OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Steelers need a new ball thrower for the handball game thingy

[Coastal Kev]

Then you should be happy that most reputable mock drafts have him being taken by the Ravens at 14. Thus when he is stuffing the Steelers you can complain that the Steelers didn't draft him.

He could be an end with them, but he'll have to slim down.

 

[Pens1566]

Then you should be happy that most reputable mock drafts have him being taken by the Ravens at 14. Thus when he is stuffing the Steelers you can complain that the Steelers didn't draft him.

Concern with Davis is with teams running him into the ground with the no huddle.

Dude is a freak, and will probably be substantial contributor wherever he goes.

 

[Peat]

Anti-QB but someone from this class probably ends up a quality starter or more. So if you pick one it better f***ing be that guy

And please don't trade up to do it either. Although I guess it's okay if they do get the quality starter.


Man, this whole thread has been nothing but people who don't really want them to take a QB arguing with people who just don't want them to take a QB for about 40 pages now, so... here's hoping we're all wrong?

 

[Coastal Kev]

Concern with Davis is with teams running him into the ground with the no huddle.

Dude is a freak, and will probably be substantial contributor wherever he goes.

His tape reminds me a lot of the year we took Jarvis Jones. When I went and looked at Jarvis's highlights, mostly he made big plays due to breakdowns and being unblocked. But the guy that actually stood out on the same highlight was Ogletree, who was consistently going through blockers to blow up the play.

Jordan Davis, for as big as he was, does not rely on his size and strength to push through the line. So many times he gets engaged with a smaller blocker, he stays engaged.

What the scouts see is a very big man that's light on his feet. They figure they can coach him to go through people. Maybe they will, but it's not a guarantee.

 

[Coastal Kev]

The guy I like, make him an end. This dude is mean and goes through people.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

They don't need an end. They need someone who can stop the run.

For all the talk about 2-down or 3-down players, if the other team can just run it down your throat and you never make it to obvious passing downs that is a problem. They didn't address the DL in free agency so they need to do it early in this draft.

Same with WR.

 

[Coastal Kev]

They don't need an end. They need someone who can stop the run.

For all the talk about 2-down or 3-down players, if the other team can just run it down your throat and you never make it to obvious passing downs that is a problem. They didn't address the DL in free agency so they need to do it early in this draft.

Same with WR.

You don't need to reach for an NT either. Get your QB or WR early in the first 2 rounds, then go DL

 

[Andy99]

And please don't trade up to do it either. Although I guess it's okay if they do get the quality starter.


Man, this whole thread has been nothing but people who don't really want them to take a QB arguing with people who just don't want them to take a QB for about 40 pages now, so... here's hoping we're all wrong?

We’re not wrong unfortunately…Steelers are so transparent with their desires..just like you could see Najee last year coming a mile away…terrible poker players lol

 

[Peat]

We’re not wrong unfortunately…Steelers are so transparent with their desires..just like you could see Najee last year coming a mile away…terrible poker players lol

Oh, I'm not talking about being wrong about them taking one. I like to hope for realistic things.

I'm talking about being wrong that whoever they take won't be good enough. Because, y'know, that's very realistic...

 

[Coastal Kev]

And please don't trade up to do it either. Although I guess it's okay if they do get the quality starter.


Man, this whole thread has been nothing but people who don't really want them to take a QB arguing with people who just don't want them to take a QB for about 40 pages now, so... here's hoping we're all wrong?

I always maintain that you take the best player. When you draft to fill a certain need, you tend to reach. See Artie Burns, Troy Edwards, Jarvis Jones.......ect. Hell you could go back to Gabe Rivera over Marino as an example.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Pittsburgh's quarterback intentions have been all over the map (welcome to draft season). Some believe they like Willis, others say Kenny Pickett(Pitt) would be their guy, but the majority leans toward Pittsburgh going with a different "need" position at No. 20, such as defensive or offensive line or corner.

"I don't know, they've done a ton of work on the QBs," one NFC exec said. "Feels like they will take one."

From an ESPN Insider article this morning.

Pretty obvious they want a QB IMHO, but enough to trade up - who knows.

Not sure if I’m comfortable with them moving up… maybe 7-8 spots and giving up a second for KP.

That’s about it for me.

KP has the attributes I want in a QB, but my theory is if they jump up to get him, they would know better than any team in the league about the guy.

Have to see what Carolina does. Lots of smoke with them and KP… latest rumors are they may move back or could take an OT if one of the big three is still there.

If one of those OTs slip past ten, Steelers should make a big move and grab him. Guys like that are impossible to find and are the most important position after QB.

 

[Coastal Kev]

What's kinda interesting is that this should be a wild first round. Anything and everything could happen tomorrow night.

 

[xlm34]

Man I may try to become a draft insider next year. “Sources tell me Team X may draft this position, but it’s also possible they draft a different position.”

Right now the betting odds have the top 3 being Walker to the Jags, Hutchinson to the Lions, and Stingley to the Texans. If that’s the case I definitely think the Panthers will go OL.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Man I may try to become a draft insider next year. “Sources tell me Team X may draft this position, but it’s also possible they draft a different position.”

Right now the betting odds have the top 3 being Walker to the Jags, Hutchinson to the Lions, and Stingley to the Texans. If that’s the case I definitely think the Panthers will go OL.

These experts never get anything right. But this year, they have no chance of even being close with anything. This first round is a wide open as I can remember.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

We’re not wrong unfortunately…Steelers are so transparent with their desires..just like you could see Najee last year coming a mile away…terrible poker players lol

They also announced their pick within 2 minutes of being on the clock. It's always a rush to the podium. Like why not sit tight for another 5 mins to see if another team comes with an offer?

 

[The Old Master]

I always maintain that you take the best player. When you draft to fill a certain need, you tend to reach. See Artie Burns, Troy Edwards, Jarvis Jones.......ect. Hell you could go back to Gabe Rivera over Marino as an example.

from the rankings that i have seen (not mock drafts) none of the qb's are ranked higher than where we draft. so it would be far less of a reach for us to pick one than all the teams above us. that is of course, if they are still there.

 

[The Old Master]

They also announced their pick within 2 minutes of being on the clock. It's always a rush to the podium. Like why not sit tight for another 5 mins to see if another team comes with an offer?

most of that is already decided. they have feelers out way before they get to that point.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I would be extremely irritated if they traded up for Pickett because he's a late 1st/early 2nd round caliber talent in a draft starved for QB talent. Willis is the guy they should be trading up for if they're going to trade up, and I certainly would rather not spend a ton to do that. If you need to trade up a few spots to jump New Orleans, that's fine, but don't jump into the top-10 and likely trade your 1st next year to do that.

If both are available at 20, I'd mostly be indifferent on who they take. Mock drafts this year are all over the map, so I've seen Pickett fall anywhere between #6 overall and the middle of the 2nd round and Willis usually in the #10 to #30 range. I like Pickett because he was good at Pitt and I think knowing that a guy can be good in the Pittsburgh climate is a big positive to have, but I think Pickett's upside is generally lower than Willis' upside.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

They also announced their pick within 2 minutes of being on the clock. It's always a rush to the podium. Like why not sit tight for another 5 mins to see if another team comes with an offer?

Trades are all takes about way a head of time. You know who wants to trade up and down before the draft

 

[bigdaddyk88]

If Pickett didn’t go to Pitt people wouldn’t want him. His college numbers are worse than Mason to old to sit behind Mitch.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Hoping they go BPA of WR OL DL DB position groups.

My not completely asinine but still unlikely dream scenario is Wilson from OSU.

 

[Empoleon8771]

If Pickett didn’t go to Pitt people wouldn’t want him. His college numbers are worse than Mason to old to sit behind Mitch.

Pickett is a substantially better prospect right now than Rudolph was when he was getting drafted. That's why Rudolph was a mid 3rd rounder while Pickett has been suggested as a top-10 pick.

Pickett's mobility is way better than Rudolph's and Pickett doesn't have a noodle arm like Rudolph does.

 

[Peat]

If Pickett didn’t go to Pitt people wouldn’t want him. His college numbers are worse than Mason to old to sit behind Mitch.

Genuine question - how reliable a guide to performance are college numbers? Because I've seen plenty of higher scoring NHL prospects fall behind guys with better skillsets, but I don't know where it is here.

 

[Pens1566]

Genuine question - how reliable a guide to performance are college numbers? Because I've seen plenty of higher scoring NHL prospects fall behind guys with better skillsets, but I don't know where it is here.

Crap shoot. Pickett's #s were ... underwhelming until this year. Systems get called into question, competition ... it's all over the place.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Legitimately my main issue with Pickett was all the running out of clean pockets. That may indicate that he has an issue processing the game, regardless of how great he was this year.