OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Steelers need a new ball thrower for the handball game thingy

[MayorofWBS]

Like I said earlier, I was an intensive freak of the game in my youth and watched countless old games on VHS.

So I’m quite aware of what Lambert was like and he was an undersized, slow LB. He just had great instincts for the game ala Zach Thomas.

No QB in the modern era would be scared of him. Lambert wouldn’t be catching Vick, Jackson etc when todays modern freak athletes can’t/couldn’t.

It’s just silliness pretending guys back then were so much tougher and more manly men than the guys today.

Good luck telling Debo he’s not as intimidating as Jack Lambert was.

That’s Boomer thinking like my daughter loves to say .

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This is like saying why are we awarding MOH awards still to Civil War soldiers. They didn't have to face machine guns, missiles, drones, etc. They were sissy.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

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This is like saying why are we awarding MOH awards still to Civil War soldiers. They didn't have to face machine guns, missiles, drones, etc. They were sissy.

I don’t think anyone ever questioned the courage of Civil War soldiers, so don’t quite get the comparison.

Also, the conversation never questioned the toughness of the players in Tarkenton’s era so the comparison still doesn’t make sense - it was the opposite - the suggestion that modern running QBs had it easier than FT.

The entire point is that Vick, Cunningham, Jackson etc don’t/didn’t put on helmets every Sunday because they had/have a cowardly nature.

Lambert and his ilk would scare them no more than an LT, Debo, Ray Lewis, Ronnie Lott, Reggie White, Chuck Cecil, JJ Watt, etc

 

[DanielPlainview]

This is a great draft to drop back. The 2nd round talent will be as good as the late 1st round talent. That being said, I think the Steelers pick someone at 20 that was ticketed for the top 10. This is a prime draft for a really good player to drop.

Pretty much any of the wideouts in round 1 would be a dream. I'm partial to the young man out of USC. I'd also like to see us take another TE like Trey McBride to pair with Freiermuth. Canada's offense in the past has played a lot of 2 TE sets.

I think Colbert's goal should be to make this fail-proof for Trubisky. Figure out of this dude can play QB. I think he can. I think he's more than a stopgap. Build the team so if he is a bum, we can cut him and throw another QB in a great situation like Ben was thrown into.

Jeremy Ruckert from Ohio State is a good option for TE. Would probably be a 2nd round pick most years but his stock as dropped because of injury keeping him out of the combine and OSU’s pro day. Could be worth a 3rd or 4th round pick

 

[The Old Master]

I don’t think anyone ever questioned the courage of Civil War soldiers, so don’t quite get the comparison.

Also, the conversation never questioned the toughness of the players in Tarkenton’s era so the comparison still doesn’t make sense - it was the opposite - the suggestion that modern running QBs had it easier than FT.

The entire point is that Vick, Cunningham, Jackson etc don’t/didn’t put on helmets every Sunday because they had/have a cowardly nature.

Lambert and his ilk would scare them no more than an LT, Debo, Ray Lewis, Ronnie Lott, Reggie White, Chuck Cecil, JJ Watt, etc

i apologies for starting this....... but what i was alluding to was not about fear but injuries. and how that would change a lot of the stats that they now have.

 

[T1K]

The entire point is that Vick, Cunningham, Jackson etc don’t/didn’t put on helmets every Sunday because they had/have a cowardly nature.

What are you talking about? Cowardly nature?

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

What are you talking about? Cowardly nature?

I’m talking about the obvious fact that these guys wouldn’t put on helmets every Sunday if they were scared.

Doesn’t matter if it is Lambert or Lewis staring back at them, they would just do what they do.

This shouldn’t be that difficult for people to grasp.

i apologies for starting this....... but what i was alluding to was not about fear but injuries. and how that would change a lot of the stats that they now have.

Vick blew out his knee and Jackson was hurt down the stretch last season.

No matter what era, these guys are taking vicious blows. About the only difference is the slide rule, but running QBs like Vick, Cunningham, Stewart, Jackson etc rarely did/do that.

 

[T1K]

I’m talking about the obvious fact that these guys wouldn’t put on helmets every Sunday if they were scared.

Doesn’t matter if it is Lambert or Lewis staring back at them, they would just do what they do.

This shouldn’t be that difficult for people to grasp.


Vick blew out his knee and Jackson was hurt down the stretch last season.

No matter what era, these guys are taking vicious blows. About the only difference is the slide rule, but running QBs like Vick, Cunningham, Stewart, Jackson etc rarely did/do that.

What do you mean difficult to grasp? You called them cowardly in your other post.

Lamar’s injury last year was on a passing play where he was trying to escape the pocket to extend the play. It had nothing to do with sliding. He got carted off the field, he’s not a coward for missing games because of that.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

What do you mean difficult to grasp? You called them cowardly in your other post.

Lamar’s injury last year was on a passing play where he was trying to escape the pocket to extend the play. It had nothing to do with sliding. He got carted off the field, he’s not a coward for missing games because of that.

Reading comprehension goes a long way in life.

 

[T1K]

Reading comprehension goes a long way in life.

Bro, what? You said this:

“The entire point is that Vick, Cunningham, Jackson etc don’t/didn’t put on helmets every Sunday because they had/have a cowardly nature.”

You followed it up talking about their injuries, I read that as you were implying the QBs of the old days would play through injuries that these modern QBs sit out for. No need for the snarky reply, but I know that’s tough for you.

 

[OnMyOwn]

That’s not at all what he said, haha.

He’s saying if they were cowards they wouldn’t be putting helmets on every Sunday. He’s not calling them cowards, it’s the opposite…jesus.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Bro, what? You said this:

“The entire point is that Vick, Cunningham, Jackson etc don’t/didn’t put on helmets every Sunday because they had/have a cowardly nature.”

You followed it up talking about their injuries, I read that as you were implying the QBs of the old days would play through injuries that these modern QBs sit out for. No need for the snarky reply, but I know that’s tough for you.

So basically like I said, reading comprehension goes a long way in life.

Some call that ‘snarky’. Others, like me for example, would call that common sense.

To each their own.

 

[Night Shift]

What do you mean difficult to grasp? You called them cowardly in your other post.

Lamar’s injury last year was on a passing play where he was trying to escape the pocket to extend the play. It had nothing to do with sliding. He got carted off the field, he’s not a coward for missing games because of that.

I read this sometimes for the Lulz.

 

[Night Shift]

So basically like I said, reading comprehension goes a long way in life.

Some call that ‘snarky’. Others, like me for example, would call that common sense.

To each their own.

Reading comprehension may not be the issue here: These people want (quick) to find any reason to use the racism card to take your words out of context.

I got called racist by some 2 years ago for calling Clown a bad coach. Where are we today? Uhh.. He's still a bad coach and I'm still saying it. Not a peep by the accusers 2 years later.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Reading comprehension may not be the issue here: These people want (quick) to find any reason to use the racism card to take your words out of context.

I got called racist by some 2 years ago for calling Clown a bad coach. Where are we today? He's still a bad coach and I'm still saying it. Not a peep by the accusers 2 years later.

I’m 99% sure it’s a reading comprehension issue based on the uh… explanation of what I “wrote”.

 

[xlm34]

Reading comprehension may not be the issue here: These people want (quick) to find any reason to use the racism card to take your words out of context.

I got called racist by some 2 years ago for calling Clown a bad coach. Where are we today? Uhh.. He's still a bad coach and I'm still saying it. Not a peep by the accusers 2 years later.

No one but you brought race into the equation here. Get out of here with that BS.

 

[Night Shift]

I’m 99% sure it’s a reading comprehension issue based on the uh… explanation of what I “wrote”.

Fair enough, but you never know.

 

[Night Shift]

No one but you brought race into the equation here. Get out of here with that BS.

Oh no

Call the internet police.

Edit: Or how about shut up Karen?

 

[Night Shift]

No one but you brought race into the equation here. Get out of here with that BS.

Oh and btw Karen, neither did I 2 years ago.

 

[xlm34]

Oh and btw Karen, neither did I 2 years ago.

Lmao got me. It’s cute that you were thinking about me for an hour though.

 

[Night Shift]

Lmao got me. It’s cute that you were thinking about me for an hour though.

I credit your sense of humor since a lot of people lack that and are that uptight these days. So I'd shake your hand on that

 

[JTG]

Jeremy Ruckert from Ohio State is a good option for TE. Would probably be a 2nd round pick most years but his stock as dropped because of injury keeping him out of the combine and OSU’s pro day. Could be worth a 3rd or 4th round pick

That is the one aspect of Canada's offense I can get behind. Multiple TE sets with two TE's that can block and receive brings an element of surprise.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

I’m talking about the obvious fact that these guys wouldn’t put on helmets every Sunday if they were scared.

Doesn’t matter if it is Lambert or Lewis staring back at them, they would just do what they do.

This shouldn’t be that difficult for people to grasp.


Vick blew out his knee and Jackson was hurt down the stretch last season.

No matter what era, these guys are taking vicious blows. About the only difference is the slide rule, but running QBs like Vick, Cunningham, Stewart, Jackson etc rarely did/do that.

I think thats mostly right but one thing thats considerable different is what defensive players used to be allowed to do.

They can still get smoked today but they cant get clotheslined, picked up and slammed on thier upper back/neck/head, hit below the knee, full body weight on sacks etc.

Just merely a safer experience albeit still extremely dangerous and violent.

Running QB still wear out pretty quick, i think that would happen even faster in times of yore or at least it would hurt enough to limit running unless they had to not because they want to.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Jeremy Ruckert from Ohio State is a good option for TE. Would probably be a 2nd round pick most years but his stock as dropped because of injury keeping him out of the combine and OSU’s pro day. Could be worth a 3rd or 4th round pick

IF you're picking a TE that high he better be Gronk or Jerramy Stevens, etc.

We have a TE in Muth. Another TE is a luxury, not a need. This team has many NEEDS this draft

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Agreed. That is too high for a TE with this teams needs. Plus Zach Gentry is progressing along nicely, I could see him making a big jump this year since this will be his second full time season.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I think thats mostly right but one thing thats considerable different is what defensive players used to be allowed to do.

They can still get smoked today but they cant get clotheslined, picked up and slammed on thier upper back/neck/head, hit below the knee, full body weight on sacks etc.

Just merely a safer experience albeit still extremely dangerous and violent.

Running QB still wear out pretty quick, i think that would happen even faster in times of yore or at least it would hurt enough to limit running unless they had to not because they want to.

You can’t Turkey Jones QBs anymore, but that wasn’t exactly happening routinely either back then.

As I touched on, Jackson is the only QB in this discussion who has played his whole career under the new rules.

Cunningham, Vick, Stewart etc had guys going at their knees and heads their entire careers - and it was perfectly legal.

All this has really gotten away from my initial point though.

Running QBs like Willis with accuracy/progression issues have historically struggled in the playoffs and not a single one has ever made it to a SB.

Jackson is just the latest example.

Steelers need their next franchise guy to be able beat teams with his arm as well as his legs - and that guy is not Willis.