DJ and GP stopped acting like five year olds when they don’t have repercussions that hurt their bottom line?

After 17 years, it’s time for Tomlin to move on.

It worked out very well for Reid and the Eagles.

I know it will never happen because of the Rooney Twilight Zone, but for those of us living in reality it’s quite plain to see.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Daniels played C in college. They should try that

Flip Jones to LT and Moore/Chuks can battle for the RT job

Chuks is not coming back that bridge is burned and moore they feel can’t play rt. Daniels doesn’t want to play c he struggled with it as a bear

Then you bench them.

Why should guys like DJ and GP stopped acting like five year olds when they don’t have repercussions that hurt their bottom line?

After 17 years, it’s time for Tomlin to move on.

It worked out very well for Reid and the Eagles.

I know it will never happen because of the Rooney Twilight Zone, but for those of us living in reality it’s quite plain to see.

What they will do is hire benemy to be the bzd cop oc like he was in kc and now in washington or kubiak and let one be the hc of the offense

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Chuks is not coming back that bridge is burned and moore they feel can’t play rt. Daniels doesn’t want to play c he struggled with it as a bear


What they will do is hire benemy to be the bzd cop oc like he was in kc and now in washington or kubiak and let one be the hc of the offense

Tomlin has never hired anyone but his cronies in 17 years of coaching, hence his non-existent coaching tree.

If you are suggesting AR2 will have the balls to take that power away from him and give it to Khan, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[JTG]

The best course of action would be to trade Tomlin. The actual course of action will be nothing changes except a new OC. Luckily, I feel very confident that it will be an outside hire.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Tomlin has never hired anyone but his cronies in 17 years of coaching, hence his non-existent coaching tree.

If you are suggesting AR2 will have the balls to take that power away from him and give it to Khan, I'll believe it when I see it.

I think it will be built into his extension fire the entire offensive staff and hire a proven offensive coordinator and let him fill out the staff and he will review KP and go from there

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I think it will be built into his extension fire the entire offensive staff and hire a proven offensive coordinator and let him fill out the staff and he will review KP and go from there

You could be right, and that is about the best we can hope for sadly.

AR2 resorting to this out of his fear of breaking tradition, is like putting a band-aid on a severed limb.

 

[Peat]

Daniels played C in college. They should try that

Flip Jones to LT and Moore/Chuks can battle for the RT job

Imo a huge amount of the OL's problems have come from having guys in the wrong positions for them. I'd really rather not continue doing so. Keep Daniels at G. Flush Chuks. Moore, I'm ambivalent about whether you keep him as a cheap experienced back-up at LT or see if you can trade him.

And replace the OL coach.

 

[JTG]

When it comes to Tomlin, I really do think his message is just worn out here. When he sat up in front of the media on Sunday and basically said, "I have no answers," that was a moment to remember, I think. It was both a moment of realization and admission that this is out of control.

He is in Andy Reid-Philly territory right now. I doubt our ownership will be proactive in ripping the bandaid off, but they should.

Imo a huge amount of the OL's problems have come from having guys in the wrong positions for them. I'd really rather not continue doing so. Keep Daniels at G. Flush Chuks. Moore, I'm ambivalent about whether you keep him as a cheap experienced back-up at LT or see if you can trade him.

And replace the OL coach.

Playing guys out of position seems like a Pittsburgh thing. It's so odd.

 

[The Old Master]

Imo a huge amount of the OL's problems have come from having guys in the wrong positions for them. I'd really rather not continue doing so. Keep Daniels at G. Flush Chuks. Moore, I'm ambivalent about whether you keep him as a cheap experienced back-up at LT or see if you can trade him.

And replace the OL coach.

the last should be first. that would give a fresh look on what needs to be done. imo

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

When it comes to Tomlin, I really do think his message is just worn out here. When he sat up in front of the media on Sunday and basically said, "I have no answers," that was a moment to remember, I think. It was both a moment of realization and admission that this is out of control.

He is in Andy Reid-Philly territory right now. I doubt our ownership will be proactive in ripping the bandaid off, but they should.



Playing guys out of position seems like a Pittsburgh thing. It's so odd.

Tomlin just talks out of his ass - if he believed any of what he said he would resign after the season.

Tomlin is so full of himself that he will think he can come back next year and fix this mess - and AR2 will be stupid enough to buy into it and waste yet another season full of mediocrity.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Someone mentioned this a few pages back but how do the Steelers attract a young proactive OC if Tomlin is only on a one year deal? Just doesn't seem like the kind of environment the person would want to be in. So at this point it feels like they extend Tomlin for at least another season or move on from him.

And another thing, the Young fresh OCs are probably going to get hired to replace the OCs that leave the teams to become head coaches or join their buddy who left to be HC to be the OC for them at the new team. At this point Carolina, Las Vegas, LA Chargers definitely need a new head coach. And it seems almost certain that New England, Washington will need new coaches. And lots of speculation around Chicago. And talk of Vrabel moving to NE if BB leaves, which would leave Tennessee.

All those teams, except Carolina will have far better QB situations than the Steelers.

In the end, it just feels like we will end up with a Jim Caldwell. e.g.

 

[T1K]

Kellen Moore is probably the best OC we could realistically get. He might end up sticking around with the Chargers, apparently Herbert has vouched for him.

He’s very inexperienced, but maybe Brian Griese will be in the OC conversation? He’s currently the QB Coach for the 49ers.

 

[Power Surge]

In the end, it just feels like we will end up with a Jim Caldwell. e.g.

And that brings up the other issue, Rooney.

Hire Jim Caldwell with intent to keep him for 20+ years lol.

 

[JTG]

Tomlin just talks out of his ass - if he believed any of what he said he would resign after the season.

Tomlin is so full of himself that he will think he can come back next year and fix this mess - and AR2 will be stupid enough to buy into it and waste yet another season full of mediocrity.

Someone mentioned this a few pages back but how do the Steelers attract a young proactive OC if Tomlin is only on a one year deal? Just doesn't seem like the kind of environment the person would want to be in. So at this point it feels like they extend Tomlin for at least another season or move on from him.

And another thing, the Young fresh OCs are probably going to get hired to replace the OCs that leave the teams to become head coaches or join their buddy who left to be HC to be the OC for them at the new team. At this point Carolina, Las Vegas, LA Chargers definitely need a new head coach. And it seems almost certain that New England, Washington will need new coaches. And lots of speculation around Chicago. And talk of Vrabel moving to NE if BB leaves, which would leave Tennessee.

All those teams, except Carolina will have far better QB situations than the Steelers.

In the end, it just feels like we will end up with a Jim Caldwell. e.g.

I think that's a good possibility and I don't think it moves the needle. Caldwell is 70 years old and has had health issues.

Tomlin needs to find an OC that brought the same energy he brought when he first became a coordinator. The thing is, with how Tomlin works, if he found a coordinator to match him, but is better at X's and O's, this could be a good coaching staff. Tomlin is atrocious at building a staff. It is where Weidl could be of massive assistance.

Weidl is the most important man in the organization right now. They need to be pulling from his coaching pool and taking his direction on draft picks. He has the recipe.

And that brings up the other issue, Rooney.

Hire Jim Caldwell with intent to keep him for 20+ years lol.

Yeah and when he keels over in the booth, Tomlin will just prop him up because he's the one calling the plays anyway.

 

[Power Surge]

I think that's a good possibility and I don't think it moves the needle. Caldwell is 70 years old and has had health issues.

Tomlin needs to find an OC that brought the same energy he brought when he first became a coordinator. The thing is, with how Tomlin works, if he found a coordinator to match him, but is better at X's and O's, this could be a good coaching staff. Tomlin is atrocious at building a staff. It is where Weidl could be of massive assistance.

Weidl is the most important man in the organization right now. They need to be pulling from his coaching pool and taking his direction on draft picks. He has the recipe.



Yeah and when he keels over in the booth, Tomlin will just prop him up because he's the one calling the plays anyway.

Some of us will be dead or close to it 20 years. Caldwell will definitely outlast some of us.

Rooney too with alzheimers in full gear.

 

[Josey Wales]

 

[JTG]

This team needs to have an influx of picks. The Pats have done this a bunch. The Eagles have done this a bunch - but when teams have a stockpile of picks, they can get aggressive with moving around and moving out of spots. I think it was when NE traded Jimmy G...they were parlaying picks out of that for a good 3 drafts. If someone wants to overpay to move up...great. If we want to overpay to move down to take a player we like...excellent. If we want to push picks into the future...that works too. It's just so many options where we don't have to overdraft or pay average guys ridiculous amounts of money. Also assists because when you have drafted players taking over for star players, you get the comp picks also. It's just such a better way to operate where you are never held to the fire or put in a position of weakness.

 

[JTG]

And another issue with Tomlin that I have always had is that he cannot get this team to buy in. He wasn't able to do it with Killer B era. He cannot do it now (hence the Minkah comment last week about players thinking that because they play for the Steelers they are guaranteed wins). Cowher had weaknesses. I didn't agree with him over a lot of what he did (prevent D to protect a lead mostly). But those teams were cohesive. The offense and defense were in lockstep with each other. It was one unified message. These Steelers teams the last 10 years are a collection of individuals wearing the same colors.

I have said it before, but the fact that a 2nd year player has enough balls to even speak up let alone act out shows how far this team has fallen.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Someone mentioned this a few pages back but how do the Steelers attract a young proactive OC if Tomlin is only on a one year deal? Just doesn't seem like the kind of environment the person would want to be in. So at this point it feels like they extend Tomlin for at least another season or move on from him.

And another thing, the Young fresh OCs are probably going to get hired to replace the OCs that leave the teams to become head coaches or join their buddy who left to be HC to be the OC for them at the new team. At this point Carolina, Las Vegas, LA Chargers definitely need a new head coach. And it seems almost certain that New England, Washington will need new coaches. And lots of speculation around Chicago. And talk of Vrabel moving to NE if BB leaves, which would leave Tennessee.

All those teams, except Carolina will have far better QB situations than the Steelers.

In the end, it just feels like we will end up with a Jim Caldwell. e.g.

Most top end OCs aren’t going to come to another team unless it’s as a coach.

They have to hire a young passing game coordinator from an effective modern system like Kubiak.

He had a year of experience as an OC, now he is with the 9ers and has learned their system.

 

[Peat]

the last should be first. that would give a fresh look on what needs to be done. imo

I dunno man. I seen the line play were under Meyer. I don't think I've seen Okorafar do more than be pleasingly anonymous. I don't think I've Cole shine all that much.

All of it needs done, but if I could only do one or two of those things, handing over more talent would be my move.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Most top end OCs aren’t going to come to another team unless it’s as a coach.

They have to hire a young passing game coordinator from an effective modern system like Kubiak.

He had a year of experience as an OC, now he is with the 9ers and has learned their system.

Agreed. I meant that the passing game coordinator or whatever they are doing for their current team will just be promoted to OC within their team if that teams OC was hired away as head coach or take a job as an OC with their buddy who left to be a new head coach.

The Steelers OC position has to be at the bottom of the league. When you combine the meddling of Tomlin and the crap set of QBs, crap O-line, arrogant mediocre Wide Receivers. It's just a shitshow.

Klint Kubiak type guys will stay put or go to some other team where they can have a far higher chance of success.