OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Steelers need a new ball thrower for the handball game thingy

[WheresRamziAbid]

You can’t Turkey Jones QBs anymore, but that wasn’t exactly happening routinely either back then.

As I touched on, Jackson is the only QB in this discussion who has played his whole career under the new rules.

Cunningham, Vick, Stewart etc had guys going at their knees and heads their entire careers - and it was perfectly legal.

All this has really gotten away from my initial point though.

Running QBs like Willis with accuracy/progression issues have historically struggled in the playoffs and not a single one has ever made it to a SB.

Jackson is just the latest example.

Steelers need their next franchise guy to be able beat teams with his arm as well as his legs - and that guy is not Willis.

Agreed.

Accuracy is king.

Chad Pennington has had more playoff success than Lamar Jackson. Crazy as that sounds.

And dead arm statue husked corpse of Peyton Manning won a SB.

Accuracy is king.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Agreed.

Accuracy is king.

Chad Pennington has had more playoff success than Lamar Jackson. Crazy as that sounds.

And dead arm statue husked corpse of Peyton Manning won a SB.

Accuracy is king.

Manning and Brady run like Mr Potato Head, but they have 9 SB wins in this era of the freak athlete.

Maybe a little cherry picking I suppose, but we have zero examples of running QBs ever winning anything.

Stewart was actually the most successful
when I think about it, as he appeared in two championship games - then shit the bed in a colossal way in both.

Six picks and one TD…. Mercy Mercy Me.

 

[DanielPlainview]

IF you're picking a TE that high he better be Gronk or Jerramy Stevens, etc.

We have a TE in Muth. Another TE is a luxury, not a need. This team has many NEEDS this draft

I don’t really agree. When you can grab great value like that you should do it. Gentry is fine but he’s not as good as Ruckert can be.

Also have to remember the 4th rounder is basically a 5th in the overall pick slots. You’re not likely to get a better player at a different position. If he’s there it would be dumb to pass him up.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Manning and Brady run like Mr Potato Head, but they have 9 SB wins in this era of the freak athlete.

Maybe a little cherry picking I suppose, but we have zero examples of running QBs ever winning anything.

Stewart was actually the most successful
when I think about it, as he appeared in two championship games - then shit the bed in a colossal way in both.

Six picks and one TD…. Mercy Mercy Me.

And a couple of fumbles...

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Yeah I was actually a big Kordell fan but in those games the moment appeared to be too big for him.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Saints big trade sure smells like QB hunting to me after “losing” out on Watson:

Eagles, Saints shake up first round with trade

The Eagles have agreed to trade two of their 2022 first-round picks (No. 16 and No. 19) to the Saints for New Orleans' 2022 first-round pick (No. 18) and a 2023 first-round pick.

www.espn.com

 

[xlm34]

Saints big trade sure smells like QB hunting to me after “losing” out on Watson:

Eagles, Saints shake up first round with trade

The Eagles have agreed to trade two of their 2022 first-round picks (No. 16 and No. 19) to the Saints for New Orleans' 2022 first-round pick (No. 18) and a 2023 first-round pick.

www.espn.com

A lot of people are speculating that they want to go WR/OL in the first and they made this move to be able to bring in cheap talent to manage their cap situation. If they wanted to trade up with the Giants or something to get their choice of QB, I feel like they could have just done so for basically this exact trade. Rumors are they’re interested in a 2023 first to have ammo for next year’s QB class.

It’s kind of a weird move to make the month before the draft if they really are planning to stay put with those picks though.

 

[Durden Tyler]

A lot of people are speculating that they want to go WR/OL in the first and they made this move to be able to bring in cheap talent to manage their cap situation. If they wanted to trade up with the Giants or something to get their choice of QB, I feel like they could have just done so for basically this exact trade. Rumors are they’re interested in a 2023 first to have ammo for next year’s QB class.

It’s kind of a weird move to make the month before the draft if they really are planning to stay put with those picks though.

Exactly, you can talk and have this deal in place, but to pull the trigger without knowing who's on board is a step price to pay.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

A lot of people are speculating that they want to go WR/OL in the first and they made this move to be able to bring in cheap talent to manage their cap situation. If they wanted to trade up with the Giants or something to get their choice of QB, I feel like they could have just done so for basically this exact trade. Rumors are they’re interested in a 2023 first to have ammo for next year’s QB class.

It’s kind of a weird move to make the month before the draft if they really are planning to stay put with those picks though.

I think they acquired the extra first to move up if their desired QB falls to a certain spot.

I suspect they will see what Carolina does, and if their guy is still there, make their move.

My other guess is since they were way over the cap, they just want an extra first to nab some cost controlled talent.

 

[JTG]

Saints big trade sure smells like QB hunting to me after “losing” out on Watson:

Eagles, Saints shake up first round with trade

The Eagles have agreed to trade two of their 2022 first-round picks (No. 16 and No. 19) to the Saints for New Orleans' 2022 first-round pick (No. 18) and a 2023 first-round pick.

www.espn.com

I'd do this if I were the Steelers. Play with GB, KC, or Det. Sell next year's 1st to get back into the 1st or 2nd this year.

 

[DanielPlainview]

I'd rather wait till next year to make those sorts of moves. The top 2 or 3 QBs will probably be better than anyone this year.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I'd rather wait till next year to make those sorts of moves. The top 2 or 3 QBs will probably be better than anyone this year.

Everyone talking about best year’s QB class and yeah Young and Stroud are better right now than this years class but after that? Seems like a lots of potential to Spencer Rattler (although I suppose he could reverse course this season). Plus those two will go early. Is the assumption that teams with QBs already will have high picks and trade out? How will these teams (Eagles, Saints, Steelers) get a pick that high?

 

[Peat]

Everyone talking about best year’s QB class and yeah Young and Stroud are better right now than this years class but after that? Seems like a lots of potential to Spencer Rattler (although I suppose he could reverse course this season). Plus those two will go early. Is the assumption that teams with QBs already will have high picks and trade out? How will these teams (Eagles, Saints, Steelers) get a pick that high?

I'm just spitballing going by previous drafts, but assuming we finish in a place where we got 20th pick again, getting to the top 10 or just outside by trading up seems plausible.

Getting into the top 3, the top 6, where you figure those players will be taken seems to take a pick around 10-12... seems to be about a 7-9 record to get 12OA back in 16 game seasons, Minnesota went 8-9 to get that last season. All of the Eagles/Saints/Steelers are a lost game or two extra away from that.

I can easily see why a cusp team that doesn't love this year's QBs thinks they might end up around 12th and able to move up if they amass enough draft capital. Main threat to this idea seems to be the number of teams picking high who look like they'll pick high again next year and will run out of patience with their QB situations if they do and see high end prospects sitting there.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I'm just spitballing going by previous drafts, but assuming we finish in a place where we got 20th pick again, getting to the top 10 or just outside by trading up seems plausible.

Getting into the top 3, the top 6, where you figure those players will be taken seems to take a pick around 10-12... seems to be about a 7-9 record to get 12OA back in 16 game seasons, Minnesota went 8-9 to get that last season. All of the Eagles/Saints/Steelers are a lost game or two extra away from that.

I can easily see why a cusp team that doesn't love this year's QBs thinks they might end up around 12th and able to move up if they amass enough draft capital. Main threat to this idea seems to be the number of teams picking high who look like they'll pick high again next year and will run out of patience with their QB situations if they do and see high end prospects sitting there.

This will be a constant and revolving issue with the Steelers and basically a “told you so” lesson about why wanting them to win those last couple games has really come back to bite them in the ass.

Waiting for next year will turn into a cliche as well.

This time last year all the talk was about 2022 being a strong class with Howell and Rattler leading the charge.

Now those guys will likely be second day picks.

Worst thing that could happen now is Tomlin gives up the farm and grabs Willis. That move I’m certain will set this franchise back to the mid 80s or worse.

I despise Tomlin, but I’m going to keep telling myself he’s not that stupid…

 

[Peat]

This will be a constant and revolving issue with the Steelers and basically a “told you so” lesson about why wanting them to win those last couple games has really come back to bite them in the ass.

Waiting for next year will turn into a cliche as well.

This time last year all the talk was about 2022 being a strong class with Howell and Rattler leading the charge.

Now those guys will likely be second day picks.

Worst thing that could happen now is Tomlin gives up the farm and grabs Willis. That move I’m certain will set this franchise back to the mid 80s or worse.

I despise Tomlin, but I’m going to keep telling myself he’s not that stupid…

I suppose on the bright side winning those last couple games make it that bit harder/less likely for Tomlin to press for giving up a bunch to trade up and get Willis?

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I suppose on the bright side winning those last couple games make it that bit harder/less likely for Tomlin to press for giving up a bunch to trade up and get Willis?

Not if he covets Willis as much as the rumors… just means it will be extremely costly compared to the 11-14th spot where they would have been.

He will likely have to get ahead of Seattle and that is going to be expensive as hell sitting at 20.

There is zero doubt in my mind they want a QB in this draft given their itinerary this spring.

I’m just hoping this is Tomlin using slight of hand and his guy is someone like Corral.

Not sure how I feel about Corral, but I think he will be there at 20 and be a better pro than Willis.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I suppose on the bright side winning those last couple games make it that bit harder/less likely for Tomlin to press for giving up a bunch to trade up and get Willis?

Good thing Colbert is on record saying he would constantly guard against a panic move to trade up for a QB

Colbert: 'I Will Constantly Try To Guard Against' A Panic Move To Trade Up For QB

While the Pittsburgh Steelers are not diametrically opposed to such a bold gesture as trading up in the first round, or indeed even trading a first-round pick altogether—they did both over the course of the 2019 calendar year—it is not something they ever want to get into the habit of doing. The...

steelersdepot.com

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Not if he covets Willis as much as the rumors… just means it will be extremely costly compared to the 11-14th spot where they would have been.

He will likely have to get ahead of Seattle and that is going to be expensive as hell sitting at 20.

There is zero doubt in my mind they want a QB in this draft given their itinerary this spring.

I’m just hoping this is Tomlin using slight of hand and his guy is someone like Corral.

Not sure how I feel about Corral, but I think he will be there at 20 and be a better pro than Willis.

I don’t think Seattle is taking Willis they need a LT badly and can take Howell in round 2or get baker once he is cut. If they still had pick 10 they gave to the jets sure they would take Willis.

 

[Peat]

Good thing Colbert is on record saying he would constantly guard against a panic move to trade up for a QB

Colbert: 'I Will Constantly Try To Guard Against' A Panic Move To Trade Up For QB

While the Pittsburgh Steelers are not diametrically opposed to such a bold gesture as trading up in the first round, or indeed even trading a first-round pick altogether—they did both over the course of the 2019 calendar year—it is not something they ever want to get into the habit of doing. The...

steelersdepot.com

Hardly a categoric no way though, even if I were to absolutely believe in GMs of any nature. Only thing to do is wait and see at this point.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

There is zero doubt in my mind they want a QB in this draft given their itinerary this spring.

I don't see that at all. For the first time in forever they are in need of a QB and they are doing their due diligence. It's what they should be doing, if they do or do not choose a QB.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Hardly a categoric no way though, even if I were to absolutely believe in GMs of any nature. Only thing to do is wait and see at this point.

Add the history of 2 trade ups in 22 years bush and Troy the fact that Tomlin has stated he doesn’t believe Willis will make it to 20 it’s safe to rule out a trade up. They don’t have the extra capital they had when they got bush and aren’t getting comp picks next year unless hunt khan get hired to gm elsewhere.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I don't see that at all. For the first time in forever they are in need of a QB and they are doing their due diligence. It's what they should be doing, if they do or do not choose a QB.

Steelers generally telegraph their intentions with Tomlin/Colbert’s spring itinerary and it’s heavily slanted towards a QB this year.

That doesn’t mean their guy will be in their range/affordable to move up.

The only thing in doubt for me is if Willis is really the guy they want.

I don’t think Seattle is taking Willis they need a LT badly and can take Howell in round 2or get baker once he is cut. If they still had pick 10 they gave to the jets sure they would take Willis.

If Willis is there he has a high probability of going to Seattle, but it really matters more about if Tomlin truly covets the guy enough to mortgage the future and what he believes Seattle will do… not what Seattle ends up doing.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Steelers generally telegraph their intentions with Tomlin/Colbert’s spring itinerary and it’s heavily slanted towards a QB this year.

That doesn’t mean their guy will be in their range/affordable to move up.

The only thing in doubt for me is if Willis is really the guy they want.



If Willis is there he has a high probability of going to Seattle, but it really matters more about if Tomlin truly covets the guy enough to mortgage the future and what he believes Seattle will do… not what Seattle ends up doing.

So like he loved fields so much they didn’t trade up from for him. This is the same guy who has won games with whoever is at QB. He knows that Mitch and Mason is enough to get to the playoffs.
They have a big decision to make on DJ so they aren’t going to trade up for a guy whose further away than Lance was from starting when they need 2 WR this draft a S and 3rd olb plus a d line player and a cb

 

[Rave7215]

Add the history of 2 trade ups in 22 years bush and Troy the fact that Tomlin has stated he doesn’t believe Willis will make it to 20 it’s safe to rule out a trade up. They don’t have the extra capital they had when they got bush and aren’t getting comp picks next year unless hunt khan get hired to gm elsewhere.

3. Steelers traded up for Santonio Holmes

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

So like he loved fields so much they didn’t trade up from for him. This is the same guy who has won games with whoever is at QB. He knows that Mitch and Mason is enough to get to the playoffs.
They have a big decision to make on DJ so they aren’t going to trade up for a guy whose further away than Lance was from starting when they need 2 WR this draft a S and 3rd olb plus a d line player and a cb

Your point makes zero sense.

He wasn’t going to trade up 15 slots for a QB when he had Roth, desperately needed a RB, and had delusions of a Super Bowl.

I severely doubt Tomlin sees MT as anything but a stop gap.

His actions/words in the off-season tell us he covets a new franchise QB. Which is a positive, but there is a ton of smoke around how badly he wants Willis.

So he’s either being sly as a fox, or well…