OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Steelers need a new ball thrower for the handball game thingy

[WheresRamziAbid]

Manning was really a stop gap who was 100 yrs old and Stafford is in his mid 30s.

I’m talking about getting a young franchise guy who can be around for 10+ years.

Watson was just traded, but that’s because he had like 20 sexual assault accusations agt him and he still cost a king’s ransom.

There aren’t any examples of young franchise QBs moving teams at a young age, again save Brees and his shoulder was basically the reason.

Teams never trade/let walk in FA any good young QBs that show promise of being a franchise guy.

Any young guy that is available in FA or via trade is a huge red flag, and it’s been proven again and again when a team gives up on a young QB, history overwhelmingly shows that he isn’t going to become a franchise QB.

Exactly.

2 studs in my lifetime have huge caveats:

Brees with the shoulder and Watson with the legal stuff.

A couple time good QB in their twilight moves. Brady, Manning, now Wilson but they also have a specific set of circumstances to become available at all.

The next best option are servicable stopgaps like Tannehill, Garapolo, Fitzpatrick (like 10 times now), maybe Mayfield if he get his shit together.

The rest … blah.

Im sure ive missed someone but overall, not great bob.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but do you want a franchise guy or do you want to win the SB?

For me, I'm Machiavellian so it doesn't matter- there's more than 1 way to skin a cat. There's some proof here that if you get a good enough team around an average or average plus QB you can make it work.

I think the Steelers should focus on getting a good team and if/when a QB becomes available FA/Trade/Draft then nab him.

There is this hellbent notion among fans and most disturbingly the front office: gotta get a QB, gotta get a QB, gotta get a QB

They really don't need to address it this year. They have Mitch and Mason. They could draft a guy in the later rounds and it'd be sufficient coverage for this season.

Timing is everything in life. They are trying to shoehorn a QB high and it's going to blow up in their faces. Mark it down.

Both.

The chances of winning a SB go up substantially when you have a franchise guy (I know that’s obvious but ya).

Of course they could make a big trade in the rare instance a guy like Watson or Russell becomes available.

However, now you give up major assets and have to pay these guys insane money. Kind of tough to build a good team when you trade away all those assets AND invest a massive portion of your cap to the new QB.

I don’t care if they get a QB this year, but I don’t want them ignoring the position for another ten years because they get tricked by the Trubiskys of the NFL.

I grew up in the 90s and saw first hand what happens when this team thinks it can skimp at the QB position.

In fact, it was going on in the 80s with shit trades like ppl are clamoring for here.

I was too young to remember Woodley - but he was a disaster and he’s the exact kind of QB ppl here would want without foresight.

“Let’s get Woodley! He got the Dolphins to the SB!”

 

[xlm34]

The quality of QBs that have been moved the last couple of years has been pretty unusual too if you want the team to go down that path. It may be the new thing with players forcing trades, but I wouldn’t bet the future on it.

Before last year, I think the biggest QB deals were for guys like Jay Cutler. And then weirdly Sam Bradford got traded a bunch of times for probably way more than he was worth.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Both.

The chances of winning a SB go up substantially when you have a franchise guy (I know that’s obvious but ya).

Of course they could make a big trade in the rare instance a guy like Watson or Russell becomes available.

However, now you give up major assets and have to pay these guys insane money. Kind of tough to build a good team when you trade away all those assets AND invest a massive portion of your cap to the new QB.

I don’t care if they get a QB this year, but I don’t want them ignoring the position for another ten years because they get tricked by the Trubiskys of the NFL.

I grew up in the 90s and saw first hand what happens when this team thinks it can skimp at the QB position.

In fact, it was going on in the 80s with shit trades like ppl are clamoring for here.

I was too young to remember Woodley - but he was a disaster and he’s the exact kind of QB ppl here would want without foresight.

“Let’s get Woodley! He got the Dolphins to the SB!”

And I'm not saying we should go back to the 80's purgatory of mediocre QB play.

But I do think this TEAM needs to get better and can save the QB for another day. Furthermore the chances of success will increase when/if we draft a rookie QB.

Do you think Ben R turns out how he did if he's on a team with a shitty Oline his first couple years?

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Well, well.

The Steelers have hired an assistant QB coach (a William & Mary grad

). Imagine that

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

The GOAT House

@GoatHouseNFL

2022 NFL Draft QB Prospect Wonderlic Scores Bailey Zappe: 35 Sam Howell: 34 Malik Willis: 32 Carson Strong: 22 Desmond Ridder: 19 Kenny Pickett: 17 Matt Corral: 15 per
@ThePoniExpress

1:18 PM · Apr 22, 2022·Twitter for iPhone

 

[Pens1566]

I'm fully on team "Don't draft a QB in the 1st, and by all means if you do don't let it be Pickett".

 

[Victor Z]

I'm fully on team "Don't draft a QB in the 1st, and by all means if you do don't let it be Pickett".

You misspelled "Willis" but otherwise I agree.

 

[Pens1566]

You misspelled "Willis" but otherwise I agree.

Opinion but Pickett terrifies me. Reeks of an "overager" that ran up uncharacteristically high #s against a really really down ACC. With little to no upside or any kind of high ceiling possible.

Willis, eh for all his warts, at least there's potential of something special there.

I don't want either though. I think a Corral/Howell in the 2nd is the best idea if they're dead set on a QB in the early rounds.

 

[Night Shift]

Well, well.

The Steelers have hired an assistant QB coach (a William & Mary grad

). Imagine that

Clowns clowns they're everywhere.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

I think Ridder is winning me over. Even though his biggest question mark is the thing it would be my number one priority.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Opinion but Pickett terrifies me. Reeks of an "overager" that ran up uncharacteristically high #s against a really really down ACC. With little to no upside or any kind of high ceiling possible.

Willis, eh for all his warts, at least there's potential of something special there.

I don't want either though. I think a Corral/Howell in the 2nd is the best idea if they're dead set on a QB in the early rounds.

Howell/Corral in the 2nd round is better than any QB in Rd 1.

This team will be set back at least 3 years if they take a QB w/ the first pick. I am adamant on this and hope to be wrong

 

[Night Shift]

I think Ridder is winning me over. Even though his biggest question mark is the thing it would be my number one priority.

It's would be so Clown.. that you have a QB that could have a nickname as the Riddler and his Jersey number would be ?

 

[The Old Master]

I think Ridder is winning me over. Even though his biggest question mark is the thing it would be my number one priority.

that's called desperation! Quickly start running in the other direction.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

From ESPN

Biggest need: Wide receiver

The Steelers have a reputation for drafting quality wideouts, but that has taken a hit of late, perhaps due to the collapse in effectiveness of the now-retired Ben Roethlisberger. JuJu Smith-Schuster has departed in free agency, leaving a hole in the slot. Diontae Johnson had a good rebound season after a miserable 2020, but Chase Claypool regressed badly from a promising rookie year.

Right now, the starting slot receiver is slated to be Anthony Miller, cast off from multiple teams in the past year. Pittsburgh will probably draft a pair of receivers in a deep draft, and with the lack of both talent and depth on the roster, they will be needed.

Prospects who might fit: Jahan Dotson, Drake London, Skyy Moore

Quiet need: Defensive line

Despite the high quality of Pittsburgh's pass rush (first in the NFL in sacks in 2021), the state of the defensive front three is surprisingly shaky. Cam Heyward is a stalwart, but Stephon Tuitt (entering his age-29 season) and Tyson Alualu (age-35 season) are being counted on to return after a year on the sidelines. Even with their returns, the depth and long-term outlook of the defensive front need fortification.

Prospects who might fit: Devonte Wyatt, Cameron Thomas, Phidarian Mathis


Not a need: Edge rusher

Between Watt, Heyward and Alex Highsmith (48 pressures), the Steelers can get after the passer. It is perhaps the lone area the team can rely on entering the 2022 season. Granted, there was some falloff last year. After finishing first in adjusted sack rate an amazing four years in a row, the Steelers dropped last season -- all the way to second.

 

[OnMyOwn]

I guess the drops are what they mean by miserable, cuz DJ had 88 catches and over 900 yards in a “miserable” year.

I agree WR is a priority, though.

 

[Night Shift]

I think The Riddler is winning me over. Even though his biggest question mark is the thing it would be my number one priority.

Somehow I missed this

 

[Pens1566]

I guess the drops are what they mean by miserable, cuz DJ had 88 catches and over 900 yards in a “miserable” year.

I agree WR is a priority, though.

Yeah but London, Williams or one of the 2 OSU guys are the only ones I'd pick in the first. And I don't think any of them make it to 20.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

And I'm not saying we should go back to the 80's purgatory of mediocre QB play.

But I do think this TEAM needs to get better and can save the QB for another day. Furthermore the chances of success will increase when/if we draft a rookie QB.

Do you think Ben R turns out how he did if he's on a team with a shitty Oline his first couple years?

Ben was running for his life most of the early part of his career - over 250 sacks his first 6 years.

Part of that was him holding the ball to make plays, but he was winning with some shoddy pass blocking for years.

I get the overall point, but a quality org that does their homework can fix an o-line quickly when they have cap space (which a rookie QB allows for).

I honestly don’t care if they pass on QB this year, as I’ve already said only KP is really worth taking a shot on IMHO.

I just know the guys coming up next year aren’t the can’t miss gotta wait for them crop ppl keep telling themselves.

There is really only one legit guy IMHO, then a curse of Ohio State QB in Stroud and a bunch of Ho-hums with the same warts.

Some guys will emerge next season we didn’t expect, but I’m not seeing how ppl think next year is some banner crop they need to hold out for.

 

[Coastal Kev]

I keep hearing people pimping Jordan Davis.

Does anyone watch the actual player or do they just regurgitate what they hear?

Dude is not a 3-4 NT.

what in the hell is going on?

 

[ChaosAgent]

I keep hearing people pimping Jordan Davis.

Does anyone watch the actual player or do they just regurgitate what they hear?

Dude is not a 3-4 NT.

what in the hell is going on?

I don't know how much I value a traditional 3-4 NT at this point. Just get big physical DL that can occupy space and blockers. If he is that, I don't care how fat he is or not. We spend so much time in non-base defenses anyway.

 

[MayorofWBS]

1. For the love of god, please no trading up. We have lots of holes and can't be wasting draft capital on this questionable QB class.
2. I'm not totally against taking a QB in the first but we don't have to force it. We have plenty of other holes to fix. It isn't like we are a new QB from being something special. It could wait to next draft when there is a better than 50-50 chance that we will be picking higher.
3. My preference is to actually trade down and get more draft capital but I can't see that happening. We need some serious help with both lines (OL just isn't all that good and DL is old). Safety? Wide receiver?

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Its going to be Willis isnt it?

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Anti-QB but someone from this class probably ends up a quality starter or more. So if you pick one it better f***ing be that guy

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I keep hearing people pimping Jordan Davis.

Does anyone watch the actual player or do they just regurgitate what they hear?

Dude is not a 3-4 NT.

what in the hell is going on?

Then you should be happy that most reputable mock drafts have him being taken by the Ravens at 14. Thus when he is stuffing the Steelers you can complain that the Steelers didn't draft him.