OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Steelers need a new ball thrower for the handball game thingy

[bigdaddyk88]

The coaching staff and the front office skipped Ohio State‘s pro day to go watch a quarterback. For the last 18 years they were all in Columbus every single time. When Colbert said they would bring in two quarterbacks I’m sure that was a plan and not just a statement. Trubisky is only part one

Yeah they always go with 4 QB in camp. If they don’t draft one they will bring in a udfa to compete with Haskins.

 

[T1K]

The coaching staff and the front office skipped Ohio State‘s pro day to go watch a quarterback. For the last 18 years they were all in Columbus every single time. When Colbert said they would bring in two quarterbacks I’m sure that was a plan and not just a statement. Trubisky is only part one

I’m glad they’re doing their due diligence on all the 1st round QBs. Sam Howell/Desmond Ridder should be available at pick #20. They’re most likely running under the assumption that Willis, Pickett, and Corral will require us to trade up.

I’ve seen some rumors suggesting Detroit may take Willis at #2 overall. I like his potential, but he’s not worth trading up for the 1st overall pick. If Willis is available when ATL is picking, they’ll take him. Pickett has connections to Carolina, feels like that’s their guy. Corral is the wild card, it would be tough for him to fall to us, but it’s in the range of outcomes. I think Howell is our guy.

 

[Coastal Kev]

By Barry Wilner. • Published March 29, 2022
Beginning this season, all 32 clubs must employ a woman or a member of an ethnic or racial minority to serve as an offensive assistant coach. The person will receive a one-year contract and work closely with the head coach and offensive staff to gain experience.

Politics in sports sucks

 

[Al Smith]

Just out of curiosity, with the number of assistants NFL teams have, I wonder how many teams don’t already meet this requirement.

Edit: the league is paying for the positions for two years so the funding doesn’t come directly out of the teams’ pockets. If figured this was ultimately the owners agreeing to something that was largely ceremony and PR.

 

[StIvany4Norris]

By Barry Wilner. • Published March 29, 2022
Beginning this season, all 32 clubs must employ a woman or a member of an ethnic or racial minority to serve as an offensive assistant coach. The person will receive a one-year contract and work closely with the head coach and offensive staff to gain experience.

Politics in sports sucks

Sure, but representation also matters

Way bigger issue that it has to even be put in writing because there are organizations that aren't already meeting the criteria when the ask is just hiring one (1) person that isn't a white dude

 

[lastcupever75]

edit

point already discussed

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Was supposed to be a question. Punctuation issues.

I’m going to draw a distinction between a QB who is best at running vs the best QB for whom running is a significant part of their game.

Vick et Al may have been been QBs who were better at running than Tarkenton, but none of Vick, Cunningham, Young have the combined passing/rushing yards that Tarkenton has just in passing.

When he retired, Tarkenton he’d career records for completions, yards and touchdowns, in addition to being the career rushing yards by QB record holder.

It’s a fruitless ‘debate,’ so I’ll leave it there. Indeed, I wasn’t even making the case for Tarkenton as ‘the best ever’ at anything, merely saying any discussion of all-time running QBs should at least include his name.

I think FT was clearly a better QB… not the history buff of the game I was in my younger days, but pretty sure he went to 4 SB… unfortunately never won one, but still an impressive feat.

Just in terms of being a running QB, he’s outside the top 5 all time IMHO.

Jackson alone is like one yard short of FT all time rushing stats in 200 less games or so.

FT is not even in the top five for all time rushing yards or even YPC.

But again this is about running prowess… I’d take FT in a must win game over the running QBs I have ahead of him.

If that makes sense…

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

you also need to take into consideration that there wasn't a "protect the qb" rule back then. if they both played by the same rules there would be a lot less running by the qb's now.

I doubt it would make a significant difference. These guys made/make a living with their legs and wouldn’t likely have been/be in in the league for long if they relied on their arms over their legs.

I wouldn’t classify any of the top all time running QBs as cowardly in any sense of the word either so, getting messed up wouldn’t scare them off.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I think FT was clearly a better QB… not the history buff of the game I was in my younger days, but pretty sure he went to 4 SB… unfortunately never won one, but still an impressive feat.

Just in terms of being a running QB, he’s outside the top 5 all time IMHO.

Jackson alone is like one yard short of FT all time rushing stats in 200 less games or so.

FT is not even in the top five for all time rushing yards or even YPC.

But again this is about running prowess… I’d take FT in a must win game over the running QBs I have ahead of him.

If that makes sense…

Right. I think we’re both among the distinction I tried to make above, between how good a QB is at running vs how good a QB who runs is. I wasn’t sure the discussion was specifically about running prowess.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Right. I think we’re both among the distinction I tried to make above, between how good a QB is at running vs how good a QB who runs is. I wasn’t sure the discussion was specifically about running prowess.

There is a pretty distinctive line of success in there throughout the history of the league between:

- guys that scramble, which to me is a QB that runs around trying to buy time for his receivers to get open.

Vs

- running QBs. These guys are freak athletes that usually take off at the first sign of trouble and they get up field quickly as rushers.

Steve Young, McNair, Elway, FT, McNabb, Culpepper, etc come to mind as scramblers.

Jackson, Vick, Cunningham, Stewart etc are/were running QBs.

The latter groups lack of playoff success and lack of SB appearances has me quite concerned about Willis (which is how this topic started).

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

There is a pretty distinctive line of success in there throughout the history of the league between:

- guys that scramble, which to me is a QB that runs around trying to buy time for his receivers to get open.

Vs

- running QBs. These guys are freak athletes that usually take off at the first sign of trouble and they get up field quickly as rushers.

Steve Young, McNair, Elway, FT, McNabb, Culpepper, etc come to mind as scramblers.

Jackson, Vick, Cunningham, Stewart etc are/were running QBs.

The latter groups lack of playoff success and lack of SB appearances has me quite concerned about Willis (which is how this topic started).

Haha well done.

 

[JTG]

Who are the top 5 post-1st round prospects that you like? I'll start -

NT - Travis Jones
TE - Trey McBride
OG/C - Cole Strange
MLB - Leo Chenal
CB - Jalen Pitre

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I doubt it would make a significant difference. These guys made/make a living with their legs and wouldn’t likely have been/be in in the league for long if they relied on their arms over their legs.

I wouldn’t classify any of the top all time running QBs as cowardly in any sense of the word either so, getting messed up wouldn’t scare them off.

Slightly veering off topic, but I don't think you can undersell just how tough some of the QB's back then were

If you read some of the books that Parcells and Buddy Ryan wrote- they outright say that if they didn't win the game, their intention was to pound the shit out of the opposing QB to send a message for their next meeting

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I don't mean to butt in here, but I was curious as to whether or not you all have a sense that the Steelers will take a QB in the 1st round. From an outsider perspective there's clearly a huge need at the position because Trubisky is almost certainly a stopgap option, but OL is a huge need and there should be some good options at their pick. What do you all think?

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I don't mean to butt in here, but I was curious as to whether or not you all have a sense that the Steelers will take a QB in the 1st round. From an outsider perspective there's clearly a huge need at the position because Trubisky is almost certainly a stopgap option, but OL is a huge need and there should be some good options at their pick. What do you all think?

Depends on who’s available and who they like. I know that sounds like a cop out answer but I think they will draft a QB if someone they like is there and will wait if they think they can. So far, Willis seems to have the most juice as far as who they might like but chances are he’s not available then so I would say they won’t draft a QB in round 1 just to draft a QB

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Depends on who’s available and who they like. I know that sounds like a cop out answer but I think they will draft a QB if someone they like is there and will wait if they think they can. So far, Willis seems to have the most juice as far as who they might like but chances are he’s not available then so I would say they won’t draft a QB in round 1 just to draft a QB

Thanks. I didn't watch much college football this year but I'm not a huge fan of any of the QB's that I did see. There seems to me more available on the OL front and that's an obvious major need for the Steelers so that should work out fine.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I don't mean to butt in here, but I was curious as to whether or not you all have a sense that the Steelers will take a QB in the 1st round. From an outsider perspective there's clearly a huge need at the position because Trubisky is almost certainly a stopgap option, but OL is a huge need and there should be some good options at their pick. What do you all think?

Rumor is that Tomlin is in love with Willis
Also the fact that the Front office has been in attendance for many of the top QB's workouts. They usually send someone to attend, but it's basically been the entire front office which is outside the norm.

Gun to my head, yes the Steelers reach and grab a QB round 1

What they SHOULD do is take a Dline (provided there isn't a run on them before their pick)

 

[pistolpete11]

Thanks. I didn't watch much college football this year but I'm not a huge fan of any of the QB's that I did see. There seems to me more available on the OL front and that's an obvious major need for the Steelers so that should work out fine.

OL is less of an urgent need with their FA signings. They could still use an upgrade, so it wouldn't shock me if they took one, but they need a lot. OL, QB, WR, DL, CB, S (unless they sign Edmunds or * fingers crossed * Mathieu). This year more than any other should be best player available for the Steelers.

 

[Peat]

I don't mean to butt in here, but I was curious as to whether or not you all have a sense that the Steelers will take a QB in the 1st round. From an outsider perspective there's clearly a huge need at the position because Trubisky is almost certainly a stopgap option, but OL is a huge need and there should be some good options at their pick. What do you all think?

Given how many QBs practice days Tomlin's gone to visit I'm braced for it to happen. Beat writers seem to think they won't move up, but it feels like they hope they get someone falling.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Rumor is that Tomlin is in love with Willis
Also the fact that the Front office has been in attendance for many of the top QB's workouts. They usually send someone to attend, but it's basically been the entire front office which is outside the norm.

Gun to my head, yes the Steelers reach and grab a QB round 1

What they SHOULD do is take a Dline (provided there isn't a run on them before their pick)

If they take Willis I'd have to think they'd want him to sit this year, but honestly they should do that with any of the QB's, I don't think any of them are ready for an AFC North schedule right now.

OL is less of an urgent need with their FA signings. They could still use an upgrade, so it wouldn't shock me if they took one, but they need a lot. OL, QB, WR, DL, CB, S (unless they sign Edmunds or * fingers crossed * Mathieu). This year more than any other should be best player available for the Steelers.

I'm a Bengals fan. I literally think it's completely impossible to have too many good offensive linemen.

I wonder if the Steelers entertain trading down, given their needs. Obviously if they're going QB they're not trading down though.

Mathieu and Minka would be a nasty combo in the secondary.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Given how many QBs practice days Tomlin's gone to visit I'm braced for it to happen. Beat writers seem to think they won't move up, but it feels like they hope they get someone falling.

QB's always seem to go higher than their grade.

 

[xlm34]

If they take Willis I'd have to think they'd want him to sit this year, but honestly they should do that with any of the QB's, I don't think any of them are ready for an AFC North schedule right now.

I'm a Bengals fan. I literally think it's completely impossible to have too many good offensive linemen.

I wonder if the Steelers entertain trading down, given their needs. Obviously if they're going QB they're not trading down though.

Mathieu and Minka would be a nasty combo in the secondary.

I think a lot of people would like them to trade down, but it’s just not something that Kevin Colbert does. I think it’s happened once in his entire tenure as GM.

I think right now, in order of likelihood, they’re looking at staying put and drafting QB, DB, or DL. If Willis drops to the teens, I think they’ll start making calls to move up though.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I think a lot of people would like them to trade down, but it’s just not something that Kevin Colbert does. I think it’s happened once in his entire tenure as GM.

I think right now, in order of likelihood, they’re looking at staying put and drafting QB, DB, or DL. If Willis drops to the teens, I think they’ll start making calls to move up though.

It's just so weird to me to think of the Pittsburgh Steelers as being needy at DB and DL. It just feels...wrong?

Thanks to everyone for the responses.

 

[Peat]

QB's always seem to go higher than their grade.

Death and taxes level for sure.

The one thing I do like about taking a QB this year is it'll be easy to let them sit and develop, and while we will have a bunch of holes to plug, realistically using that first rounder elsewhere isn't going to turn us into contenders. Just as long as they don't pass over good players for a meh QB who never really had a chance.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I think a lot of people would like them to trade down, but it’s just not something that Kevin Colbert does. I think it’s happened once in his entire tenure as GM.

I think right now, in order of likelihood, they’re looking at staying put and drafting QB, DB, or DL. If Willis drops to the teens, I think they’ll start making calls to move up though.

Casey Hampton was the only time they've traded down.

I'm on record as saying I don't think any of the QB's are worth a 1st round pick
Next years class is a different story

Rebuild the Oline and Dline. Then get your QB