OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Steelers need a new ball thrower for the handball game thingy

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Lambert’s threshold for toughness is much higher than most. Keep in mind this quote would have been questioning their toughness given the rules for hitting the QB that existed when he made the comment. They are even more restrictive now. Imagine how Lambert must think of today’s QBs, if he were to decide to care.

I have no real affinity for Lambert as he was before my time, but I’d like to see how tough he was being the biggest target in the stadium every game.

No player on the field is more vulnerable than a QB… he has to stand his ground with his eyes down the field, while 300 pound freaks try to kill him.

Today’s QBs have the modern day freak athletes that shouldn’t be that big, fast and strong smashing into them on a majority of the times they have the ball.

All that said, Jackson is the only one to play under the new rules anyway.

All the other modern QBs we have discussed here had open season on their heads and knees… so again, I am 100% sure they wouldn’t have been scared of slow, 225 LBs like Lambert, despite the missing teeth and mouth frothing.

And imagine telling a QB today Lambert thinks he is a sissy man, but dude retired because of turf toe. Not that I’m picking on Lambert here, but when you say stupid shit…

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I have no real affinity for Lambert as he was before my time, but I’d like to see how tough he was being the biggest target in the stadium every game.

No player on the field is more vulnerable than a QB… he has to stand his ground with his eyes down the field, while 300 pound freaks try to kill him.

Today’s QBs have the modern day freak athletes that shouldn’t be that big, fast and strong smashing into them on a majority of the times they have the ball.

All that said, Jackson is the only one to play under the new rules anyway.

All the other modern QBs we have discussed here had open season on their heads and knees… so again, I am 100% sure they wouldn’t have been scared of slow, 225 LBs like Lambert, despite the missing teeth and mouth frothing.

And imagine telling a QB today Lambert thinks he is a sissy man, but dude retired because of turf toe. Not that I’m picking on Lambert here, but when you say stupid shit…

He was before your time and thus probably not that good. I can’t contend with that. If you want to think the NFL films narration is what created his legacy instead of the other way around, that’s your right.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

He was before your time and this probably not that good. I can’t contend with that. If you want to think the NFL films narration is what created his legacy instead of the other way around, that’s your right.

He was also before my time, but I read enough about him to know that people were more scared of him than Mean Joe.

Guys like Lambert are just pure football players. I've played with similar looking dudes who look scrawny, but were 1 of the hardest hitting guys I've ever experienced because they know how to use their leverage and anticipation to deliver devastating hits.

Size isn't everything in sports. It helps certainly but not the end all/be all

 

[The Old Master]

He was also before my time, but I read enough about him to know that people were more scared of him than Mean Joe.

Guys like Lambert are just pure football players. I've played with similar looking dudes who look scrawny, but were 1 of the hardest hitting guys I've ever experienced because they know how to use their leverage and anticipation to deliver devastating hits.

Size isn't everything in sports. It helps certainly but not the end all/be all

he wasn't before my time and he was everything you've read about him.

 

[DanielPlainview]

We’ve seen this sort of overhyping by agents + media of mediocre QBs to take advantage of team needs before. All of these guys are more likely to be Christian Ponder than anything

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

We’ve seen this sort of overhyping by agents + media of mediocre QBs to take advantage of team needs before. All of these guys are more likely to be Christian Ponder than anything

I think it’s mostly that teams who want/need QB can’t help themselves and are afraid to wait when they are drafting in the early-ish first round. I don’t understand it - I’m sure they have some sort of universal system of rating players that doesn’t just compare them to the draft class but then the draft comes and teams go get a guy who they should have known better.

Thus draft has that feel to it. On the other hand, if your scouts like a guy and have his well-scored in whatever universal system you use, then you take a guy.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I think it’s mostly that teams who want/need QB can’t help themselves and are afraid to wait when they are drafting in the early-ish first round. I don’t understand it - I’m sure they have some sort of universal system of rating players that doesn’t just compare them to the draft class but then the draft comes and teams go get a guy who they should have known better.

Thus draft has that feel to it. On the other hand, if your scouts like a guy and have his well-scored in whatever universal system you use, then you take a guy.

It's a terrible cycle: bad teams end up with bad records because they have bad QB's.

One of the following usually happens:

1. They take a new QB, endure his struggles for 2-4 years and he develops bad habits due to being in a poor offense (or 1 that doesn't cater to him).
2. The organization itself is toxic and that guy is forever scarred
3. He's just a flat out bad player that was never going to amount to anything regardless of the environment

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

He was before your time and thus probably not that good. I can’t contend with that. If you want to think the NFL films narration is what created his legacy instead of the other way around, that’s your right.

Like I said earlier, I was an intensive freak of the game in my youth and watched countless old games on VHS.

So I’m quite aware of what Lambert was like and he was an undersized, slow LB. He just had great instincts for the game ala Zach Thomas.

No QB in the modern era would be scared of him. Lambert wouldn’t be catching Vick, Jackson etc when todays modern freak athletes can’t/couldn’t.

It’s just silliness pretending guys back then were so much tougher and more manly men than the guys today.

Good luck telling Debo he’s not as intimidating as Jack Lambert was.

That’s Boomer thinking like my daughter loves to say .

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Ballsy move inviting Kap to anything. Wonder what the reaction of the crowd will be

Kap honorary captain for Michigan spring game

Ex-NFL QB Colin Kaepernick named honorary captain for Michigan's Maize and Blue spring game.

www.espn.com

 

[The Old Master]

Ballsy move inviting Kap to anything. Wonder what the reaction of the crowd will be

Kap honorary captain for Michigan spring game

Ex-NFL QB Colin Kaepernick named honorary captain for Michigan's Maize and Blue spring game.

www.espn.com

more like a brain dead move.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Cool vid about Dawson

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Herein lies the problem, as the Steelers have shown us multiple times before. They have always said that they draft BPA at every pick, but what they don't really explain is that their definition of BPA is WAY different than the actual normal definition of BPA. They weigh "need" so heavily into their BPA definition that it "makes" them fall in love with a not so BPA guy, when they shouldn't.

Them "loving" a guy ends up not so good for the team usually. It's either by over drafting by rounds, or by giving up WAY TOO MUCH to go up and get him is what has happened more often than not.

Willis won't be there at 20, and, like I said, their "love" for him is going to cost this team WAY to much -- by sheer number of draft picks (and screwing up '23 and/or '24 draft picks) to get him or by reaching for a 2nd to 3rd round talent at pick 20.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Herein lies the problem, as the Steelers have shown us multiple times before. They have always said that they draft BPA at every pick, but what they don't really explain is that their definition of BPA is WAY different than the actual normal definition of BPA. They weigh "need" so heavily into their BPA definition that it "makes" them fall in love with a not so BPA guy, when they shouldn't.

Them "loving" a guy ends up not so good for the team usually. It's either by over drafting by rounds, or by giving up WAY TOO MUCH to go up and get him is what has happened more often than not.

Willis won't be there at 20, and, like I said, their "love" for him is going to cost this team WAY to much -- by sheer number of draft picks (and screwing up '23 and/or '24 draft picks) to get him or by reaching for a 2nd to 3rd round talent at pick 20.

It's like when my wife and I bought our first house. We tried to do a whole quantitative model on the most important factors, weighted, blah blah blah.

But it really just came down to the house(s) that we fell in love with, then we fudged the weightings on the quantitative model thereafter.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Herein lies the problem, as the Steelers have shown us multiple times before. They have always said that they draft BPA at every pick, but what they don't really explain is that their definition of BPA is WAY different than the actual normal definition of BPA. They weigh "need" so heavily into their BPA definition that it "makes" them fall in love with a not so BPA guy, when they shouldn't.

Them "loving" a guy ends up not so good for the team usually. It's either by over drafting by rounds, or by giving up WAY TOO MUCH to go up and get him is what has happened more often than not.

Willis won't be there at 20, and, like I said, their "love" for him is going to cost this team WAY to much -- by sheer number of draft picks (and screwing up '23 and/or '24 draft picks) to get him or by reaching for a 2nd to 3rd round talent at pick 20.

They are not trading up Colbert already shot it down. Tomlin shot it down the only way they take Willis is if he is available at 20.

 

[DanielPlainview]

I wish I had the confidence in this FO to believe they're playing some 4D chess by getting the league and media to hype up Willis so that Pickett or Corral falls to them

 

[ChaosAgent]

I wish I had the confidence in this FO to believe they're playing some 4D chess by getting the league and media to hype up Willis so that Pickett or Corral falls to them

I wish I had the confidence in the FO for them to not blow anything on a QB.

 

[DanielPlainview]

My hope is a stud like Chris Olave falls to 20 so they have no choice

 

[OnMyOwn]

His stock has been soaring, wouldn’t shock me to see him gone in the top 10. There are tons of quality receivers though. This is the year to draft them for sure.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I wish I had the confidence in this FO to believe they're playing some 4D chess by getting the league and media to hype up Willis so that Pickett or Corral falls to them

Lol Pickett isn’t an upgrade over Mitch and isn’t getting past Carolina. The Giants and lions are desperately hoping someone trades up for Willis. Seattle is going to wait on baker and take best OT or CB in round 1. I still wonder if Washington let’s Corral get past them.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

My hope is a stud like Chris Olave falls to 20 so they have no choice

He is WR 2 on most experts boards he isn’t getting out of the top 15. If Atlanta doesn’t go WIllis think he is going to Atlanta

 

[xlm34]

According to the internet, there are about 35 players that have no shot at being around when the Steelers pick.

 

[Night Shift]

Gotta pump up that minority hiring

He wasn't a good coach his first time around but he now has an opportunity to learn from his mistakes and can apply what he learned the first time into the next job. Thats how it goes. Thats how they better.

Unlike here where hiring clowns is allowed and keeping them for 50 years is encouraged no matter how bad they are or how many times they repeat the same mistakes over and over.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

He wasn't a good coach his first time around but he now has an opportunity to learn from his mistakes and can apply what he learned the first time into the next job. Thats how it goes. Thats how they better.

Unlike here where hiring clowns is allowed and keeping them for 50 years is encouraged no matter how bad they are or how many times they repeat the same mistakes over and over.

Vegas said there’s no difference between him and BA the odds of winning anything didn’t change. It jumped up dramatically when Brady came back. Brady and Leftwhich will run the offense and Todd will call the defense anything less than a nfc championship loss is a failure

 

[JTG]

This is a great draft to drop back. The 2nd round talent will be as good as the late 1st round talent. That being said, I think the Steelers pick someone at 20 that was ticketed for the top 10. This is a prime draft for a really good player to drop.

Pretty much any of the wideouts in round 1 would be a dream. I'm partial to the young man out of USC. I'd also like to see us take another TE like Trey McBride to pair with Freiermuth. Canada's offense in the past has played a lot of 2 TE sets.

I think Colbert's goal should be to make this fail-proof for Trubisky. Figure out of this dude can play QB. I think he can. I think he's more than a stopgap. Build the team so if he is a bum, we can cut him and throw another QB in a great situation like Ben was thrown into.

 

[MayorofWBS]

The Steeler are so, so going to reach big time on a QB. I've stopped looking at the mocks. This will be a throw away draft as they are setting it up for failure from the beginning. Its not an if....its just a matter of how brutally stupid they are going to be chasing one of these awful QB. I'm hoping the damage is only our 1st wasted.